ATB 'P' Mint Mark Coin Thread

[SongSungAU]

Went out on the Mint's site contemplating on purchasing the 5 oz Gettysburg and could not find it listed. Have I missed the boat on this coin? Been out of town and just thought of it tonight.

Try this link:
http://catalog.usmint.gov/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CategoryDisplay?langId=-1&storeId=10001&catalogId=10001&identifier=8305

[Deweydog]

Same here, too hard to resist at a mere 47 dollars per Oz delivered. Especially when AG will be $60 to $70 an Oz by year end...

Hi Shortstack.....27 days till Dec 1....silver, to make 57.50, will need the muther of ALL RALLIES......
Rest assured, your wagered 2011 proof silver eagle will get a very nice home...:flute:

[Shiny]

I ordered Gettysburg puck a few weeks ago. Received everything else on that order a few days afterward.

I ordered the Glacier ATB P puck with my 5 ASE 25th anny sets (12:23 on 27th).

Have received Glacier puck already - the ASE sets still giving the 2 week offset date

Gettysburg is on a 1 day offset now for about 2 weeks - so yesterday (3rd) I was shown status of available for shipping on 11/4.

Odd that there is some holdup on Gettysburg while Glacier was sent out right away.

Oh well - I have a few years to make the set complete...
:cool:

[Oldmansmith]

Ordered Glacier a few days after the 25th set.

Been getting this, and got the latest on Monday:

Order #: 3844xxxx
Sold To : SMITH, (old man)
Ship To : SMITH, (old man)
Item: NP7 Qty: 1 Exp Ship: 11/29/11
2011 ATB SILVER COIN - GLACIER


So I'm thinking wtf?

The UPS guy dropped it off today, overnight air again.



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[HistoryStudent]

You are really getting the MRS. OMS conned you are... :hahaha:

~ HS

[HistoryStudent]

These will turn out the MOST

under-rated

under-valued

unbelievable-value

of all the mint products for 2011.


http://www.silvercoinstoday.com/america-the-beautiful-5-ounce-silver-coin-sales-update/105189/

CRAP-POLA the UNCs 2010s are real deals but these and the stupid MINT are screaming deals. (check out the mintage's versus
any other silver coin the MINT has made in the last 40 years!)

Who in the HELL would make 43 MILLION ASE bullion coins when the ENTIRE USA obummer country only produces 38 MILLION?

Against the congressional law SO they HAVE to steal 5 million from the dumb Mexicans for FIAT?

JUST

Wait four or five years and silver is between $300 to $500 an ounce, sadly I see things about five years in
advance. Like the WEEPING Prophet Jeremiah - who saw Israel going down the drain of History before
they were conquered by the Babylonians about 2,600 years ago.

These are the NEW UHRs for the CHEAP CROWD check out MCM today.

Buy the JORDAN book and and see...


JUST

Call them silver 5 oz. SILVER spouses IN spades - the CHEAP SEATS!

I wonder when the US Mint will throw in the towel and RENEGE
on the UNC's and even the bullion PUCKERS. They are way past their LIMITS!

[TheMadHatter]

Anybobody got a link to complete mintages?

[birddog]

Anybobody got a link to complete mintages?

Did you check out the link in the post before yours?

[TheMadHatter]

Did you check out the link in the post before yours?

Hehehehehehehehe

[pay dirt]

If a person could buy these at 2 or 3 over spot for the 2011 bullion version is it worth the investment? New to these as did not jump on the hype for the 2010 ones.

Looks like the 2011 have a lot higher mintage for the bullion 126500, so possible they will not have collector value.

[HistoryStudent]

Jesse Livermore's paraphrased success rules:

Look over the entire field

Do the research and study necessary

BE RIGHT!


Take a huge to comfortable position

(the hardest thing is!)

SIT DAMN TIGHT!


********************************************

The Field:

I like the idea of the national Parks - see Ken Burns DVD and book. In five oz. US mint coins they "ARE the FIELD!"


Research and study:

There are way too many coins coming out and the sheeple don't have the FRNs and the terrible
way the GOVY handled the 2010 set(s) turned off the HYPE.

The ASE is already exceeding the USA silver production in millions of ounces. The mint will not put out articles
that do not sell. GUESSTIMATE: the silver supply mixed with bad sales (perhaps lots of melting like the
BY LAW come hell or high water gold spouses in 2007) the populations of US mint token/clad coins is crapping out; the US mint can crap out on
these in a heartbeat the gold spouses they can NOT.

SO:
I like them as a slabbed 5 oz. of product - especially if silver does what it should and follows gold when it goes over $10,000.00 = perhaps
at a 30 to 1 ratio. If they dump them and they already have those 10 issues to 15 issues - that's enough for COLLECTORS to rise
up in spades.

BE RIGHT:

Looks good to me the PUCKS (even the bullion SHINY ones to sell down the road slabbed).

Especially the "P" 2011 low mintage ones.


Sit damn tight:

For years


Best wishes,

~ HS


But really who knows the future. Study and figure it out for yourself -

YES
NO
MAYBE

[MrLucky]

How far the mighty have fallen ...... The ATB's are already yesterday's news.



The 2011 America the Beautiful Five Ounce Silver Uncirculated Coins™ – Olympic National Park is to be released today at noon 11/29/11.

The last post in this thread was 11/23. And there was no mention of it.....

[HistoryStudent]

How far the mighty have fallen ...... The ATB's are already yesterday's news.



The 2011 America the Beautiful Five Ounce Silver Uncirculated Coins™ – Olympic National Park is to be released today at noon 11/29/11.

The last post in this thread was 11/23. And there was no mention of it.....

So true.

However, on the other hand if you really want to take advantage then you have to look for something undervalued.

Not in intrinsic worth (undervalued for they sell at spot +) these are the ATB "P" set(s) = for they are almost equal to the silver value right now.


But if you can buy them for around spot slabbed that might be a great long term play.

When you can find something in numismatics slabbed that sells for intrinsic value and is under 20,000 units mixed with
being the largest coin ever made by the US mint - it will be embraced later - we have 200 years of history to prove it.


The stone(s) the builders rejected may become the capstones of your collection.

PS They are the right size too especially if silver runs up in this current bull market to :bird: $300 to $500 ish
as I expect over the next five years no matter what the current currency will be then.


Frankly I know that after a year a set even with a common Obs. or front can dive like the US Quarters of the states.
I wonder why the Mint started these with 33K bullion coins in December 2010 then flooded the market with 126 K bullion coins in 2011
which are now falling to below 30K.


Then on these specific P coins UNC from the US mint direct, they start with 27K for sell outs, and now then up the mintage to 35K
in 2011 only to sell less then 20,000 units. The bad publicity marked with high prices and mixed with overload in a silver
bull market and bad economy drove away the speculators. That's when, where, why, and how things get undervalued.

IMVHO. Besides they are authenticated in slabs for later.

[klichko]

So true.

However, on the other hand if you really want to take advantage then you have to look for something undervalued.

Not in intrinsic worth (undervalued for they sell at spot +) these are the ATB "P" set(s) = for they are almost equal to the silver value right now.


But if you can buy them for around spot slabbed that might be a great long term play.

When you can find something in numismatics slabbed that sells for intrinsic value and is under 20,000 units mixed with
being the largest coin ever made by the US mint - it will be embraced later - we have 200 years of history to prove it.


The stone(s) the builders rejected may become the capstones of your collection.

PS They are the right size too especially if silver runs up in this current bull market to :bird: $300 to $500 ish
as I expect over the next five years no matter what the current currency will be then.


Frankly I know that after a year a set even with a common Obs. or front can dive like the US Quarters of the states.
I wonder why the Mint started these with 33K bullion coins in December 2010 then flooded the market with 126 K bullion coins in 2011
which are now falling to below 30K.


Then on these specific P coins UNC from the US mint direct, they start with 27K for sell outs, and now then up the mintage to 35K
in 2011 only to sell less then 20,000 units. The bad publicity marked with high prices and mixed with overload in a silver
bull market and bad economy drove away the speculators. That's when, where, why, and how things get undervalued.

IMVHO. Besides they are authenticated in slabs for later.

Good stuff. We are on the same page here. I buy more ATBs than Eagles these days. Looking forward to November ATB sales update to possibly adjust my buying of "correct" coins.

[birddog]

I'm still buying one today.......

[Shortstack]

To celebrate my stunningly dismal PCGS grading results (7 out of 25 were MS70, with two MS68's), I purchased the new Olympic as well as an additional Glacier.

[HistoryStudent]

To celebrate my stunningly dismal PCGS grading results (7 out of 25 were MS70, with two MS68's), I purchased the new Olympic as well as an additional Glacier.

I saw that reported HEREIN.

Felt sorry for your feelings and expectations. Sadly, I've been there and felt that too.

To answer the above yours two posts...


Don't FORGET there is a big chance that these 5 oz pucks of all kinds may go south. BE DUMPED!

They have to make a profit on ANY US MINT coin - if they get under the MAGIC break even (about ballpark estimated)
10,000 units they go belly up like the PLATINUM fractionals, the UNC gold fractionals, etc. & etc.

The ONLY (and this should turn ON the WOW! KIABONGA! UNBELIEVEABLE! LIGHTS in your brain) ONES not under this
corporate profit thingie BY LAW is...

YOU GUESSED IT!


The Spouses gold ones! Hopefully you can find these at spot ish ASAP!
The are really weak priced now temporarily out of favor like the old saints.

This marketplace phenomena always happens. Then like :vroam: things change like last Sunday night's :bird: B.S. when the FED
and EC banksters dumped in way over a trillion cash. The power to print - never underestimate the power to print and sell (AKA manipulate)
what they HATE.


I suspect the pucks of both kinds will go south for even a simpler reason =


Supply and demand - silver supply and US other silver coin demand.


But that's just the FROSTING on the $300 silver OUNCE cake!:vroam: Jump aboard.

[pay dirt]

Past weekend ordered a raw puck with the price of Ag pretty low got it for 3 over spot. Figure the choice between eagles or a limited nice design its an easy one. It looks like the mint UNC coins are lower mintage than planned which IMO this is the time to pay attention when the crowds have left.

Remember back when could buy a Jackson or Van Buren Spouse less than an 1/2 eagle. This has that same feeling on these UNC ATB at the moment.

[ChoiceBU]

Not ruling out the ATB's by any means, just need to use common sense when buying these - I'll probably be in for the 2012 bullion coins, especially if mintages are low and can get them cheap, cheap, why not? At least the designs are interesting...

[badhop55]

I can see them terminating the "P" pucks first. Like UNC Eagles they do not HAVE to be produced. Reduce the ATB market saturation and this brings up an interesting thought. Perhaps only a 10 coin "P" version set. Hmmm.

[HistoryStudent]

I can see them terminating the "P" pucks first. Like UNC Eagles they do not HAVE to be produced. Reduce the ATB market saturation and this brings up an interesting thought. Perhaps only a 10 coin "P" version set. Hmmm.

I wonder too. Sometimes you just have to front run something - say a prayer -and go for it.

Especially right now at these close to spot prices on the UNCs.



IF they announce a termination AFTER more then a two year - ten coin set prices go...:vroam:

SO That would be big enough RIGHT NOW to collect.



YOU gotta be ahead of the herd.

Take a position.

These coins are very unusual too - being their size and PM silver value.

[badhop55]

So I jumped in and ordered the first 3 2011 P Pucks. Best case: they terminate the UNC versions as we talked about. Worst case: I have 25 more ounces (when the remaining 2 are picked up). Plus I've got 30 days for buyer's remorse to set in.

Based on what we know terminating these makes sense but, then again, we have to remember we're dealing with the United States of America freakin' Mint here so all bets are off.

I could always dump 3 10oz bars to ease the pain. Hmmm.

[TomD]

Based on the quarter proof set, I'd like to get a puck or two, starting with Vicksburg. Where's the best place to buy? If you can get these things for close to spot, I don't see a downside.

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x229/TomD77/DSC6301.jpg

[platinum]

would be good to get one just for fancy box:565:

[klichko]

Here is ATB P sales update from coinupdate.com (http://news.coinupdate.com/us-mint-sales-commemorative-coins-in-focus-1081/) as of November 29, 2011:



Product Sales Change
2010-P Hot Springs National Park 27,000* 0
2010-P Yellowstone National Park 27,000* 0
2010-P Yosemite National Park 27,000* 0
2010-P Grand Canyon National Park 26,019* 0
2010-P Mount Hood National Park 25,592 121
2011-P Gettysburg National Park 15,669 206
2011-P Glacier National Park 12,815 241

Products with sales followed by an asterisk (*) are no longer available from the United States Mint.


Sales are very, very slow. Mount Hood is still available and "Effective September 6, 2011 at 12:00 noon (ET), there are no household order limits for this product." Gettysburg had no limit since October 31. The change for the month of November is smallish.

Does anyone know if the Mint will be selling these until all are sold or there will be a deadline that will melt unsold ones?

[cpthnsolo]

Does anyone know if the Mint will be selling these until all are sold or there will be a deadline that will melt unsold ones?

Considering we were buying 2010 P pucks in 2011 I think it's safe to say they'll offer the 2011 P pucks through most, if not all of 2012. Given their current sales pace I see the ATB line coming to a close sometime in the next year (or maybe I'm dreaming :p). The mint has to make money on everything they sale and at the rate sales are declining it won't be long before we see a P puck struggling to make it to 10,000 sold within the first three months. At some point the mint is going to pull the plug on these as they're not mandated by congress.

I could be wrong and we could see a resurgence in collector interest and sales, but some of the major bullion dealers have stated they won't be buying new ATB bullion coins as they come out and collectors certainly seem to hate them these days. Therefore we should all be paying attention to the mint reports and buying one of each new one at this point ;).

[earplugs]

why is the olympic national park on backorder already? it just came out.

[Oldmansmith]

Based on the quarter proof set, I'd like to get a puck or two, starting with Vicksburg. Where's the best place to buy? If you can get these things for close to spot, I don't see a downside.

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x229/TomD77/DSC6301.jpg

I bought the last two from MCM; they have all kinds of caveats and they are not encapsulated, but mine arrived pretty much perfect.

[lightcycler]

Considering we were buying 2010 P pucks in 2011 I think it's safe to say they'll offer the 2011 P pucks through most, if not all of 2012. Given their current sales pace I see the ATB line coming to a close sometime in the next year (or maybe I'm dreaming :p). The mint has to make money on everything they sale and at the rate sales are declining it won't be long before we see a P puck struggling to make it to 10,000 sold within the first three months. At some point the mint is going to pull the plug on these as they're not mandated by congress.

I could be wrong and we could see a resurgence in collector interest and sales, but some of the major bullion dealers have stated they won't be buying new ATB bullion coins as they come out and collectors certainly seem to hate them these days. Therefore we should all be paying attention to the mint reports and buying one of each new one at this point ;).

Seems like a can't loose. They either fade away and get cancelled or the interest jumps up. Either way holding these is not a bad idea. I watched a pcgs 69dmpl 2011 bullion set close for under $1400. Amost jumped on it but spreading myself awful thin trying to buy up everything :)

[Milanion]

Considering we were buying 2010 P pucks in 2011 I think it's safe to say they'll offer the 2011 P pucks through most, if not all of 2012. Given their current sales pace I see the ATB line coming to a close sometime in the next year (or maybe I'm dreaming :p). The mint has to make money on everything they sale and at the rate sales are declining it won't be long before we see a P puck struggling to make it to 10,000 sold within the first three months. At some point the mint is going to pull the plug on these as they're not mandated by congress.

I could be wrong and we could see a resurgence in collector interest and sales, but some of the major bullion dealers have stated they won't be buying new ATB bullion coins as they come out and collectors certainly seem to hate them these days. Therefore we should all be paying attention to the mint reports and buying one of each new one at this point ;).

I disagree that the 2011 P will be available through most of 2012. The reason behind my thinking is this:


Travel back in time to late 2010. You work at the Mint, new product coming out and you don't know how many people are going to want this. You can't make any more after December 31st, 2010 so you start up the presses and make the maximum allowed since brand new products sell out and this is a new size and new product line. It has to sell!

Come back to the present. You work at the Mint, you look at the past year's sales numbers and know that if you do the same thing over again today, you may be sitting on them for years, pay for warehouse space and end up having to melt quite a few which will cost you more money. You say let's only produce 1/2 of the maximum allowed.


This is what I think happened with the MS Mary Todd Lincoln coin last year. I thought that with it being one of the more well-known spouses that they were going to produce the maximum allowed, but they didn't come close. I regret only getting the PF version at the time.