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mayhem
05-17-2010, 12:53 PM
Silver tells a volatile story of Earth's origin: Water was present during its birth (http://www.physorg.com/news192977317.html)

May 13, 2010 Earth

Tiny variations in the isotopic composition of silver in meteorites and Earth rocks are helping scientists put together a timetable of how our planet was assembled beginning 4.568 billion years ago. The new study, published in the journal Science, indicates that water and other key volatiles may have been present in at least some of Earth's original building blocks, rather than acquired later from comets, as some scientists have suggested.

Compared to the Solar System as a whole, Earth is depleted in volatile elements, such as hydrogen, carbon, and nitrogen, which likely never condensed on planets formed in the inner, hotter, part of the Solar System. Earth is also depleted in moderately volatile elements, such as silver.

"A big question in the formation of the Earth is when this depletion occurred," says co-author Richard Carlson of the Carnegie Institution for Science's Department of Terrestrial Magnetism. "That's where silver isotopes can really help."

Silver has two stable isotopes, one of which, silver-107 was produced in the early Solar System by the rapid radioactive decay of palladium-107. Palladium-107 is so unstable that virtually all of it decayed within the first 30 million years of the Solar System's history.

Silver and palladium differ in their chemical properties. Silver is the more volatile of the two, whereas palladium is more likely to bond with iron. These differences allowed the Carnegie researchers, which included Carlson lead author Maria Schönbächler (a former Carnegie Institution postdoctoral scientist now at the University of Manchester) Erik Hauri, Mary Horan, and Tim Mock to use the isotopic ratios in primitive meteorites and rocks from Earth's mantle to determine the history of Earth's volatiles relative to the formation of Earth's iron core. Other evidence, specifically from hafnium and tungsten isotopes, indicates that the core formed between 30 to 100 million years after the origin of the Solar System.

"We found that the silver isotope ratios in mantle rocks from the Earth exactly matched those in primitive meteorites," says Carlson. "But these meteorites have compositions that are very volatile-rich, unlike the Earth, which is volatile-depleted."

The silver isotopes also presented another riddle, suggesting that the Earth's core formed about 5-10 million years after the origin of the Solar System, much earlier than the date from the hafnium-tungsten results.

The group concludes that these contradictory observations can be reconciled if Earth first accreted volatile-depleted material until it reached about 85% of its final mass and then accreted volatile-rich material in the late stages of its formation, about 26 million years after the Solar System's origin. The addition of volatile-rich material could have occurred in a single event, perhaps the giant collision between the proto-Earth and a Mars-sized object thought to have ejected enough material into Earth orbit to form the Moon.

The results of the study support a 30-year old model of planetary growth called "heterogeneous accretion," which proposes that the Earth's building blocks changed in composition as the planet accreted. Carlson adds that it would have taken just a small amount of volatile-rich material similar to primitive meteorites added during the late stages of Earth's accretion to account for all the volatiles, including water, on the Earth today.

Provided by Carnegie Institution

Saul Mine
05-17-2010, 02:06 PM
What exactly is a "primitive" asteroid?

Scientists have a terrific number of assumptions on which they base their conclusions. Many of those assumptions are known false but they use them anyway. Many assumptions lead to ignoring important data. One assumption is that electricity has no effect except in equipment designed to use it. Electricity in the form of moving plasma can synthesize any element and set its nuclear clock to any number. So we really have no idea how old anything is unless some human has recorded it. Look up "Coso artifact" for one example: a Ford spark plug in a rock that appears to be millions of years old.

AgBar
05-17-2010, 04:11 PM
What exactly is a "primitive" asteroid?

Scientists have a terrific number of assumptions on which they base their conclusions. Many of those assumptions are known false but they use them anyway.

Well of course. That's part of the plan. Our weekly "talking papers" from TPTB re-enforce this point all the time.

Your computer really works on raw assumption. As soon as a critical mass of people stop believing in it, you'll no longer have the intertubes at your fingertips.


Many assumptions lead to ignoring important data. One assumption is that electricity has no effect except in equipment designed to use it.

Huh? Where did you get that idea?


Electricity in the form of moving plasma can synthesize any element and set its nuclear clock to any number.

Citation Needed.

Define "moving." Moving relative to what?

That must be where the mercury in fluorescent lights comes from: the plasma makes it. I wonder if I could tune it to make gold instead? It's just one less proton.


So we really have no idea how old anything is unless some human has recorded it. Look up "Coso artifact" for one example: a Ford spark plug in a rock that appears to be millions of years old.

It's a 1920's champion brand plug

according to co-finder Virginia Maxey it was found in a lump of clay along with pebbles, a nail, and a washer -- not in a geode as elsewhere claimed. The encasing material had a Mohs hardness of 3. Geodes are mostly chalcedony, with a Mohs hardness between 6 and 7.

according to the finders, it was found sitting on the surface, not "in a strata" as elsewhere claimed

it was last known to be held by one of the co-finders, Wallace Lane, who refused to allow anyone to examine it but who was willing to sell it for $25k

and it has since gone missing.

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/coso.html

But I agree, Occam's razor says that time travelers or a race of advanced space travelers use spark plugs. Must have been a heck of a ride home with one cylinder not firing.

Saul Mine
05-17-2010, 11:38 PM
It's a 1920's champion brand plug

Thank you. I misremembered the brand.

If you want some basic info about plasma, I suggest reading a few pages at thunderbolts.info (http://thunderbolts.info/).