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southfork
06-26-2012, 07:42 PM
OH OH, TPTB are priming for something

http://www.forexpros.com/analysis/analysis/is-silver-set-to-go-sub-%252410-again%2520-127597


By Abigail Doolittle | Commodities | Jun 26, 2012 04:18AM GMT | Add a Comment

Abigail Doolittle
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Enough attention was paid to the chart of gold last week with its confirmed Double Top highlighted in the context of what appears to be a Descending Triangle that confirms near $1,524 for a target of $1,136 per ounce and so let’s look at what’s happening in silver, but before turning to that very bearish chart, let’s take a quick look at gold through GLD.
GLD CHART
GLD’s Double Top remains confirmed below $153 for a target of $147 and it is supported by April’s Death Cross along with that Descending Triangle – and a massively bearish pattern – that confirms at $148 for a target of $110. Maybe GLD defies its Double Top to move up toward the top trendline representing GLD’s true downtrend near $164, but more likely is GLD trading between $148 and $156 for a few weeks before fulfilling the Double Top to confirm the Descending Triangle to the downside with the unlikely upside scenario worth dissecting only if it becomes more relevant.

Turning now to silver, its chart is similar to gold over the long-term but differs slightly in the near-term.
SILVER CHART
What is similar in silver to gold is the long-term Descending Trend Channel that was not highlighted in the chart of GLD for its Descending Triangle, but it is this technical aspect in gold and silver that is most worth weighing at this point and that is a year-long downtrend that is trying to reverse the long-term uptrend in both gold and silver.

Before turning to the Descending Triangle nestled in silver’s Descending Trend Channel, let’s treat what could have been a Double Bottom or a bearishly-oriented Symmetrical Triangle just last Wednesday with the latter winning out on Thursday and Friday on confirmation of $26.75 per ounce for a target of $21.85 per ounce.

It was that possible Double Bottom along with the true top trendline of the Descending Trend Channel in gold and silver that had caused me to believe there was a shot that gold might trade close to its 150 DMA at $1,657 per ounce and silver to some level between $31 and $32 per ounce but that near-term bullish possibility was never achieved ahead of the FOMC meeting and is unlikely to be achieved until the QE3-Dreams become strong enough again. Perhaps this does happen in Q3 with this being a typically strong “season” for the precious metals, but this recent and failed attempt to rise to the trendline marking the respective downtrends in each does not support it.

This failure by silver, of course, puts the focus on that massive Descending Triangle that confirms at $26.13 per ounce for a target so low it is not worth mentioning outside of saying silver may slide sub-$10 per ounce and a level last seen in 2008.

Let’s take a look at how silver’s unbelievably bearish look translates to SLV and its bearish Symmetrical Triangle will confirm below $25.99 for a target of $21.54.
SLV CHART
Relative to that hugely bearish Descending Triangle that shows nicely in SLV’s weekly chart above, it confirms at $25.65 for a seemingly absurd target that is sub-$10 and a level not seen since 2008.

Interestingly, SLV’s full weekly chart and one that is not shown here raises some hope that it might defy that truly bearish feat to rise superbly higher, but this possibility is not showing in the chart of silver, GLD or gold and so unless it becomes more of a possibility and one that requires SLV to take out $36.44 and silver to rise above $37.55 per ounce, it makes little sense to treat it too seriously.

Somewhat unbelievably, though, it does make sense to think that silver may go sub-$10 again.

Argentsum
06-26-2012, 07:50 PM
Silver going to <$10 would annihilate all pure silver miners.

Gcubed
06-26-2012, 07:52 PM
Silver going to <$10 would annihilate all pure silver miners.

They aint doin' that good anyway, are they?

bemac
06-26-2012, 07:54 PM
Silver going to <$10 would annihilate all pure silver miners.

I'm one of those "gold hoors" and I'd start living out of my car to buy silver at less than $10.

Tinbox
06-26-2012, 07:55 PM
Silver going to <$10 would annihilate all pure silver miners.

Do you know how many ounces of silver are mined from purely silver miners?

I'm very curious......

cpthnsolo
06-26-2012, 07:55 PM
Somewhat unbelievably, though, it does make sense to think that silver may go sub-$10 again.

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Of course the ironic thing is by the time silver is in the teens again dealers will suddenly not have it any more. I think it's doubtful we'll see sub $10 silver again (though it's possible), but I think sub-$20 silver is quite likely at this point. I have purchased from sub $15 pricing all the way to $38ish and considering I'm broke these days I would welcome a huge drop from here.

