Feds want to know who is prepped: demand customer records from Mormon food cannery

[Aurumag]

Oath Keepers has learned that federal agents recently visited a Latter Day Saints (Mormon) Church food storage cannery in Tennessee, demanding customer lists, wanting to know the identity of Americans who are purchasing food storage from the Mormons.

This incident was confirmed, in person, by Oath Keepers Tennessee Chapter President, Rand Cardwell. Here is Rand’s report:

“A fellow veteran contacted me concerning a new and disturbing development. He had been utilizing a Mormon cannery near his home to purchase bulk food supplies. The man that manages the facility relayed to him that federal agents had visited the facility and demanded a list of individuals that had been purchasing bulk food. The manager informed the agents that the facility kept no such records and that all transactions were conducted on a cash-and-carry basis. The agents pressed for any record of personal checks, credit card transactions, etc., but the manager could provide no such record. The agents appeared to become very agitated and after several minutes of questioning finally left with no information. I contacted the manager and personally confirmed this information.

This event points to a new level of federal government encroachment on the basic freedoms of the American people. Likewise, it points to a confused policy within federal agencies. The Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), in their “Are You Ready?” guide to “In Depth Citizen Preparedness” recommends that citizens store emergency supplies, including bulk food, in the event of a natural disaster or man-made event (the new politically correct term applied to a terrorist attack). The FEMA guidance is spot-on as it allows individuals and families to be self-sufficient during an emergency situation.

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link to remainder of article from Oath Keepers website (http://oathkeepers.org/oath/2011/12/09/1oath-keepers-alert-federal-agents-demand-customer-lists-from-mormon-food-storage-facility/)

[Nickelless]

None. Of. Their. Freaking. Business.

[Avalon]

This is very disturbing... I'm checking with friends to see if this has happened at our local cannery..
Un-freakin believable..

[smilershouse]

None. Of. Their. Freaking. Business.

From our perspective, you are spot on Nickelless. However, from the Feds scheme of things, it IS their business. Why its their business, and how, is another question, and until that question has been rationally addressed, their action can only be deemed as yet another blatant abuse of the US sanctioned law.

Sad times indeed.

SH

[electric-amish]

How truthful is the source?

I doubt the Feds want to know who is buying food.

If on the other hand a collapse is emmenent (sp) then I will have been wrong.

My guess there is maybe a Tax issue or Money Laundrying question.

E-A

[techguy2]

Just find this story odd...

LDS canneries are not just cash and carry, they accept checks (have for years) and very recently started accepting credit cards, so to me the story is missing some details just on the face of it.

Second, most people would just say show me the warrant.... FUD maybe???

[917601]

Just find this story odd...

LDS canneries are not just cash and carry, they accept checks (have for years) and very recently started accepting credit cards, so to me the story is missing some details just on the face of it.

Second, most people would just say show me the warrant.... FUD maybe???

It would help credibility (not denying the report) if the "Federal Agents" were identified as what agency they were from.FEMA? FBI? DHS? Which branch of the DOJ were they from? EPA and USDA are federal agents also.

[AceNZ]

If you've stored more than 7 days worth of food, the gov thinks you might be a terrorist.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJAMXXbiskY

[Treasure Searcher]

If the Feds want to check records, how about doing an audit of Wall Street.

Nah, better to find out what is in people's pantrys. :banghead:

[Not Sure]

However, from the Feds scheme of things, it IS their business. Why its their business, and how, is another question, and until that question has been rationally addressed, their action can only be deemed as yet another blatant abuse of the US sanctioned law.

The Federal regime has no authority whatsoever to monitor the food people buy, consume, or store. None. Of course, they've assumed the power to do so, but that doesn't make it right or lawful.

[Not Sure]

How truthful is the source?

I doubt the Feds want to know who is buying food.

If on the other hand a collapse is emmenent (sp) then I will have been wrong.

My guess there is maybe a Tax issue or Money Laundrying question.

E-A

Why is it so difficult to accept that these SOBs would want to (start?) monitoring food storage purchases? Rand Paul already addressed the issue on the floor of the Senate recently (edit: I see someone has posted the speech here) - those with more than seven days of food in their home "might be a terrorist."

Oath Keepers isn't known to make sh*t up.

Control food and you control people. They're aiming to do what was done in Ukraine in the 1930s. I really don't understand why people don't "get" that we're dealing with monsters.

[Not Sure]

Just find this story odd...

LDS canneries are not just cash and carry, they accept checks (have for years) and very recently started accepting credit cards, so to me the story is missing some details just on the face of it.

Second, most people would just say show me the warrant.... FUD maybe???

The story didn't say they don't accept checks or credit cards, just that the manager could not provide data. That could easily be true, or, he was not "cooperating."

As for "show me the warrant," when it involves "terrorism," very few people stand on that principle. Just look at the mobs of fools going through airport PervaScans.

[Malus]

I really don't understand why people don't "get" that we're dealing with monsters.


They don't want to accept the reality facing them, they are afraid that the fairy tale is over..........

[Avalon]

I just emailed a friend who has strong cannery ties and he said it is true. When our group goes I have always paid in cash except on time but many do use checks... I suppose since the Mormons believe in storing a years food that puts them on the top of the terrorist list. Right along with all the groups they have extended their hospitality to by opening the canneries up.

[Goldhedge]

The strategy of using food as a weapon made another step in its transformation from the planning stage to reality.

World Population Control — U.S. Strategy and UN Policy Program

http://fathersforlife.org/health/population_control.htm

[smilershouse]

The strategy of using food as a weapon made another step in its transformation from the planning stage to reality.

World Population Control — U.S. Strategy and UN Policy Program

http://fathersforlife.org/health/population_control.htm

I agree and respect that link Goldhedge and for a number of valid points.

Angry Harry (linked at the bottom of that page) is a hero in the true sense of the word. And I would encourage other members,- both female and male, to have a read of his editorials.

Especially the likes of this one.
http://www.angryharry.com/esRantAgainsttheCSA.htm?note

It is with editors such as Harry, that exposes the hypocritical ideologies of the new world, and plants the blame fairly and squarely, on goob and its followers of masculine, hate-fuelled feminism.

Many of us here, have been dragged across its 'legal' coals, and crucified unjustly, and undeserving, simply because radical feminists hate anything that contributes and involves, respect and equality. It is called a healthy social order or a Constitution. The 1st target of the 4th wave feminists was a sneaky law that passed unmentioned. It was called the Family Law Act.

I remember this being passed in the late 70's, and heard my mother and father ridiculing the passing of that law. I recall my mother sardonically saying 'oh what a load of old rubbish, they can't interfere in families' But look what has happened? Now an array of further laws have been passed whereby, agencies are now employed to cater for this swelling industry. In fact, here in Au, just legal representation in the Family Law Courts net lawyers $5 billion per annum. And that is just the tip of the iceberg.

The real pain comes when the Judge (whom is highly influenced by feminist driven law, doctrine and its powerful lobby groups, rules that by no fault of a father, 100-70% of his child's custody arrangements are to be handed over to the mother.
For many innocent fathers, that hearing alone, will herald a beginning demise of his very life. The only people that will seek to contact him in relation to his anguish, will always be the feminists driven, incorporated CSA.

Who, in the 1970's would ever concede that the Family Law Act would be eventually hijacked with so much ideology and cruelty?

Not even my mother and father can understand how this has happened.

Cast your minds back and try and comprehend:

. Why the USA passed the Federal Law act?
. Allowed international bankers to control the nations money supply, unregulated?
. Why was the FBI and CIA created? (America had no enemies until becoming manipulated into global warfare.
. Other agencies. Homeland security. TSA. FDA. IRS. The board of racial relations and all the mentors that dept currently employs, again, directly linked to the court system.

It was only after learning from a couple of bridge protesters here in Au, that rather then allow the father his child's rights to visit him through a revision of the Family Law Act, the focus is now to build more homeless shelters, more prisons, and a lot more Mental health facilities, to cope with this continuing social fallout just from the Family Law Act.

The moral of this post, is directed toward those that ridicule and mock the very same powers that passed your discriminating Family Law Act, and thus implemented measures to keep their cronies in lucrative professions, has created an average 6 male suicides every day in Au, and not to mention all the other chauvinistic agencies, that have since popped up around those laws.

With centralised goobs anything illogical is possible.

SH

[Avalon]

some interesting info here....http://modernsurvivalonline.com/prepper-alert-federal-agents-demand-customer-lists-from-lds-cannery/

If this incident happened it seems it was centered more around emergency preparedness for the state. This confirms what we have all heard from other sources. If there is an emergency those who have stored supplies will find their goods public property.

[honu5050]

I agree and respect that link Goldhedge and for a number of valid points.

Angry Harry (linked at the bottom of that page) is a hero in the true sense of the word. And I would encourage other members,- both female and male, to have a read of his editorials.

Especially the likes of this one.
http://www.angryharry.com/esRantAgainsttheCSA.htm?note

It is with editors such as Harry, that exposes the hypocritical ideologies of the new world, and plants the blame fairly and squarely, on goob and its followers of masculine, hate-fuelled feminism.

Many of us here, have been dragged across its 'legal' coals, and crucified unjustly, and undeserving, simply because radical feminists hate anything that contributes and involves, respect and equality. It is called a healthy social order or a Constitution. The 1st target of the 4th wave feminists was a sneaky law that passed unmentioned. It was called the Family Law Act.

I remember this being passed in the late 70's, and heard my mother and father ridiculing the passing of that law. I recall my mother sardonically saying 'oh what a load of old rubbish, they can't interfere in families' But look what has happened? Now an array of further laws have been passed whereby, agencies are now employed to cater for this swelling industry. In fact, here in Au, just legal representation in the Family Law Courts net lawyers $5 billion per annum. And that is just the tip of the iceberg.

The real pain comes when the Judge (whom is highly influenced by feminist driven law, doctrine and its powerful lobby groups, rules that by no fault of a father, 100-70% of his child's custody arrangements are to be handed over to the mother.
For many innocent fathers, that hearing alone, will herald a beginning demise of his very life. The only people that will seek to contact him in relation to his anguish, will always be the feminists driven, incorporated CSA.

Who, in the 1970's would ever concede that the Family Law Act would be eventually hijacked with so much ideology and cruelty?

Not even my mother and father can understand how this has happened.

Cast your minds back and try and comprehend:

. Why the USA passed the Federal Law act?
. Allowed international bankers to control the nations money supply, unregulated?
. Why was the FBI and CIA created? (America had no enemies until becoming manipulated into global warfare.
. Other agencies. Homeland security. TSA. FDA. IRS. The board of racial relations and all the mentors that dept currently employs, again, directly linked to the court system.

It was only after learning from a couple of bridge protesters here in Au, that rather then allow the father his child's rights to visit him through a revision of the Family Law Act, the focus is now to build more homeless shelters, more prisons, and a lot more Mental health facilities, to cope with this continuing social fallout just from the Family Law Act.

The moral of this post, is directed toward those that ridicule and mock the very same powers that passed your discriminating Family Law Act, and thus implemented measures to keep their cronies in lucrative professions, has created an average 6 male suicides every day in Au, and not to mention all the other chauvinistic agencies, that have since popped up around those laws.

With centralised goobs anything illogical is possible.

SHthe usa is and has been slowly taken over 'JFK was the last one to fight . I dont know but very greedy people in our time hit JFK who was not perfect but on the side of the usa not commies . look towards east germanys STASI for some answers. then the weak politicans . the dual citizenship so called jews are (zionists) and america is sliping.. but hasent fallen . eliminate your rothchildes types asap "the greedy ones" and we have a shot at bringing things back. purge their propaganda machine . learn to think on your elders words not this new BS. use common sense think for yourselfs.

[goldie40]

It was a hoax, the Feds have more to do than worry about who is storing a few pounds of beans

[mtnclimberjim]

It was a hoax, the Feds have more to do than worry about who is storing a few pounds of beans

Do you just "feel" it's a hoax or do you have info backing up your feeling. From what I'm reading and hearing is that this seems to be a real concern of the fed. I am a member of Oath Keepers and we are a honorable group that will not lie, and will do our best to protect you.

[Nickelless]

some interesting info here....http://modernsurvivalonline.com/prepper-alert-federal-agents-demand-customer-lists-from-lds-cannery/

If this incident happened it seems it was centered more around emergency preparedness for the state. This confirms what we have all heard from other sources. If there is an emergency those who have stored supplies will find their goods public property.

What stored supplies?

[917601]

Do you just "feel" it's a hoax or do you have info backing up your feeling. From what I'm reading and hearing is that this seems to be a real concern of the fed. I am a member of Oath Keepers and we are a honorable group that will not lie, and will do our best to protect you.

My thanks to you for being apart of Oath Keepers, and mentioning it.It is comforting to know an organization such as Oath Keepers is amongst those called upon to serve.

[Avalon]

It was a hoax, the Feds have more to do than worry about who is storing a few pounds of beans

and the Police have bigger worries then busting kids lemonade stands..but they do

[Avalon]

Why is it so difficult to accept that these SOBs would want to (start?) monitoring food storage purchases? Rand Paul already addressed the issue on the floor of the Senate recently (edit: I see someone has posted the speech here) - those with more than seven days of food in their home "might be a terrorist."

Oath Keepers isn't known to make sh*t up.

Control food and you control people. They're aiming to do what was done in Ukraine in the 1930s. I really don't understand why people don't "get" that we're dealing with monsters.

the whole idea of the Feds making the Mormons mad is quite interesting.. The Mormons are a powerful and wealthy religion in this country. They are not pansies. At least the ones I have meet at the cannery. I suspect the majority would be quite willing to fight for their way of life.
They also do a tremendous amount of charitable work. They are almost obsessed with food and not seeing people hungry. Their church feeds so many people and they are very generous and open their canneries up to outsiders and even allow other churches to feed their hungry through their food bank. The idea of the Government mucking around with their evil intent with a group that is truly doing good is just wrong.

[goldie40]

and the Police have bigger worries then busting kids lemonade stands..but they do

right sometime the cops do shut down lemonade stands, but not on their own, it's usually some bubble headed elected official that give the order..



long as you believe everything else you read, ck this out..http://www.thesurvivalistblog.net/mormon-cannery-raid-tn-oathkeepers-fabrication/

[Unclad Lad]

Is the storage of food an implicit part of Mormonism? It seems to me it could be a First Amendment issue.

[Not Sure]

What stored supplies?

The ones they will find when they shoot you dead and barge in.

I wonder if some folks are going to rig "doomsday devices" to burn the structure down, maybe even with the thugs still inside, when the thugs raid to capture food storage?

[Not Sure]

Is the storage of food an implicit part of Mormonism? It seems to me it could be a First Amendment issue.

Yes, it is. Every LDS family is expected to engage in it to the best of their ability.

But the First Amendment is void where prohibited by "law."

[Sampson]

I have a lot of Mormans in my extended family and while i do not necessarily agree with many of their religious views they are some of the most giving, selfless, and helpfull people i know. The majority of them do have large food stores and without fail pride themselves in taking care of themselves, their families, and others who may need help. If this is real and they try to mess with Mormans food stores it is not a good sign and will not go over well.

[Book]

They also do a tremendous amount of charitable work.



Only for fellow Mormons.