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phideaux
11-02-2010, 04:14 PM
Is the Unrigged Silver Market Set To Explode?

Justice Litle, Editorial Director, Taipan Publishing Group
Monday, 01 November 2010

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http://www.taipanpublishinggroup.com/images/web/Taipan_Daily/100x100/silver.jpgAt long last, a light of truth is shining into the dark corners of the silver market. The results could be explosive.


"The silver market is an inside job."

I'd been hearing that accusation for over ten years -- since my days as a commodity broker in the late 1990s. It was widely believed that the silver market (http://www.taipanpublishinggroup.com/tpg/taipan-daily/taipan-daily-110110/Print.html#) (trading for less than $5 per ounce at the time) was rigged.

It's been a long time coming. But last week, the accusers finally got some satisfaction. As the WSJ reports,

A Commodity Futures Trading Commission regulator is putting pressure on the agency to take action in a high-profile, two-year-old investigation of the silver market.
At a CFTC hearing Tuesday to consider new rules to strengthen its commodity-enforcement powers, commissioner Bart Chilton said market players have made "repeated" and "fraudulent efforts to persuade and deviously control" silver prices.
Mr. Chilton said he believed there have been violations of CFTC rules that should be prosecuted, though he couldn't publicly disclose trader names...

And then came the lawsuits. Quick on the heels of the CFTC news, J.P. Morgan and HSBC were sued for silver manipulation in a New York court of law. (J.P. Morgan is the megabank that swallowed Bear Stearns. HSBC is a behemoth with British Empire roots dating back to 1865.)



The Morgan / HSBC suit alleges that:

...between in or about March 2008 and continuing through the present, Defendants have combined, conspired and agreed to restrain trade in, fix, and manipulate prices of silver futures and options contracts... Also during the Class Period, individual Defendants have intentionally acted to manipulate prices of COMEX silver futures and options contracts...

The two banks are accused of reaping hundreds of millions to billions in illegal profits, by way of bearish collusion that represented as much as 85% of all net short positions in the silver market.

Because the suit seeks class action status -- and because the CFTC commissioner (http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/76116/20101026/cftc-commissioner-chilton-sees-manipulation-in-silver-markets.htm) has openly acknowledged shady dealings -- it is unknown how much legal risk this poses to Morgan and HSBC.
But putting that aside, the truly interesting question is this. If the manipulators have been holding silver down all this time, what happens next?
Curious Strength


http://www.taipanpublishinggroup.com/images/web/taipandaily/charts/td-110110-chart.jpg

The silver to gold price ratio is a simple way to measure which
metal is outperforming.

For much of 2010, silver had been either treading water (relative to gold) or lagging behind a bit. But then suddenly, as you can see from the chart above, the silver market just got up and went...
As the plaintiffs in the Morgan / HSBC lawsuit wryly suggest, this shift in tone might -- just might! -- have something to do with the silver manipulators deciding to lay low, thanks to an uncomfortable spotlight being shone upon them.

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Other Reasons to Like the Poor Man's Gold

If the crimes of the manipulators are anywhere near what they are made out to be -- if only a fraction of the accusations are true -- then the silver market could arguably be considered one of the greatest "short squeeze" candidates in the history of markets.
As Daniel Drew liked to say (before Commodore Vanderbilt made him eat his own words): "He who sells what isn't his'n / Must buy it back or go to pris'n." If things get truly nutty as the flushed-out banks are forced to cover, there is no telling how high silver could go.


And in addition to the manipulator exposure angle, there is the little manner of China -- the third largest silver producer (http://www.marketwatch.com/story/golden-share-acquires-a-high-grade-gold-and-silver-past-producer-in-red-lake-camp-ontario-canada-2010-10-28?reflink=MW_news_stmp) in the world after Peru and Mexico. As Bloomberg reports,

Silver exports from China, the world's largest, may drop about 40 percent this year as domestic demand from industry and investors climbs, according to Beijing Antaike Information Development Co.
"There is huge demand in China this year and that has affected exports, which were already hurt after the tax rebate was abolished," said Ng Cheng Thye, head of bullion at Standard Bank Asia. "The demand is coming from all areas, including jewelry, investment and fabrication and this has resulted in a physical market shortage in the Far East."

And then, of course, there are the dollar-destroying actions of the "bearded clam," aka Ben S. Bernanke, Chairman of the Federal Reserve.

If the Fed's first "QE" installment (surely you know those initials by now) is deemed a disappointment this week, precious metals could take a hit. But if Ben delivers, or if conviction rises of a likelihood for QE episodes 3 and 4 and 5, the n watch out.

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andretti
11-02-2010, 05:19 PM
Why is the verticalaxis on the graph an order of magnitude too high? The Silver/Gold ratio is actually about .0183 not .183

Gcubed
11-02-2010, 05:46 PM
Why is the verticalaxis on the graph an order of magnitude too high? The Silver/Gold ratio is actually about .0183 not .183

Share prices and not price per ounce. A GLD share represents approximately 1/10th ounce vs. 1 ounce per SLV share.

phideaux
11-03-2010, 10:33 PM
Not exactly an explosion, but silver just hit $25.20. :RockOn:

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andial
11-03-2010, 10:41 PM
Next stop? 30 dollar SAE's. Oh by the way GSR is now under 54.

Shortstack
11-03-2010, 11:18 PM
Next stop? 30 dollar SAE's. Oh by the way GSR is now under 54.

I hear you on the ratio. But I am looking at the magnitude of the price swings. We are seeing one dollar swings on some days. And 50 cent swings (by swings I mean from high to low) are almost a daily occurrence. Days when the silver price is rangebound by 10 or 20 cents seem like a distant memory now. My physical position increases (or looses) over $100 for every penny of price delta, so every day lately has been fun. The kitco charts are now in 20 cent increments (see above), which is stunning to me now, considering that two months ago, the vertical axis was a penny or two

Jim Sinclairs last kingworld interview touched on this. Jim said to look for the signal of one dollar a day moves. When this happens he said, you know we are getting close to blastoff.

To me, the massive price swings mean only one thing. We are approaching the point where the "train leaves the station". Which sucks a little for me because I sold about 400 silver eagles at 21 per coin a few weeks ago to finance some home improvements. I figured I would buy a mister box of 2011's to replace the coins. I am down 8 bucks a coin if I replace at these prices. And this small missing part of my stash is acting like a bit of a buzzkill in an otherwise fantastic run up. Where the heck is the $19.50 cent pullback Strawboss promised us seriously, this is a very exiting time for anyone with a physical position. I have only owned physical since Feb 2008, so I can't imagine how exited and vindicated the people are who have $5 dollar siver. Good for them, good for me, good for all of us here at GIM

ccjoe
11-04-2010, 08:06 AM
I hear ya.
How stupid was I yesterday?
I was ON THE PHONE with my merc broker in Chicago with si @ 24. The low had been 23.94. My Physical Therapist came to the door at that moment and I was going to place the order @ 24 where the price was. We agreed to place a futures contract @ 23.96 as the price HAD to come down .04 cents. I also had my finger on the trigger with 2 monster boxes of 2008 ASE'S APMEX @ 2.99 over spot.
Needless to say the price NEVER came down and I woke up this morning NOT making the 4K-5K I could have made.
FRUSTRATING as hell.

ccjoe
11-04-2010, 08:08 AM
Maybe si will come back down to 24 and Short and I and others will have learned our lesson and WILL be happy to buy @24!

Professur
11-04-2010, 09:02 AM
*boom*



that is all

ccjoe
11-04-2010, 12:26 PM
Just shorted si on a dec futures @25.66.
See if I'm parlaying my stupidity?
I do have a stop @ 25.86 so it's only around a 200 buck gamble.
With the dollar creeping back up and si up 7% in 24 hours, I THINK a pullback is due right NOW???

DrillAndFill
11-04-2010, 01:15 PM
I can arrange a drop this afternoon: If I buy a few ounces of gold or platinum, prices should drop 8% by next week.

Anyone need a dip?

KGMe
11-04-2010, 01:18 PM
I can arrange a drop this afternoon: If I buy a few ounces of gold or platinum, prices should drop 8% by next week.

Anyone need a dip?

Yes please!!!
:D

Professur
11-04-2010, 01:22 PM
Anyone looking for a dip would be well advised to look into yesterday ... I hear it was a good vintage.

dosman
11-04-2010, 01:32 PM
OMG. This is sick!!!!!!!!!

budfox
11-04-2010, 01:35 PM
My last purchase was good for an 80 cent drop in silver. I'm pissed, been sitting on my hands with the paralysis of analysis the last couple days....:withstupid:

TylerDurden
11-04-2010, 01:45 PM
Next stop? 30 dollar SAE's. Oh by the way GSR is now under 54.

Didn't you predict 50 by Thanksgiving? Looks like you may be right. :thumbs_up:

Argent Dragon
11-04-2010, 02:21 PM
Up $1.13 today in SILVER.............let's just say I'm actually AWAKE today ~ no naps for me !

ttazzman
11-04-2010, 03:11 PM
ccjoe........im with you it seems overblown right now........im guessing you got stopped out?

wjv
11-04-2010, 03:27 PM
Is the Unrigged Silver Market Set To Explode?

I think the detonator has just ignited. . . Explosion will begin momentarily. . .

ccjoe
11-04-2010, 03:32 PM
Incredible how I lost 200 bucks in a 11 minute trade:(
BUT my physical is up 11K in 24 hours.
I suck at trading as I'm always right but USUALLY wrong in the minute by minute timing.
I just couldn't believe there would not be a pullback!
I have NO idea NOW what to do.
Short sugar? Long si?
Anyone know where to go in si?
I am so pissed I didn't pull the trigger @ 24 yesterday. I just plain choked like missing a short putt in a golf tourner.
My son is even pissed at me and he's only 15.
I just really want ONE MORE PULLBACK to 24, buy two more mboxes and THEN finally enjoy the show.