Gcubed
06-26-2012, 07:59 PM
Here we go again. $10 silver and $20 ASEs! Better load up and double up my hedges. ;)

Ebie
06-26-2012, 08:00 PM
It would create a paper/physical divergance.

Argentsum
06-26-2012, 08:04 PM
Do you know how many ounces of silver are mined from purely silver miners?

I'm very curious......

I haven't counted all of the ounces lately. Sorry.

Tinbox
06-26-2012, 08:07 PM
I haven't counted all of the ounces lately. Sorry.

maybe 200 million yearly? I think the majority of silver is a by-product

Argentsum
06-26-2012, 08:09 PM
maybe 200 million yearly? I think the majority of silver is a by-product

384, 385, 36- dammit, now I have to start over.

I'll let you know when I'm done. Don't rush me.

Tinbox
06-26-2012, 08:12 PM
384, 385, 36- dammit, now I have to start over.

I'll let you know when I'm done. Don't rush me.

ur a slow counter

Argentsum
06-26-2012, 08:24 PM
ur a slow counter

You don't pay me enough to count faster.

Seriously, this is something that can only be inferred. The silver institute states there was 716 million ounces produced in 2011.

200 million ounces is probably in the ball park looking at the production numbers of the top silver producers.

TomD
06-26-2012, 09:48 PM
It would create a paper/physical divergance.

I assume mean as in 2008 when silver was theoretically selling in the high-$8 range except there was no way in hell anyone would sell their silver for that price. Actually a big bet on silver in an ETF wouldn't have been a bad play then but if the system picks that particular time to crap out, the ETF would make good toilet paper.

Silver Buck
06-26-2012, 10:18 PM
Silver going to <$10 would annihilate all pure silver miners.

Just let the junk sit in the ground. It isn't going anywhere.

The price will come back up.

curmudgeonista
06-26-2012, 11:51 PM
I only skimmed the article, but from what I saw there was zero reasoning involved, the bearishness based solely on perceived patterns on a rearward facing chart (otherwise known as TA).

I have to laugh at the haughtiness with which the author identified those patterns by silly (though, I assume, generally accepted) names and pronounced the end of the bull with such certainty, as though there could be no question of the diagnosis.

"Yes Doctor, the tests came back. I'm afraid the patient's Argentum levels are in a Descending Triangle nestled in a Descending Triangle and there's a malignant Double Top growth on his Aurum. Obviously, it's terminal."

I'm sorry if it offends those who've spent years on TA, learning to rattle off those patterns and quiver in fear of them, but this is really nothing but voodoo divination. Might as well cut the head off a live chicken or throw bones in a saucer of octopus ink.

Maybe doing those things helps one overcome indecision. And maybe TA can actually be used to identify short-term trends. But, as crystal balls looking deeply into the future, tarot cards are about as accurate portents as arbitrary trend lines drawn across the Rorschach-esque trails of trading past.

You see, it's like this... there are reasons that the charts look the way they do. Things happen to cause those lines to rise and fall. Maybe it looks like random chaos. Maybe it is. But, the chart does not dictate prices. It's the other way around. If you want to convince me that you can tell silver will fall to $10 please be so kind as to point out those yet unfolding events that will be the cause... and I don't mean the creases running through my palm or soggy tea leaves in the bottom of my cup.

gringott
06-27-2012, 06:25 AM
If it does go to that price.... I will also be living in my auto because I will have sold everything to go "all in".

I will also predict if silver goes sub- $8, oil will be sub- $50.

Fiat Metaler
06-27-2012, 07:26 AM
Here we go again. $10 silver and $20 ASEs! Better load up and double up my hedges. ;)

exactly. even if they paint the tape down to $10, there won't be any to buy at that price and the premiums will add another $10-15.

Tinbox
06-27-2012, 07:56 AM
exactly. even if they paint the tape down to $10, there won't be any to buy at that price and the premiums will add another $10-15.

maybe not from private buyers, but I don't see why retailers wouldn't have any. (although there may be a temporary shortage, especially if the price decrease was a fast one)

I don't see why with silver at $10, you couldn't get generic rounds for $11-12.

MrLucky
06-27-2012, 09:03 AM
Here we go again. $10 silver and $20 ASEs! Better load up and double up my hedges. ;)

Maybe even sub $100 ATB's? :551:

Ragnarok
06-27-2012, 09:26 AM
Just because PAPER GLD/SLV want lower numbers doesn't mean PHYSICAL GOLD will.:hmmmm2:
Bring on that divergence!:thumbs_up:

And sub $10 silver would imply a much stronger dollar. Really?:4_1_72:

2c, R.

hoarder
06-27-2012, 09:29 AM
Who knows where paper silver will go? The law of supply and demand dictates value. Since there are no limits on the supply of paper silver, it could go to $2, couldn't it?

Ragnarok
06-27-2012, 09:34 AM
Who knows where paper silver will go? The law of supply and demand dictates value. Since there are no limits on the supply of paper silver, it could go to $2, couldn't it?

YEP. But for some reason a whole lotta people:vollkommenauf: seem to think cheap paper metal will translate to cheap physical? Not for long, if at all imo!

R.

Chester-Copperpot
06-27-2012, 10:26 AM
Just imagine what China, and India would do at $10 silver. They'd Hoover it up like there's no tomorrow.

bemac
06-27-2012, 10:42 AM
Who knows where paper silver will go? The law of supply and demand dictates value. Since there are no limits on the supply of paper silver, it could go to $2, couldn't it?

I don't believe so, not without causing a run on physical. Large holders of (most) paper metal have the option of taking physical delivery. And if there is a major difference in paper and physical value, those large paper holders will demand physical.

It's just like the bank runs in the old days, when bankers were lending out more gold than they should have.

KnowLaw
06-27-2012, 02:31 PM
Just because PAPER GLD/SLV want lower numbers doesn't mean PHYSICAL GOLD will.:hmmmm2:
Bring on that divergence!:thumbs_up:
Yes, indeed. That's been my sentiment all along. With the intervention into the PM markets, there ought to be a difference between paper and physical prices (despite the uncomfortableness it might present to physical buyers). At least the price would reflect a truer value (in addition to disclosing to the rest of the world what we ALL already know: i.e. that fiat currencies are worthless! And not worthy of holding wealth in.).


And sub $10 silver would imply a much stronger dollar. Really?:4_1_72:

2c, R.
Right on.

HistoryStudent
06-27-2012, 02:39 PM
Do you know how many ounces of silver are mined from purely silver miners?

I'm very curious......

About in ballpark figures 6.5 to 8.5 times the gold mined every year.

(A lot of silver comes out in the nuance of the times i.e. just as needed, just in time, and under cover of govys)


And the physical folks buy them both up equally in dollar or world fiat values.

The ratio is 58.4 to 1 however.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Xwl4oVnbhU

Someone is gonna get KISSED on their ASS'ETS!

HistoryStudent
06-27-2012, 02:52 PM
Yes, indeed. That's been my sentiment all along. With the intervention into the PM markets, there ought to be a difference between paper and physical prices (despite the uncomfortableness it might present to physical buyers). At least the price would reflect a truer value (in addition to disclosing to the rest of the world what we ALL already know: i.e. that fiat currencies are worthless! And not worthy of holding wealth in.).


Right on.

Most of the trading is handled with 25% bonuses not to take delivery. The folks playing the markets are like in a casino they
just want cash to cover their entire expenses. They are not thinking long term.

The current deflation "dealie" is a subterfuge of confusion (default of trillions in derivatives), mixed in a banking enigma, covered in a mystery, and topped with intrigue.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPYLJoq_40Y

Buy the MOVIE: ROLLOVER!

Tinbox
06-27-2012, 04:14 PM
Just because PAPER GLD/SLV want lower numbers doesn't mean PHYSICAL GOLD will.:hmmmm2:
Bring on that divergence!:thumbs_up:

And sub $10 silver would imply a much stronger dollar. Really?:4_1_72:

2c, R.

why is that funny? 95% of the time the dollar goes up, silver goes down and vice versa. Very very strong correlation right now.

The dollar index would probably have to be at least 90 if silver went sub 10, probably closer to a 100. Which means yes the dollar would be much stronger (in relation to other currencies and i suppose the metals as well since in this scenario silver is sub 10 and gold would probably not be doing well either)

bemac
06-27-2012, 05:40 PM
why is that funny? 95% of the time the dollar goes up, silver goes down and vice versa. Very very strong correlation right now.

The dollar index would probably have to be at least 90 if silver went sub 10, probably closer to a 100. Which means yes the dollar would be much stronger (in relation to other currencies and i suppose the metals as well since in this scenario silver is sub 10 and gold would probably not be doing well either)

Correct. But not only that, the value of our $16T debt would be higher, and unemployment would be much higher.