Beating the coming VAT and inflated prices

[GOLDZILLA]

I was thinking about how I could beat the coming VAT, and determined that it would be the same way to fight inflating prices and avoiding taxes legally

Some of my solutions:

Buy 100 pairs of pants

10 pairs of boots in my size

2 or 3 cars of the same model make and year.

A couple mopeds of the same make and model

Stock up on any durable goods that you may need for the rest of your life so that you never have to buy them again, thus avoiding the VAT.

Any durable goods that you may be able to trade for non durable goods after the VAT is in effect.


Feel free to add more if you got em !

[SJS]

Yes, if you have stuff to trade, a decent sized barter system will be in place...

[jdmlist]

Would the VAT Tax apply to Used Goods.?

[Twisted Avatar]

Would the VAT Tax apply to Used Goods.?

Why yes .........Yes it will

Only if you are "wise" enough to open your piehole about your business transactions.


T

[Merlin]

If my understanding is correct, VAT is leveled on goods at each stage of their production, on the value added by that stage. Thus, one might tax cotton that is harvested, tax the production of cloth in a mill, tax the making of denim trousers or shirts, and tax the transporting of the goods to market. But the tax is imposed on the value added by each stage of production. Please tell me how VAT would be applied to used goods that have already been produced and sold, when there is no value added whatsoever. Someone from Europe could weigh in here with an informed answer. Kaiser, where are you?

[GOLDZILLA]

Yes, for used items they would have to come up with a value reduced tax.

[Nickelless]

I don't think Obama has political capital left to be able to shepherd a VAT through Congress this term, and assuming a GOP landslide in the fall, I think there'd be even less of a chance of this thing getting passed.

[lourdes]

In Europe -at least in my country- we have to pay VAT even on used items (cars, houses,... etc) and with the same % as on new items

[Nickelless]

In Europe -at least in my country- we have to pay VAT even on used items (cars, houses,... etc) and with the same % as on new items

What country are you in and what percentage of your gross income do you pay in some kind of taxes?

[lourdes]

What country are you in and what percentage of your gross income do you pay in some kind of taxes?

I'm in Spain. We have several types of VAT, but the general type is now at 16% (in July it will rise up to 18%). Apart from VAT, we pay "IRPF" or Income Tax: if you earn less than 17000 € you pay 24%, between 17000 and 33000 € you pay 28%, 37% between 33000 and 53000€ and 43% for more than 53000€. We also pay Social Security, Capital Gains Tax, Inheritance tax, Transfer tax,... and several Local Taxes (i.e., the yearly "Vehicle Tax" or the "Property tax") :vollkommenauf:

I think I spend more than 50% of my gross income on taxes :mad:

[Twisted Avatar]

I'm in Spain. We have several types of VAT, but the general type is now at 16% (in July it will rise up to 18%). Apart from VAT, we pay "IRPF" or Income Tax: if you earn less than 17000 € you pay 24%, between 17000 and 33000 € you pay 28%, 37% between 33000 and 53000€ and 43% for more than 53000€. We also pay Social Security, Capital Gains Tax, Inheritance tax, Transfer tax,... and several Local Taxes (i.e., the yearly "Vehicle Tax" or the "Property tax") :vollkommenauf:


Nice and confusing as your wallet ,productiveness and labor are being attacked from all sides



I think I spend more than 50% of my gross income on taxes :mad:


^^^ The end result they were after



T

[Nickelless]

Lourdes, does Spain allow citizens to own firearms or any other means to oppose tyranny?

[Twisted Avatar]

Lourdes, does Spain allow citizens to own firearms or any other means to oppose tyranny?

http://www.marbella-lawyers.com/questions/showQuestion/70-What-are-the-gun-laws-like-in-Spain-




Firearms laws in Spain are very restrictive. Perhaps not as restrictive as in other European countries but certainly in a different level than in the US. It is possible to obtain firearms licence for hunting (shotguns, rifles and assault rifle versions) without too many problems. Automatic weapons are strictly forbidden at to anyone not belonging to the military or police forces (they can own them privately).

With regards to hand guns, there is a possibility to obtain a licence and purchase but the applicant has to become member of the Spanish federation of olimpic shooting, and pass several tests. The gun cannot be carried around unless on the way to the shooting venue and by law they have to be kept in a safe. Some pressure has been put in the legislative body to pass a regulation to the effect that hand guns should be kept in the federation´s premises and only removed on the day of shooting. However, so far licenced handgun owners can keep them at home.

Some people, by virtue of their jobs, such as military, policemen, judges, politicians and so on are able to obtain a special licence to carry a handgun at all times. This is specially the case in areas like the Basque territory.

[lourdes]

http://www.marbella-lawyers.com/questions/showQuestion/70-What-are-the-gun-laws-like-in-Spain-

Firearms laws in Spain are very restrictive. Perhaps not as restrictive as in other European countries but certainly in a different level than in the US. It is possible to obtain firearms licence for hunting (shotguns, rifles and assault rifle versions) without too many problems. Automatic weapons are strictly forbidden at to anyone not belonging to the military or police forces (they can own them privately).

With regards to hand guns, there is a possibility to obtain a licence and purchase but the applicant has to become member of the Spanish federation of olimpic shooting, and pass several tests. The gun cannot be carried around unless on the way to the shooting venue and by law they have to be kept in a safe. Some pressure has been put in the legislative body to pass a regulation to the effect that hand guns should be kept in the federation´s premises and only removed on the day of shooting. However, so far licenced handgun owners can keep them at home.

Some people, by virtue of their jobs, such as military, policemen, judges, politicians and so on are able to obtain a special licence to carry a handgun at all times. This is specially the case in areas like the Basque territory.

That's quite right. The firearms licence for hunting is the less difficult one to obtain in Spain. You only have to pass an exam and a test (and of course pay the fees) and renew it from time to time. Of course this kind of license only applies to long firearms.

I'm not very fond of firearms, so I don't have any at the moment, but if I need it in the future I'd have several at my disposal (my mother is a big game hunter and owns lots of firearms and munition)

[Long John Silver]

Shiffy's thoughts


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4KfVM5Ed3c

[GOLDZILLA]

Been thinking it might be wiser to buy materials and make my own clothing because when TSHTF, I am bound to lose weight from having to do stuff the old fashioned way. and a hundred pairs of oversize pants would suck.

[Bug]

Have you considered how Obama's army of freshly employed home inspectors are going to react when they come in your house and see it filled with stuff? I'm sure there'll be something in their little red book about how you are a threat to the climate by being a fire hazard or something like that.

[Fatboy]

http://www.marbella-lawyers.com/questions/showQuestion/70-What-are-the-gun-laws-like-in-Spain-




Firearms laws in Spain are very restrictive. Some people, by virtue of their jobs, such as military, policemen, judges, politicians and so on are able to obtain a special licence to carry a handgun at all times.


WTF? Even in Spain. This is what pi##es me off, why can Politicians/Judges find that it is OK for themselves to own/carry and legislate away eveyone elses right?

[GoldWampum]

If my understanding is correct, VAT is leveled on goods at each stage of their production, on the value added by that stage. Thus, one might tax cotton that is harvested, tax the production of cloth in a mill, tax the making of denim trousers or shirts, and tax the transporting of the goods to market. But the tax is imposed on the value added by each stage of production. Please tell me how VAT would be applied to used goods that have already been produced and sold, when there is no value added whatsoever. Someone from Europe could weigh in here with an informed answer. Kaiser, where are you?

The value added would be the discount. Or care, or repair or etc. Do you really think they can't find a way to tax everything knowingly sold Merlin? The Euro style does no good, this one will have trick legislation that may not have been included by prior tax of this type. They learn from their mistakes.

[AMforPM]

Altering clothes that are too big is easier than making good clothing from scratch. I do have an excellent sewing machine in my long term preps, but I doubt we will use it much except for alterations and mending. It can sew thick strong fabrics and do lots of trick sewing that I also doubt we will get fancy enough to use, but putting a straight strong seam in denim is useful and it does require a good machine to do that.

Well, thimble and needle and a lot of skill can do it too. If there is electricity, I prefer the machine. So much faster, tidier, etc.

[Nickelless]

Have you considered how Obama's army of freshly employed home inspectors are going to react when they come in your house and see it filled with stuff? I'm sure there'll be something in their little red book about how you are a threat to the climate by being a fire hazard or something like that.

The home inspectors are part of the cap and trade bill, and cap and trade doesn't stand a snowball's chance at this point. It passed the House by, what, six votes? And even if Scott Brown is just a RINO, Obama doesn't have the political capital to ram this thing through the Senate even if his hell-care bill survives court challenges.

[GOLDZILLA]

The home inspectors are part of the cap and trade bill, and cap and trade doesn't stand a snowball's chance at this point. It passed the House by, what, six votes? And even if Scott Brown is just a RINO, Obama doesn't have the political capital to ram this thing through the Senate even if his hell-care bill survives court challenges.


The only way either of these things could survive court challenges would be if the judge was corrupt.

[Irons]

The only way either of these things could survive court challenges would be if the judge was corrupt.

That was redundant.

[GOLDZILLA]

4th Amendment to the United States Constitution

“The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized”

[HistoryStudent]

Sadly, when the country recently voted they started to overthrow the Bill of Rights because TPTB want America placed into the umbrella of the United nations and have the plans already set-up for that.

America was like the other countries of the world for the last 4,000 years I.E.:

First a kingdom or republic

then a so-called democracy

then the people who are in majority vote themselves a redistribute the wealth type program

the rich leave and so do the jobs (take a guess where that's happening?)

then chaos breaks out with a 20 to 30% V.A.T. and 50 to 75% taxes on income the society breaks down and a strong leader appears to really make it a mess

a dictator steps in I.E. Napoleon, Hitler, Housain ecetera...

[HistoryStudent]

:23_28_100s:V.A.T. should come in at an extra 15% over your current rate and should be added upon all things to really squeeze
the redistribution of wealth.

"The Problem with socialism is that sooner or later you run out of other peoples' money," Margaret Thatcher.

So guess who has to pay?

[Jeremiah_Wrong]

I'm forecasting deflation during the next 3-4 years and I think I can get my SHTF supplies at substantial discounts. Even with a VAT, I think things will be cheaper. But guns and ammo - I'm thinking it's smart to get them now.