ttazzman
11-04-2010, 05:40 PM
ccjoe i resemble your remarks in reguard to oil trading .........i feel your pain...............i got a kick out of the putting remark ...nothing worse than being the anchor man in a 4man scrambles with a 6' putt that 3 have missed just in front of you :)

anywoundedduck
11-04-2010, 05:55 PM
Incredible how I lost 200 bucks in a 11 minute trade:(
BUT my physical is up 11K in 24 hours.
I suck at trading as I'm always right but USUALLY wrong in the minute by minute timing.
I just couldn't believe there would not be a pullback!
I have NO idea NOW what to do.
Short sugar? Long si?
Anyone know where to go in si?
I am so pissed I didn't pull the trigger @ 24 yesterday. I just plain choked like missing a short putt in a golf tourner.
My son is even pissed at me and he's only 15.
I just really want ONE MORE PULLBACK to 24, buy two more mboxes and THEN finally enjoy the show.

Unfortunately, conventional wisdom is that the Massive Manipulative Short position on the COMEX is underwater and JPM is bleeding to death. If they could have stopped it today, they would have saved a huge margin call. They have no way out, but to cover their short position, which is forcing the price up, which in turn causes them more margin calls. It is a vicious circle for them, and they should have seen it coming, because they were warned enough. Their only way out is to, once and for all, cover their short position. No need to wait for the CFTC to make a ruling on the imbalance of short and long contracts. The longs are demanding delivery. So, it is not likely that there will be much of a pull back. On the other hand, there should be plenty of upside. Average in, little by little. If there is a pullback, take full advantage of it. That is my story, and I am sticking to it. But you know what they say about opinions.
AWD

Zed
11-04-2010, 05:58 PM
Unfortunately, conventional wisdom is that the Massive Manipulative Short position on the COMEX is underwater and JPM is bleeding to death. If they could have stopped it today, they would have saved a huge margin call. They have no way out, but to cover their short position, which is forcing the price up, which in turn causes them more margin calls. It is a vicious circle for them, and they should have seen it coming, because they were warned enough. Their only way out is to, once and for all, cover their short position. No need to wait for the CFTC to make a ruling on the imbalance of short and long contracts. The longs are demanding delivery. So, it is not likely that there will be much of a pull back. On the other hand, there should be plenty of upside. Average in, little by little. If there is a pullback, take full advantage of it.
AWD

Why? Would they not have offsetting options positions that would leave them flat at worst and with a profit at best. I would if I where them... stocks, options etc... whatever I could hedge with.

Gcubed
11-04-2010, 06:09 PM
Why? Would they not have offsetting options positions that would leave them flat at worst and with a profit at best. I would if I where them... stocks, options etc... whatever I could hedge with.

There ya go again. Messin with a damn fine fairy tale!! Why??? :biggrin:

Zed
11-04-2010, 06:17 PM
Sorry... I am an asshole, I can't help it, sociopaths do this sort of crap. I will go take my pills now.

Shortstack
11-04-2010, 06:26 PM
Why? Would they not have offsetting options positions that would leave them flat at worst and with a profit at best. I would if I where them... stocks, options etc... whatever I could hedge with.

They have hedged their short on the COMEX with long options on the LBMA. Yes, this is a hedge, but when the short side is on the main price discovery mechanism (the comex), than what their short did was hold the price of AG down. Which was fine for them, because they were accumulating mining shares a deep discounts over the past two years.

But now, it's works in reverse. Their short will be magnifying the gain on physical AG, as they cover (their short). This huge increase in futures prices will translate into a huge increase in physical prices, will push the mining shares way up relative to the increase in physical AG, but only for the short term. So as they unwind their hedge on the LBMA and cover their short on the comex, they also sell their miners at the inflated prices, all due to the sudden uptick in the futures price. Remember, they knew about the futures increase in advance because they are the one's causing it, due to their short covering.

These guys will do very well I suspect...

:s10::s10::s10::s10:

andial
11-04-2010, 07:24 PM
I am down 8 bucks a coin if I replace at these prices. And this small missing part of my stash is acting like a bit of a buzzkill in an otherwise fantastic run up.

Shortstack I have my own little buzzkill going on with this HUGE rally! Liquidated all of my Gold stocks around three weeks ago (thought the metals were going to drop some more) and never bought back in yet. Talk about leaving money on the table.:shot:

ccjoe
11-04-2010, 08:02 PM
Sorry gang, but I do NOT believe there won't be a dip.
I just went short again @ 26.22 with a .30 stop this time instead of .20 so the risk is 300.
It went up to 26.39 so I was sweating it BUT with the unemployment figures due out tomorrow, the extreme overbought condition, and MOST importantly the "ether has worn off" effect, tomorrow should be a dollar or more down.

AgAuGal
11-04-2010, 08:12 PM
don't feel bad I sold 100oz Ag on Monday and told everyone at GIM that now it will rocket, why can't I get it in the right order ....

4dabopper
11-04-2010, 08:17 PM
""don't feel bad I sold 100oz Ag on Monday and told everyone at GIM that now it will rocket, why can't I get it in the right order""

I have never bought and never NOT had it fallen after............









Quit freaking, I haven't bought any recently.....LOL:biggrin: