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phideaux
12-27-2010, 09:06 AM
Is China Behind the Big Silver Short?

By Golden Economizer (Seeking Alpha)

It is well known that the Chinese have been accumulating gold for at least a decade, and presumably silver as well, gold primarily for its monetary value, and silver for both its monetary and industrial value. In April of 2009, the Chinese Central Bank announced that it had secretly acquired 454 tons of gold bullion (http://www.marketskeptics.com/2009/04/china-increasing-gold-reserves.html) over the previous six years, supposedly all from Chinese domestic production, increasing their total stock from 600 metric tons to 1054 metric tons, and making them the fifth largest holder of gold bullion in the world. Quoting Dow Jones Newswire, April 24, 2009:

The new figure leaves China as the fifth biggest holder of gold after the U.S, Germany, France and Italy. Including Switzerland's 1,040 tons, six countries and the IMF now have gold holdings of more than 1,000 tons.
I find these numbers most curious and suspicious. The reputed 454 tons that the Chinese central bank claims to have acquired between 2003 and mid 2009 is just enough to put the Chinese ahead of the Swiss, (1054 tons to 1040 tons) making China the world’s fifth largest holder of gold bullion by just 14 tons. I would wager they have a lot more gold stockpiled than that.

This also begs several other questions: Why would the Chinese make this announcement at that particular point in time if their aim was secrecy in gold accumulation? If they admitted publically to holding 1054 tons, how much more do they really have? Was this alleged 454 tons all actually acquired from domestic sources or were they also buying through straw buyers on the Hong Kong exchange? And if they are secretly accumulating gold, are they also accumulating silver on the sly?

Since China has been continually accumulating dollars for years as the unintended consequence of its large continual trade deficit with the US, they are always looking for new outlets to unload or invest them other than buying more US Treasuries and Agencies, with which they are already overloaded.

Using their excess dollar reserves to stockpile strategic, monetary, and industrial commodities as a hedge against dollar inflation is clearly a wise strategy, even before the advent of QE1 and QE2. We can already see the effects of this stockpiling on commodity prices, most notably copper and rare earths, which are at record levels. The Chinese have also offered to bail out failing European economies with their excess dollars, among them Greece and Portugal.

As reported by Bloomberg on October 19, 2010 (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-10-19/silver-shipments-from-china-biggest-exporter-may-slump-by-40-this-year.html), Chinese silver exports declined 60% in the first eight months of this year. There could be several reasons for this: increased investment demand by the Chinese public, hoarding for industrial use by Chinese businesses, and accumulation by the Chinese Central Bank. China is now the world’s third largest silver miner after Mexico and Peru, and the world’s largest refiner of silver. There have been rumors that Chinese silver exports may be reduced to zero in 2011. Although they are now the world’s biggest gold producer, China exports no gold, and increased their gold imports by nearly 500% in the first ten months of 2010, according to Bloomberg (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-12-02/china-gold-imports-jump-almost-fivefold-as-inflation-outlook-spurs-demand.html).

Silver is a crucial material input for many high tech goods produced in China, and the Chinese government economists are surely wise enough to see that it will continue to get scarcer and more expensive in the coming years. They will be needing a ready supply of silver to dominate the world market in flat panel TV's, cell phones, computers, hybrid car batteries, solar collectors, and many more products too numerous to mention.

The respected silver authority, Ted Butler, speculates in his recent December 21<SUP>st</SUP> article (http://www.investmentrarities.com/ted_butler_comentary12-21-10.shtml), “A Show Stopper,” that the Chinese are behind the big concentrated short position in COMEX silver, which is currently about 300 million ounces among the eight largest commercial traders (and 500 million ounces total). The biggest single short position in COMEX silver in 2010, presumably held by JP Morgan (JPM (http://seekingalpha.com/symbol/jpm)), has been as high as 35% to 40% of total short interest according to CFTC commissioner Bart Chilton. This is a staggering concentration, obviously intended to suppress the price of silver, and has gone on continuously for several years at similar levels.

Butler goes on to say “that would not appear to make sense” and “It will go down as the single dumbest trade in history.” But I believe that Butler has underestimated the Chinese.


What if the Chinese were going long buying silver on the COMEX and taking delivery, draining silver inventories, while simultaneously shorting silver on the COMEX and settling those contracts in cash or rolling them forward?

Even if they took a loss on all their shorts, they would still be steadily accumulating physical metal, and the net result would be that they would be steadily and covertly acquiring physical silver at a higher than market price, but still keeping the market price suppressed to their own industrial producers, while at the same time propping up the weak currencies of the world’s buyers of Chinese exports in developed countries.

Only about 2% of COMEX silver contracts are actually settled by physical delivery, and the rest are settled for cash or rolled over. All the Chinese would have to do is take delivery on a greater quantity of physical metal from their longs than was demanded to close out their short positions, and they would be constantly accumulating physical silver without ever spiking the COMEX silver price.

Ted Butler also says in his article that he was “rocked” to discover at the recent December CFTC hearing on silver position limits that the CME/COMEX, not the CFTC, has, up until now been making all the decisions on whether short positions in excess of the current very high position limits on the COMEX qualified for the exemption as true production hedges. Basically, the COMEX has been self regulating, a clear conflict of interest. This apparently will be changing soon.

It has been suggested that the Chinese could simply use their massive buying power to go long COMEX silver and accumulate all they want by spiking the price (cornering the market), shutting out most other buyers. They certainly have sufficient dollar reserves to do this, but this would drive up the price of silver to Chinese domestic industry as well, thus raising the price of Chinese exports and cutting profits of Chinese producers and exporters.

Also, if the Chinese were to drive up the price of silver by directly buying large quantities on world markets, they would crash the dollar, the euro, etc, reducing their own exports in the process.

So far, the US government and their pawn, the CFTC, have been happy to look the other way on these manipulative, concentrated silver positions since they prop up the dollar and prevent the price of silver going to the stratosphere, but have completely neglected the consequences: a worldwide silver shortage, and allowing the Chinese to dominate the future market in high tech goods. So don’t be expecting anything substantive to come out of next month’s CFTC hearings as far as putting into place a realistic, enforceable limit on concentrated silver positions.
What does this mean for silver investors?

Get yourself some physical silver and take possession if you want any certainty of cashing in before the paper silver derivatives become worthless.


If the Chinese are playing both the long and short sides of COMEX futures as I theorize, then it explains:

Why the massive silver price suppression scheme has been able to go on for years
Where the rapidly vanishing silver inventory is going
Who is taking the big losses on the short side if not JP Morgan and the bullion shorting banks
How much higher the true unmanipulated price of silver should be compared to the current market price
Decades of market manipulation has made silver the most underpriced commodity in history. Be thankful that you have realized this in time to capitalize. Looks like China very well could be the Big Silver Short, and I suspect they’re not as dumb as Ted Butler thinks.

http://seekingalpha.com/article/243617-is-china-behind-the-big-silver-short?source=email_watchlist

Curtman
12-27-2010, 09:14 AM
This discussion is going on here somewhere already. I was hoping it would run a little longer.

phideaux
12-27-2010, 09:16 AM
This discussion is going on here somewhere already. I was hoping it would run a little longer.

Yeah, I had a look around, but didn't see a thread on it.

Curtman
12-27-2010, 09:21 AM
Yeah, I had a look around, but didn't see a thread on it.

I would like to see it hashed out. I think I have concluded it is not them but there is a good chance it could be. This is where we left off I think but it would be nice to get more input under the proper title here.

http://goldismoney2.com/showthread.php?12238-The-historic-CFTC-meeting-December-16th......&p=128012#post128012

jogslvr
12-27-2010, 10:13 AM
I tend to think that with china being the new industrial power with a heavy need for silver, it would be in their best interests to hold silver down. In other words, they can profit more from products relying on silver than rising bullion price, itself. ie, solar panels and electronics. They are the world leaders in flat screens and solar panels to name a couple. They will be soon be the world's leading auto manufacturer and they have a great need for water purification technology which also relies on silver.

jogslvr
12-27-2010, 10:39 AM
PLUS, haven't the little boogers been hoarding silver since the very early colonial trading days? Hence the creation of US and British silver trade dollars that were the only currency they would accept. They've never trusted our or anyone else's fiat currency. Vewwy smart, grasshoppah.

gold miser
12-27-2010, 11:07 AM
The chinese are slicker than cat crap,they have the power and the means to hold prices right where they want it. not only the industrial use but also hedging against inflation that is bitting them on the buttocks. I believe they raised intrest rates another 20 or so points.

phideaux
12-27-2010, 11:10 AM
China was on a silver standard for centuries, until 1934 when FDR put the squeeze on the silver mining industry.

Good read here:

Hard Lessons from China's Silver Standard
http://english.caijing.com.cn/2009-07-14/110197448.html

GOLD DUCK
12-27-2010, 11:32 AM
QWAK,The way I see it China is being very wise about dealing with the FED and western finance and economics which THEY realise to be a scam and hoax BUT it is the ONLY game in town! :idea:

They can quietly spend useless global reserve curency and YES buy up physical GOLD and SILVER and other commodities for a long time and have been BUT the END GAME is wining the RIGED GAME that the RIGERS believe they can't lose! :alberteinstein::23_30_104:

I am inclined to believe that at some point SOON China will either pull out the PROPS and colaps the market and the US DOLLAR and the EURO too -- leaving CHINA as the ultimit SURVIVOR of the CURENCY WAR and perhaps even a SHORT HOT real WAR to SEAL the ISSUE!:alberteinstein: :ahhhhh: :vollkommenauf:

OR

China can DEFAULT on SILVER and pay in $$$ a little at a time or all at once the result is the same CHINA wins the GAME! :alberteinstein::realmad:

It is also a CLUB over the heads of any BANKERS or there corupt GOVERNMENTS who try to resist!:ahhhhh::vollkommenauf:

Heads China WINS -- TAILS we LOSE -- BUT the truth be told -- the BANKERS robed us ALL long ago and we just did not NOTICE! :realmad::thumpdown:

the DUCK :2:

phideaux
12-27-2010, 11:40 AM
Good points, Professor Qwaker.

I'll just add that the entire global stockpile of above-ground silver at the LBMA, Comex, etc, is tiny, worth roughly FR$20 billion.

China could buy the entire global stockpile and not bat an eyelash.

Haole
12-27-2010, 11:58 AM
Could China be the one entity to bring down the global monetary system Ã* la the 1981 movie Rollover?

As Hume Cronyn said, the system is fine as long as nobody panics... I'm sure any "panic", trigger, or any other forces will be well planned and executed at any rate.

GOLD DUCK
12-27-2010, 12:05 PM
Good points, Professor Qwaker.

I'll just add that the entire global stockpile of above-ground stock of silver at the LBMA, Comex, etc, is tiny, worth roughly FR$20 billion.

China could buy the entire world stockpile and not bat an eyelash.

QWAK,phideaux,Your words are TRUE -- Grass Hopper:wink: -- but China is NOT about to KILL the "GOLDEN GOOSE" as long as it keeps laying EGGS! :idea::alberteinstein::23_30_104: When it stops then they will EAT the GOOSE and CATS and DOGS too -- and any thing else they CAN -- as FOOD! :ahhhhh::vollkommenauf:

To the ones in power WE are ALL just "TUNA with LEGS" :idea:

The TRICK is being SMART enough to AVOID or at least percieve the NET and NOT get CANED! :ahhhhh::vollkommenauf:

GOLD and SILVER in your posesion sets you FREE and keeps it that way! :23_30_104::banana:

the DUCK :2: