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Scorpio
03-15-2012, 07:38 AM
Why Ron Paul May Cut a Deal With Mitt Romney

Time.comBy ALEX ALTMAN | Time.com – 2 hrs 12 mins ago

Republican presidential candidate Rep. Ron Paul, R-Texas, addresses the crowd during the North Dakota caucus Tuesday, March 6, 2012, in Fargo, N.D. (AP Photo/Charles Rex Arbogast)Enlarge Photo

Republican presidential candidate Rep. Ron Paul, R-Texas, addresses the crowd during …
Supporters of Republican presidential candidate and US Rep. Ron Paul attend a party in Springfield, Virginia in February 2012. Paul has failed to win any of some 20 states which have picked their 2012 election standard-bearer, but vows to keep up his quixotic quest for the White House. (AFP Photo/Alex Wong)

For Ron Paul, victory is finally in sight. No, not a swearing-in ceremony next January 20, or even a single statewide win. Halfway through the primary season, Paul has won only a preference poll in the U.S. Virgin Islands, and he is running dead last in delegates among the four GOP candidates for President. He has spent a lot, if not always wisely: the $31.55 he has dropped per vote (more than even Mitt Romney) is a sum that might shock even a Democrat.

But winning the presidency was never Paul's foremost goal, and as he nears the end of his last presidential crusade, he has one more chance to promote his ideas. The Republican race is a muddled mess. Even after his southern losses, only Romney has a real shot at amassing the 1,144 delegates required to wrap up the nomination, and he would then face the task of unifying the GOP's warring factions. Which is why Paul's campaign has sent discreet signals to Camp Romney that the keys to Paul's shop can be had for the right price.

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History suggests the two men are already in cahoots. Throughout the primary, Paul has been Romney's secret weapon. During the 20 GOP debates, Paul attacked Romney's rivals a total of 39 times while sparing Romney entirely, according to an analysis by the liberal group ThinkProgress. Paul leapt to Romney's defense when his tenure at Bain Capital and his taste for firing insurance companies came under attack, and skewered a series of Romney antagonists in TV ads. "He is our deputy campaign manager," jokes one Romney ally.

Paul's advisers bristle at suggestions that the libertarian icon is in league the GOP frontrunner. They say Paul still has a shot at the nomination if he can hold Romney beneath the delegate threshold until Tampa and then force a floor fight that sends delegates fleeing to Paul on a secondary ballot. This may be the company line, but the scenario is improbable enough that even Paul has conceded his "chances are slim."

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Even as they tamp down rumors of a pact, Paul's advisers concede that the friendship between Paul and Romney is the initial step toward a deal. And behind the scenes, discussions between the two campaigns -- as well as initial discussions with the Santorum and Gingrich camps, according to one Paul adviser -- are slowly taking shape.

An alliance could benefit both camps. Paul's support would go a long way toward helping Romney with a bloc of young Republicans who have been turning out in huge numbers for Paul and who otherwise might stay home in November. It might also help Romney grab all of Paul's delegates. Such an arrangement would help Paul get what a Romney ally called "an important speaking role at the convention."

Paul's camp contends he will exceed the 270 delegates Romney garnered in 2008, which earned him an undercard slot on the penultimate evening in St. Paul. Josh Putnam, a political scientist at Davidson College who studies delegate allocation, notes that Paul's campaign hasn't furnished evidence to back up those claims. But he says there is a chance Paul could "completely exploit the system and take delegates from caucus states where there's no written rule to how delegates are allocated." Paul's aides say they expect to win a plurality of delegates in a batch of blue-to-purple caucus states where it failed to win the popular vote, including Iowa, Minnesota, Maine, Nevada and Washington.

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Paul's acolytes insist their man cannot be bought. "Romney wants the ring of power. He wants it so bad," says Doug Wead, a Paul senior adviser. "Negotiating with Ron Paul is very difficult because he doesn't want anything. If he got the ring, he would throw it into Mount Doom."

Maybe so, but at 76, Paul is understandably concerned about the future of his movement. Aides say if Paul can't win the nomination, four legislative priorities would top the Texas Representative's wish list: deep spending cuts that lead to a balanced budget; the restoration of civil liberties; a commitment to reclaim the legislative branch's right to declare war, which it abdicated to the executive branch in recent decades; and reforms that shore up the U.S. monetary system, such an audit of the Federal Reserve or competing-currency legislation. The Texas Representative might also be enticed, says campaign chairman Jesse Benton, by the prospect of serving as a presidential adviser, a Cabinet position for someone in his orbit or "perhaps a vice presidency."

Not for himself, but rather his son. Rand Paul, the junior senator from Kentucky and a Tea Party icon, is expected to launch his own White House bid in 2016. Being on the ticket now -- or even being mentioned for it -- would be a helpful step. Says one Paul adviser: "If you're talking about putting Rand on the ticket, of course that would be worth delivering our people to Romney."

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Romney is unlikely to go for that. At the same time, Paul's backers recognize that selling supporters on an alliance with Romney carries special risks, since Paul's bond with his backers is predicted on his record of principled stands. A pact would have to be done "very cautiously," says Benton. "We wouldn't ask our people to do that if we worried they were just being coopted or that we were in some way selling out."

But it may soon be time for Paul's army to decide if it wants to win or lose in the fall. "There's clearly something going on between the two of them, and that's a very good thing," says David Adams, a Kentucky Tea Party strategist who helmed Rand Paul's Senate primary campaign. "The main goal is stopping this lurch to the left. Mitt Romney and Ron Paul can go a long way toward healing what ails our nation."

With reporting by Katy Steinmetz

http://news.yahoo.com/why-ron-paul-may-cut-deal-mitt-romney-092118733.html

NewBob
03-15-2012, 08:35 AM
It's an interesting idea (to me at least). On one hand you have what seems like no chance to win (I've seen some people claim he's got a shot with unsecured delegates whatever that means), on the other hand he has no chance to win as a 3rd party and probably guarantees Obama reelection, and then you have the idea of a VP ticket maybe.... I know some people are very idealistic here and would rather have a loss that means something.

jogslvr
03-15-2012, 08:43 AM
Reading that article earlier this morning, I think it's a clever ploy to piss off RP supporters. Just a hunch perhaps.

Scorpio
03-15-2012, 09:04 AM
problem is,

romney is no Paul,

he doesn't have a inkling of Paul coursing thru his veins

it is strictly political, strictly yet another snatch and run,

S

Joseph
03-15-2012, 09:41 AM
problem is,

romney is no Paul,

he doesn't have a inkling of Paul coursing thru his veins

it is strictly political, strictly yet another snatch and run,

S

I find it hard to beleive, after hearing RP deny, time after time, that he would ever throw his support behind any of those clowns should they win the GOP nomination. They, and Obama, are precisely why he's running for POTUS. The only thing he's ever said is that he's known Romney a long time and they have a cordial relationship. It's just another line of B$ from the GOP to pimp Romney to the gullible masses.

I don't understand how so many people can hate Romney - even members of his own family back RP, yet he gets the delegates - always through some shadowy, under-handed behind closed doors, vote flim-flammery. The only people who showed up for Gingrich in SC was literally the cleaning crew and the workers who set up the chairs in the room. It looked like a ghost town, and all the Baptists voted for Santorum - yet Gingrich won.

Other than a few ill-informed, reich-wing illiterate fools, who refer to RP supporters as Paul-bots, Paul is cheered by standing room only crowds wherever he goes, most of the armed forces are behind him, and yet somehow he cannot garner any delegates.

I would rather see him go down in flames than pimp himself out to Romney.

PhucilliJerry
03-15-2012, 10:02 AM
I find it hard to beleive, after hearing RP deny, time after time, that he would ever throw his support behind any of those clowns should they win the GOP nomination. They, and Obama, are precisely why he's running for POTUS. The only thing he's ever said is that he's known Romney a long time and they have a cordial relationship. It's just another line of B$ from the GOP to pimp Romney to the gullible masses.

I don't understand how so many people can hate Romney - even members of his own family back RP, yet he gets the delegates - always through some shadowy, under-handed behind closed doors, vote flim-flammery. The only people who showed up for Gingrich in SC was literally the cleaning crew and the workers who set up the chairs in the room. It looked like a ghost town, and all the Baptists voted for Santorum - yet Gingrich won.

Other than a few ill-informed, reich-wing illiterate fools, who refer to RP supporters as Paul-bots, Paul is cheered by standing room only crowds wherever he goes, most of the armed forces are behind him, and yet somehow he cannot garner any delegates.

I would rather see him go down in flames than pimp himself out to Romney.

I will vote for Paul unless he does this Romney VP thing, then I will vote for Gary Johnson. I will no longer waste my vote on the lesser of the evils. Although my vote is probably already wasted by those who "count" them........

Joseph
03-15-2012, 10:11 AM
I will vote for Paul unless he does this Romney VP thing, then I will vote for Gary Johnson. I will no longer waste my vote on the lesser of the evils. Although my vote is probably already wasted by those who "count" them........

+1 here .

RealJack
03-15-2012, 12:44 PM
I will vote for Paul unless he does this Romney VP thing, then I will vote for Gary Johnson. I will no longer waste my vote on the lesser of the evils. Although my vote is probably already wasted by those who "count" them........

Then you're just lending credibility to those who count them.

The vote count is no longer valid. Stop voting.

Then, stop paying taxes. This government is illegitimate, unconstitutional, unlawful and deeply corrupt.

There's only one way for a slave to revolt on a ship of state and that's to stop laboring for the master.

AgAuGal
03-15-2012, 12:49 PM
I have soooo much to say to these responses but no time right now. You either support Ron Paul or you don't, If you say things like I will support him 'unless' he does such an such then you still have to educate ur selfs until u get to rp is the only choice no matter what. If u r still talking about 'wasted' votes u still r not getting it (as RichG says I can't understand it for u). After sitting with 5000 other RP supporters last night I can guarantee you that man is genuine to the core, honest, intelligent, deeply concerned for our country and its people, he has mentioned repeatedly he is different from the other gop options, but that should b obvious by now. man is mart and I damn phone need to backnow an

AgAuGal
03-15-2012, 01:05 PM
By now rp supporters should laughing at the koolaid filled propaganda of a media cartel hit piece such as this. This country is running out of time to retain some semblance of its former glory and freedom, this election is our Maginot ine. If we don't stop being armchair politicians and get involved then this country deserves what is coming. None of us will ever b as smart about politics as RP, he has lived in this system, he knows and understands it better than all of us combined, and he has never waivered, that is what we need is a leader who understands the process to provide uncompromising direction while the rest of us political 1st graders get ourselves educated enough so we can take the responsibility for our country. Time to wake up, stand up get involved,.

PhucilliJerry
03-15-2012, 02:38 PM
Then you're just lending credibility to those who count them.

The vote count is no longer valid. Stop voting.

Then, stop paying taxes. This government is illegitimate, unconstitutional, unlawful and deeply corrupt.

There's only one way for a slave to revolt on a ship of state and that's to stop laboring for the master.

I certainly don't disagree but how do I stop paying taxes and still keep my house and land to grow/raise food?
Become a gypsy/drifter? How do you do it?



I have soooo much to say to these responses but no time right now. You either support Ron Paul or you don't, If you say things like I will support him 'unless' he does such an such then you still have to educate ur selfs until u get to rp is the only choice no matter what. If u r still talking about 'wasted' votes u still r not getting it (as RichG says I can't understand it for u). After sitting with 5000 other RP supporters last night I can guarantee you that man is genuine to the core, honest, intelligent, deeply concerned for our country and its people, he has mentioned repeatedly he is different from the other gop options, but that should b obvious by now. man is mart and I damn phone need to backnow an

I assume this is mostly directed at me, and I certainly do support and trust RP. But I will not vote for a Romney presidency even if RP is the VP. I don't think this could happen, I was merely addressing the OP. On the off chance it did, if RP was hypnotized or something, what is wrong with a vote for Gary Johnson? Would a Gary Johnson Presidency be worse than a Romney-Paul combo?


By now rp supporters should laughing at the koolaid filled propaganda of a media cartel hit piece such as this. This country is running out of time to retain some semblance of its former glory and freedom, this election is our Maginot ine. If we don't stop being armchair politicians and get involved then this country deserves what is coming. None of us will ever b as smart about politics as RP, he has lived in this system, he knows and understands it better than all of us combined, and he has never waivered, that is what we need is a leader who understands the process to provide uncompromising direction while the rest of us political 1st graders get ourselves educated enough so we can take the responsibility for our country. Time to wake up, stand up get involved,.

Again, I agree, although I'm not sure RP can "save" us either. Not because he wouldn't do the best job anyone possibly could. But because we are so far gone. I'm not giving up, and I don't think anyone should. But say he gets all his policies in place, do you think everything will be rosy? There is still going to be immense pain. And then who does everyone blame? RP and Libertarians or the system that actually created the mess? Say he gets help in Congress too, he gets 2 years to turn it around until the House is up and the sheeple vote for handouts and freebies again. Is 2 years enough time? We both know this answer. Well at least I think I do. Convince me otherwise.

I do go back and forth between thinking it would be best to have the system fail under Obama or Romney/Gingrich/Santorum than to suffer the pain under Paul. Which will have the best long term outcome? I feel with near complete certainty that it would be better in the long term with Paul, but who thinks long term anymore? Economic pain under a Paul Presidency would pretty much rule out Libertarianism for another century.

He will have my vote for President, but not for VP, unless it is with Gary Johnson. Romney, Obama, Bush, et. al. are nearly identical.

How do you stand up and get sheeple involved? I can't get my co-workers involved in a conversation about anything political/economic. Yet they'll debate who should die next on Sons of Anarchy or why Jersey Shore is great entertainment for hours on end. Sports radio and Howard Stern are on 8/5, but I get strange looks when I watch an RP clip on youtube or some video from here or Zero Hedge. Most people just don't give a crap and it will take a SHTF event to make a dent in the normalcy bias most people operate under.

dpong
03-15-2012, 07:33 PM
MORE anti-Ron Paul propaganda as usual.

It will never happen, though anti-liberty types love to run with this as a story. Forget it. It is a lie designed for clever purpose.

Read this:

http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2012/03/13/ron-pauls-hour-of-decision/

wastrel
03-15-2012, 10:25 PM
I don't see how anyone who is informed enough to even consider voting for Ron Paul, would ever give anything from Time magazine more than a disinterested chuckle.

Personally, although I don't agree with Mr. Paul 100%, he is the only one on the Republican slate I'd bother voting for, and I contributed a bit to his campaign. If he's not on the ticket, I probably won't bother to vote at all.

Although I do joke with friends that if I can't vote for Paul, I might vote for Obama -- on the theory that if we're all going to hell, might as well go quickly! :p

ToBeSelfEvident
03-16-2012, 10:33 AM
RP holds all the cards. He can make demands of the likely nominee, or take his large block of delegates and voters elsewhere, and deliver the election to Obama. If the Repubs want to have a chance of winning, they have to play Ron Paul's game.

Sure, if he runs 3rd party, he'll be hated by the Republican establishment, but he already IS hated by those creeps - so F 'em. Ron Paul doesn't owe anybody anything.

If RP runs 3rd party and Obama wins easily, it might actually teach the GOP something - that they ignore LIBERTY AND THE CONSTITUTION at their own peril. And that one simple lesson might do more to save the country than any other.

faith
03-18-2012, 06:16 PM
Then you're just lending credibility to those who count them.

The vote count is no longer valid. Stop voting.

Then, stop paying taxes. This government is illegitimate, unconstitutional, unlawful and deeply corrupt.

There's only one way for a slave to revolt on a ship of state and that's to stop laboring for the master.

Nice try but brother you are in the wrong neighborhood!
The lure of spending just 15 minutes every 4 years to go to the neighorhood poll and pull a lever for the Personality of 'your' choice and then all will be well is just too enticing..