Gold is Money - The Premier Gold and Silver Forum -- Goldismoney http://www.goldismoney2.com/ en Tue, 18 Jun 2013 06:38:04 GMT vBulletin 60 http://www.goldismoney2.com/images/scarletrush/misc/rss.png Gold is Money - The Premier Gold and Silver Forum -- Goldismoney http://www.goldismoney2.com/ BREAKING: California Passes Ammo Permit Fee http://www.goldismoney2.com/showthread.php?48182-BREAKING-California-Passes-Ammo-Permit-Fee&goto=newpost Tue, 18 Jun 2013 06:24:42 GMT *BREAKING: California Passes Ammo Permit Fee* California once again proved it is one of the least Second Amendment friendly states in America. State legislators just passed a $50 ammo permit fee and background check law. If liberals want to derail the right to bear arms and make sure that common... BREAKING: California Passes Ammo Permit Fee

California once again proved it is one of the least Second Amendment friendly states in America. State legislators just passed a $50 ammo permit fee and background check law. If liberals want to derail the right to bear arms and make sure that common citizens cannot afford to defend themselves, the cost-prohibitive per-purchase ammo fee law will surely do the trick.

The great ammo shortage of 2013 is still in full swing. Store shelves still remain quite empty and demand has driven prices up in many locations around the country. Between the over-zealous ammo grabbing by the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) and the California ammo permit law, gun owners in the West Coast state may soon be entirely out of bullets.

Making it more difficult for law-abiding citizens to obtain guns and ammunition will only increase the growing crime rate in the highly populated state. The California Senate appears to once again be demonstrating their willingness to infringe upon the Second Amendment rights of constituents. High taxes and the state’s distaste for the Constitution have prompted thousands of California residents to relocate elsewhere, Texas in particular.

Firearms expert and firearms expert and self-defense tactical trainer Patrick J.G. Troy had this to say about California’s permit fee:

“Since the Second Amendment to our Constitution only discusses the right of the people (that would be us) to keep and bear arms (have them in your possession and on your person), providing no specific protection for ammunition, the left sees this as their opportunity to make gun ownership of no value by eliminating the supply of ammunition.

“Ammo is in short supply nation wide and has been since BHO was re-elected. The Sandy Hook tragedy and subsequent gun banning/gun confiscation rhetoric that followed put the demand for ammunition over the top and that, coupled with the DHS actively seeking to deplete the national ammunition supply by purchasing 1.6 billion rounds, has left the retail shelves bare for months.

“Requiring a $50 ammo permit per purchase would make a box of defensive ammunition cost almost $100 for 20 rounds—that’s $2 per bullet. A box of 50 rounds of 22 Long Rifle ammunition (which would normally cost less than $2), would now cost $52 dollars. That’s over $1 per bullet for 22 Long Rifle ammunition. Essentially, the left is trying to make the cost of defending ourselves (a God-given right as proclaimed by our Founders and the Constitution) so high that we cannot afford to do so.

“In California, it is already illegal for a minor to purchase ammunition. Perhaps they enacted that law to keep gang members from purchasing ammunition at the local gun shop. The fact that California is rife with gangs and gang violence is testimony the failure of the left’s reactionary laws. Any thoughtful analysis would reveal that law-abiding citizens are not a problem in any regard. Criminals will always circumvent and violate our laws; that is what criminals do and why they are criminals.
“Criminals obtain their guns and ammunition from the black market. The same supply chain that brings all the illegal drugs into the USA sustains this market. Since BHO has arrogantly refused to secure our borders, the supply of guns, ammunition, and drugs continues to flow into the USA with the ever-increasing presence and magnitude of violent gangs whose members also cross freely into the USA via the same routes. Criminals do not need to purchase guns or ammunition from the supply chain that law-abiding citizens use. They procure their guns and ammo illegally from their own black-market supply chain that is inaccessible to law abiding citizens.

“There are numerous court cases in the US where law enforcement agencies have been sued for failing to protect victims of violent crimes. Every lawsuit was dismissed because the courts ruled that there is no relationship between law enforcement personnel and citizens, and therefore, law enforcement personnel have no duty to protect the citizenry. Rather, they only have a duty to uphold the law. The only time law enforcement personnel have a duty to protect an individual citizen is when that citizen is in the custody of those law enforcement personnel. So, if you are handcuffed and in the back of the police car, if you are in jail, if you are being detained by the police, or your liberty has been restricted by the police, these are the only times that law enforcement personnel have even a marginal duty to protect you, the citizen. As long as you are at liberty, you have no relationship with law enforcement and are on your own to protect yourself. That is the current state of the law in this regard.”

How to hide your guns, and other off grid caches…

The California $50 ammo permit fee is only one aspect of the new gun control law. The bill also outlawed “large-capacity” magazines (over 10 rounds) and detachable magazines. The legislation also allows for the tracking of anyone who buys ammunition and puts into place a reporting system when more than 3,000 rounds are tallied at the cash register. The category of offenders prohibited from owning guns for a decade was also expanded by the California State lawmakers.
Every time an individual buys a box of ammo, they must submit personal information for review and pay a $50 permit fee. After the private details and money has been paid, the state will then, and only then, decide if the customer will be allowed to put the ammunition into a sack and walk out of the store. The same day purchase of ammunition in California may be a thing of the past, depending upon how long it takes for the background results to return.

Buying and manufacturing semi-automatic rifles which can accommodate detachable magazines will now be illegal as well. Any California citizen who currently owns such a weapon is mandated to immediately register the rifle with state officials. If California lawmakers would crack down on criminals and the overwhelming number of gang members in the state with as much venom as they are law-abiding citizens, jails in the Golden State would not have a single empty bed.

All the Second-Amendment-rights-infringing law will do is cost California’s gun stores and ammo retailers business—creating employee layoffs in the process. Gun owning residents will simply opt to buy their ammunition online and venture into a bordering state to fulfill their needs. The semi-automatic rifles portion of the law will do nothing to deter crime. As the viral video created by a county sheriff demonstrating how quickly any size magazine can be emptied and reloaded (by any level of shooter), a villain with several five or ten capacity magazines can still kill a multitude of people in a short amount of time.
Surviving Doomsday author Richard Duarte, who is also a Miami attorney and firearms expert, had this to say about the continued attack on the right to bear arms:

“In Florida we currently have a pending bill that would make it illegal for individuals to purchase ammunition unless they had completed a state-approved anger management class. Violations could result in 60 day to one year in jail… have we all lost our minds? And what kind of idiots are we electing to public office? How can any rational person look at this pending bill and think that it makes any sense at all, or that it would have any sort of positive impact? If it’s not already obvious, it will soon become painfully obvious that the average citizen has to start paying attention and taking a more active role in holding elected officials accountable for their actions. If we fail to do this, there will be a time, in the very near future, when we will look around and not recognize the country we live in.”

Duarte’s warnings and observations are extremely accurate. We already have to squint really hard to garner a glimpse of the America we once knew. California Attorney General Kamala Harris certified legislation which mandates that all new semi-automatic handguns utilize stamping technology. The stamps would provide identifying information on bullet casings.

Gun makers will not likely be willing to put infuse the stamping on all handguns simply to appease California or retrofit their entire line of existing firearms to comply with the new gun control law. The bill might not have been labeled as a handgun ban, but that is exactly what it will effectively do within the state. Whether or not a California citizen can order such a gun online or buy one from a border state without the bullet casings stamp without breaking the law remains unclear.

Signs like this one have been popping up in the yards of California gun owners:
“My neighbor doesn’t like guns, so I promise not to use mine to defend him.”

At this point, a poignant slogan born out of frustration is about the only recourse non-liberal Golden State residents have in the fight for their gun rights – unless they can afford to move. The desire to not have Ted Nugent living next door has been expressed by anti-Second Amendment activists in the state. The short-sightedness of such an argument may become tragically clear if the “Gun Free Zone” folks are faced with an intruder at their door. I would much rather have a Ted Nugent type living next door instead of a helpless victim who could not help me protect me family during a civil unrest scenario. A smile and a cold glass of lemonade will not dissuade a drug addict or gang member during a search for an easy target – but my Ruger handgun would make a lasting impression.

http://www.offthegridnews.com/2013/0...mo-permit-fee/ ]]> General Discussion All Other newmisty http://www.goldismoney2.com/showthread.php?48182-BREAKING-California-Passes-Ammo-Permit-Fee Man Shot For Refusing Another Man A Cigarette http://www.goldismoney2.com/showthread.php?48181-Man-Shot-For-Refusing-Another-Man-A-Cigarette&goto=newpost Tue, 18 Jun 2013 03:38:45 GMT They always say "smoking kills."

Man Shot For Refusing Another Man A Cigarette

by JON DAVID KAHN 16 Jun 2013
COLUMBUS, Ohio - According to police, a man was shot Saturday morning after refusing to give another man a cigarette.

Police said another man asked if he could have a cigarette, and after saying no, the man was shot.
That's pretty much the end of the story.

The victim was taken to the Ohio State University Wexner Medical Center. His condition is unknown. The shooting is still under investigation.

http://www.breitbart.com/InstaBlog/2...an-A-Cigarette ]]> General Discussion All Other phideaux http://www.goldismoney2.com/showthread.php?48181-Man-Shot-For-Refusing-Another-Man-A-Cigarette <![CDATA[Subprime Bubble: Obama 'Vampire Socialism' Built It]]> http://www.goldismoney2.com/showthread.php?48180-Subprime-Bubble-Obama-Vampire-Socialism-Built-It&goto=newpost Tue, 18 Jun 2013 03:25:34 GMT History Lesson

Subprime Bubble: Obama 'Vampire Socialism' Built It

Posted 09/04/2012

Housing Crisis: Previously unpublished court documents reveal that as a young lawyer from Chicago, President Obama's lawsuit against big banks started inflating the housing bubble that created the mess he says he inherited.

We have often written that the true roots of our current economic crisis lay in the excesses of the 1977 Community Reinvestment Act as redefined under the Clinton administration. We have explained how community outreach by banks, under pressure from groups such as Acorn, was transformed into the mandatory credit issuance based not of creditworthiness, but on the basis of "fairness."

"Redlining," the activists argued, was the antithesis of the American dream of owning a home. Moreover, they insisted, everyone had the "right" to own a home. So the banks were forced to issue loans to people who couldn't afford to pay them back. The banking system was forced to inflate a housing bubble that set us up for a near-catastrophic economic collapse.

This did not occur by accident, but by design at the hands of disciples of the Cloward-Piven strategy of overwhelming the system, causing it to collapse, then to be replaced by a worker's paradise of redistributed income with the individual totally subservient to the greater good.

Presidential candidate Barack Obama called it the "fundamental transformation" of America, and he was there when the seeds of collapse were planted.

The Daily Caller has obtained and analyzed previously unpublished court documents relating to a class-action lawsuit filed in 1995 by young attorney Barack Obama on behalf of three lead plaintiffs and 180 subsidiary plaintiffs against Citibank for alleged discrimination in lending practices.

As the Daily Caller relates, "Obama's lawsuit was one element of a national 'anti-redlining' campaign led by Chicago's progressive groups, who argued that banks unfairly refused to lend money to people living within so-called 'red lines' around African-American communities."

The discrimination lawsuit was initiated by Chicago progressive activist Fay Clayton in 1994. Obama's employer, lawyer Judson Miner, joined with Clayton to file a class-action lawsuit a year later. Obama later introduced himself to Clayton as an "associate" on the case.

Citibank would settle the case, with $950,000 going to the lawyers, including Obama. But it gave only $20,000 to each of the three named plaintiffs, and included $360,000 in benefits to be divided among the 183 other clients. Their portion of the settlement was not in cash, but in coupons. About half of the 186 African-American clients in Obama's lawsuit have since gone bankrupt or received foreclosure notices.

According to a 1998 Chicago Sun-Times report, Obama claimed $23,000 in billable hours for his role in the lawsuit. He would also garner large campaign donations from the mortgage industry, including at least $126,349 between 1989 and 2004, in cash, not coupons.

That settlement was only the tip of the iceberg. When Citibank, in April 1998, sought federal approval for a merger with Travelers Group, it only got OK from the Clinton administration progressives after it promised in May to provide $115 billion for anti-redlining loans. Anti-redlining promises made by other financial institutions added up to $600 billion between 1993 and 1998, according to a 2000 Treasury Department report.

We have heard a lot about the "vampire capitalism" of Bain Capital and its former chief, Mitt Romney. We have heard next to nothing about the "vampire socialism" of Barack Obama in helping to plant the seeds of economic collapse that he would exploit to his own political benefit later.

It was the progressive dreams of Barack Obama that would crash the nation's economy in 2008, wipe out at least $4 trillion in equity and help keep the unemployment rate above 8% for four years.

As president, Obama would blame his predecessor, George W. Bush, and Wall Street. But before the housing market finally collapsed, it was a young lawyer named Barack Obama who helped put the wrecking ball in motion.


Read More At Investor's Business Daily: http://news.investors.com/ibd-editor...#ixzz2WXCuCrTX ]]> General Discussion All Other Goldhedge http://www.goldismoney2.com/showthread.php?48180-Subprime-Bubble-Obama-Vampire-Socialism-Built-It Michelle Antoinette to Stay in $3,300-a-Night Dublin Hotel Suite http://www.goldismoney2.com/showthread.php?48179-Michelle-Antoinette-to-Stay-in-3-300-a-Night-Dublin-Hotel-Suite&goto=newpost Tue, 18 Jun 2013 02:10:53 GMT

Michelle to Stay in $3,300-a-Night Dublin Hotel Suite

by KEITH KOFFLER on JUNE 17, 2013, 9:18 AM

First Lady Michelle Obama is staying Monday evening in the $3,300-per-night Princess Grace suite of Dublin’s Five-Star Shelbourne Hotel, according to Irish press reports, adding some credence to accusations she is in the city for a quick vacation at taxpayer expense.

Michelle jetted to Dublin Monday afternoon Irish time after a brief stop in Belfast with President Obama, who is in the city for the two-day G-8 Summit.

The White House is billing Michelle’s trip to Dublin as having diplomatic significance, but her itinerary suggests otherwise. She and her daughters will visit the Trinity College library to explore President Obama’s Irish family roots, attend a performance by the world-famous Riverdance troupe, and visit the Wicklow Mountains national forest.

Judging by the tail number of her plane on the ground at Dublin Airport, it appears Air Force Two has been flown to Europe along with Air Force One and is being used to transport Michelle around.

The Shelbourne’s Princess Grace suite is so-named because it was often used by Grace and her husband Prince Ranier. Here’s a look inside:



The suite is the best the luxury hotel has to offer, featuring two beds, two bathrooms, four phones and three large televisions. The bedding is 100 percent Egyptian cotton and comes with turndown service, a Nespresso machine and butler service.

According to press reports out of Ireland, 30 rooms have been booked in the hotel to accomodate Michelle and her entourage, which would presumably include various staff and a bevy of Secret Service agents.

The city will be plagued by traffic jams during Michelle’s visit, and according to one report, high school and university students are in danger of being late for final exams and are advised to allow for plenty of extra time for travel.

After visiting Dublin, Mrs. Obama and her daughters will join President Obama in Berlin for the second leg of his European trip.

http://www.whitehousedossier.com/201...n-hotel-suite/ ]]> Politics Forum phideaux http://www.goldismoney2.com/showthread.php?48179-Michelle-Antoinette-to-Stay-in-3-300-a-Night-Dublin-Hotel-Suite Ron Paul: Obama’s Syria Policy Looks a Lot Like Bush’s Iraq Policy http://www.goldismoney2.com/showthread.php?48178-Ron-Paul-Obama’s-Syria-Policy-Looks-a-Lot-Like-Bush’s-Iraq-Policy&goto=newpost Tue, 18 Jun 2013 02:02:47 GMT "It's deja vu all over again."

Obama’s Syria Policy Looks a Lot Like Bush’s Iraq Policy

President Obama announced late last week that the US intelligence community had just determined that the Syrian government had used poison gas on a small scale, killing some 100 people in a civil conflict that has claimed an estimated 100,000 lives. Because of this use of gas, the president claimed, Syria had crossed his “red line” and the US must begin to arm the rebels fighting to overthrow the Syrian government.

Setting aside the question of why 100 killed by gas is somehow more important than 99,900 killed by other means, the fact is his above explanation is full of holes. The Washington Post reported this week that the decision to overtly arm the Syrian rebels was made “weeks ago” – in other words, it was made at a time when the intelligence community did not believe “with high confidence” that the Syrian government had used chemical weapons.

Further, this plan to transfer weapons to the Syrian rebels had become policy much earlier than that, as the Washington Post reported that the CIA had expanded over the past year its secret bases in Jordan to prepare for the transfer of weapons to the rebels in Syria.

The process was identical to the massive deception campaign that led us into the Iraq war. Remember the famous quote from the leaked “Downing Street Memo,” where representatives of British Prime Minister Tony Blair’s administration discussed Washington’s push for war on Iraq?

Here the head of British intelligence was reporting back to his government after a trip to Washington in the summer of 2002:

“Military action was now seen as inevitable. Bush wanted to remove Saddam, through military action, justified by the conjunction of terrorism and WMD. But the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy.”


That is exactly what the Obama Administration is doing with Syria: fixing the intelligence and facts around the already determined policy. And Congress just goes along, just as they did the last time.

We found out shortly after the Iraq war started that the facts and intelligence being fixed around the policy were nothing but lies put forth by the neo-con warmongers and the paid informants, like the infamous and admitted liar known as “Curveball.” But we seem to have learned nothing from being fooled before.

So Obama now plans to send even more weapons to the Syrian rebels even though his administration is aware that the main rebel factions havepledged their loyalty to al-Qaeda. Does anyone else see the irony? After 12 years of the “war on terror” and the struggle against al-Qaeda, the US decided to provide weapons to the allies of al-Qaeda. Does anyone really think this is a good idea?

The Obama administration promises us that this is to be a very limited operation, providing small arms only, with no plans for a no-fly zone or American boots on the ground. That sounds an awful lot like how Vietnam started. Just a few advisors. When these few small arms do not achieve the pre-determined US policy of regime change in Syria what is the administration going to do? Admit failure and pull the troops out, or escalate? History suggests the answer and it now appears to be repeating itself once again.

The president has opened a can of worms that will destroy his presidency and possibly destroy this country. Another multi-billion dollar war has begun.

http://www.the-free-foundation.org/tst6-17-2013.html ]]> Politics Forum phideaux http://www.goldismoney2.com/showthread.php?48178-Ron-Paul-Obama’s-Syria-Policy-Looks-a-Lot-Like-Bush’s-Iraq-Policy Ann sys it all, we are the gold. http://www.goldismoney2.com/showthread.php?48177-Ann-sys-it-all-we-are-the-gold&goto=newpost Tue, 18 Jun 2013 01:49:06 GMT http://barnhardt.biz/ If you know how bad the situation is and don’t feel the need to subject yourself to any more of my patented Barnhardt Phillipic and Funeral Dirge for Civilization, take your leave now, because I honestly think that this is the the saddest, most profoundly depressing post... http://barnhardt.biz/


If you know how bad the situation is and don’t feel the need to subject yourself to any more of my patented Barnhardt Phillipic and Funeral Dirge for Civilization, take your leave now, because I honestly think that this is the the saddest, most profoundly depressing post I have yet written.

And I’ve written a few.

A few thousand.

The topic is the US Dollar, and currency in general. The Federal Reserve has been willfully and systematically debasing the US dollar for a century by claiming that 2% inflation is the benchmark of a healthy economy. Since the universities and media have been overrun by Marxists, there is hardly anyone alive who A.) is in possession of the capacity to independently think and reason their way through such a question and B.) anyone who cares in the first place.

In addition to the slow grinding debasement by the Fed, the Marxists have finally fully usurped and overthrown the government of the United States, and thus have now executed the coup de grace: wild, flagrant money “printing”, and by “printing”, please understand that we are not talking about the fabrication of paper bills. We are talking about computerized entries into the Federal Reserve’s ledger. The Fed literally types in an addition of x billion or y trillion dollars into its balance sheet – creating dollars out of thin air that exist as zeroes and ones on a computer server – and then use those new dollars to purchase US Treasury bonds. In this way, the Obama regime and its puppetmasters have debased the US dollar by roughly one half the total GDP in less than four years. This iteration of both the United States and the US Dollar are over. There is no way to walk back the damage that the Obama regime has done. They have accomplished their mission, no matter what happens from this day forward.

After reading and reviewing my texts on monetary theory from Mises, Hayek, Friedman and contemporary economists including Denninger, I have come to a profound realization about money and the fiat vs commodity money (i.e. gold-backed currency) debate – and it bodes very, very poorly for us.

First, a few preliminary points.

1. Going to a gold standard will solve nothing. This is not to say that I don’t think that gold and silver are good wealth storage vehicles in this situation. To the contrary, I think they are excellent for these times. BUT, simply reverting to the gold standard, in and of itself, will not turn us around. We will, at some point, be FORCED to revert to the primordial commodity currency paradigm simply because our government and society will collapse, and thus our currency with it. If and when our culture rebuilds itself, if we remain as we are, the exact same problems that have arisen under the fiat money system will emerge again, even under a gold-backed currency.

So why has civilization, up until just within the last few decades, operated on commodity money systems, and why is it plausible to think that any fiat currency could ever have any legitimacy? The reason why civilization has used commodity money, namely gold and silver, up until just recently is because up until just recently, there was no way to instantly verify money held on deposit, or the existence of a line of credit. With computers and the internet, such instant checks are as common as breathing, blinking and walking. We don’t even think about it anymore. We go to the sandwich shop, get our sandwich, and in less than three seconds, the vendor has confirmed that we have funds, and then transferred those funds into his account. In the centuries and millennia past, people would load chests filled with gold coinage and jewels onto sailing ships and set out for distant lands. Why did they take their gold and jewels with them and risk losing that money to shipwreck or piracy? Because they had to take it with them. The only way to confirm your wealth to others was to physically possess it. Physical possession and spot exchange was also the only way to execute mercantile transactions. If we lose telecommunications and computing ability due to the successful detonation of an Electromagnetic Pulse weapon, or simply due to the total breakdown of society and the ability to maintain and power such systems, then indeed, this argument will become moot. BUT, so long as there is near-instant data transmission, commodity money will be theoretically optional (*with a qualifier to be addressed later in Part 3).

While we are looking at history, it bears mentioning that metals-backed currencies have not prevented other economic calamities. Just in the United States, the Great Depression of the 1930’s and the post-Civil War depression of 1873-1879, now called the Long Depression, which was actually caused by the manipulation of silver demand by the German Empire, were not magically prevented by metals-backed currency. Returning to a gold standard would not prevent recessions from happening. In fact, recessions are a necessary fact of economies, and serve to deflate bubbles and restore equilibrium. The only people who promise to eliminate economic recessions are Marxists, and that is because Marxists are liars. Just as all respiring beings on earth must both inhale and exhale, so too must economies. A person who perpetually inhaled would eventually burst their lungs and die. Conversely, a person who could only exhale would asphyxiate and die. But both actions, in a balanced, moderate cycle, are the definition of health. It is the same with economies: periods of expansion followed by a healthy, normal contraction that deflated any bubbles and restored equilibrium, thus setting up the next expansion phase.

2. Metals-backed currencies can be corrupted, too. There are two ways to corrupt a metals-backed currency, and it has happened many, many times throughout history. The first means pertains to coinage, and is to corrupt the metal itself with cheaper metals, such as zinc. The Roman denarius was debased from 4.5 grams of pure silver to less than one tenth of a gram of silver. Hyperinflation was the inevitable result, and the currency had to eventually be totally replaced.

The second means, which pertains to paper and electronic currency, is for the government to lie about the reserve quantity. This could either be done by explicitly lying about the number of ounces in storage, OR could be done by clandestinely issuing dollars to cronies of the oligarchy, which were NOT actually backed by any metal, and thus would be a de facto lie as to the supply. Since the people would be unable to demand a daily audit and reconciliation, the ability to police and reconcile the supply of metal and dollars would be impossible, and exactly the same things that are going on today, namely government looting of the Treasury and debasement of the currency, would continue apace.



TIME FOR THIS AGAIN: WE ARE THE GOLD 2 OF 3.... ]]> General Discussion All Other 917601 http://www.goldismoney2.com/showthread.php?48177-Ann-sys-it-all-we-are-the-gold 1933 Gold confiscation numbers. http://www.goldismoney2.com/showthread.php?48176-1933-Gold-confiscation-numbers&goto=newpost Tue, 18 Jun 2013 01:18:06 GMT http://bastiat.mises.org/2013/06/on-this-day-in-1933/ You were considered a hoarder and a slacker if you still resisted turning over your gold to the government. From the New York Times, June 13, 1933:... http://bastiat.mises.org/2013/06/on-this-day-in-1933/

You were considered a hoarder and a slacker if you still resisted turning over your gold to the government. From the New York Times, June 13, 1933:... ]]> General Discussion All Other 917601 http://www.goldismoney2.com/showthread.php?48176-1933-Gold-confiscation-numbers Ontario couple finds 400-year-old skeleton, gets $5,000 bill http://www.goldismoney2.com/showthread.php?48175-Ontario-couple-finds-400-year-old-skeleton-gets-5-000-bill&goto=newpost Tue, 18 Jun 2013 00:58:46 GMT Ontario couple finds 400-year-old skeleton, gets $5,000 bill


Sad to see other countries .gov's are just as freaking ridiculous as this one. Read the comments most people are still sane though.

Shut your pie holes folks.


A Canadian couple who recently stumbled upon a 400-year-old skeleton is now saddled with a $5,000 bill, the Star reports.
Two weeks ago, Ken Campbell of Sarnia, Ontario, came upon some bones while digging postholes in his backyard. His wife, Nicole Sauve, encouraged him to unearth the rest of the skeleton.
Ontario police, who cordoned off the area, called up forensic anthropologist Michael Spence to examine the site. Spence told the Star that the skeleton is likely that of a 24-year-old aboriginal woman who died in the late 1500s or early 1600s. Spence then contacted the Registrar of Cemeteries, which told Sauve that she and Campbell would have to hire an archeologist to examine the rest of the backyard—at their expense.

According to the Star, property owners are legally responsible to pay for such an assessment "if human remains are found on their land."
Stuck with a $5,000 bill, Sauve appealed to the mayor of Sarnia but has yet to get a clear answer about whether the government will pay. According to the Star, she might be able to make a request to the Registrar of Cemeteries to cover the costs.
Sauve told the Star that people have been telling her if they wind up in a similar situation, they won’t risk getting a bill by telling the authorities about their finds.

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WARNING: The National Security Agency is likely recording and storing this communication as part of its unlawful spying programs on all Americans ... and people worldwide. The people who created the NSA spying program say that this communication - and any responses - can and will be used against the American people at any time in the future should folks in government decide to go after us for political reasons. And private information in digital communications may be given to big companies by the government.



Mass surveillance doesn't keep us safe, and even the top national security experts say that we don't need it.

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http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2013/...m-america.html ]]> General Discussion All Other Trace http://www.goldismoney2.com/showthread.php?48172-THE-ULTIMATE-PRISM-OPT-OUT <![CDATA["We Steal Secrets: The Story of Wikileaks"]]> http://www.goldismoney2.com/showthread.php?48171-quot-We-Steal-Secrets-The-Story-of-Wikileaks-quot&goto=newpost Mon, 17 Jun 2013 23:20:21 GMT Just watched this documentary on Wikileaks/Julian Assange today. A fantastic documentary that fits perfectly in what has been going on with the Snowden/NSA leaks and the spying on Fox News/CBS/AP. Well worth the ~2 hours. You can find it online to watch if you know where to look. Here is a trailer... Just watched this documentary on Wikileaks/Julian Assange today. A fantastic documentary that fits perfectly in what has been going on with the Snowden/NSA leaks and the spying on Fox News/CBS/AP. Well worth the ~2 hours. You can find it online to watch if you know where to look. Here is a trailer for it. If you are looking for something to watch, I highly recommend it.

]]> General Discussion All Other Ahillock http://www.goldismoney2.com/showthread.php?48171-quot-We-Steal-Secrets-The-Story-of-Wikileaks-quot cartilage tear in the knee questions http://www.goldismoney2.com/showthread.php?48170-cartilage-tear-in-the-knee-questions&goto=newpost Mon, 17 Jun 2013 22:56:24 GMT My left knee has a slight tear in it. I had a bad meniscus tear about 20 years ago and they took out some cartilage obviously. I had another tear about 6 years ago that was slight and they gave me a shot and it seemed to work. I have another one on the same level as the one six years ago.... My left knee has a slight tear in it. I had a bad meniscus tear about 20 years ago and they took out some cartilage obviously.

I had another tear about 6 years ago that was slight and they gave me a shot and it seemed to work.

I have another one on the same level as the one six years ago. Maybe slightly worse.

If it's a minor tear do they take out much cartilage? I know I'm heading toward a knee replacement someday but would like to postpone as long as possible.

Could it just be some athroscopic surgery is needed. I'm annoyed with this but not in any major pain. If I step wrong it sucks.

I'm going to go in to a doctor and be looked at but does anyone have any opinions. I'm 50 years old. It's causing me problems with walking and gardening but more as a big annoyance than actual pain.

The other reason I ask is it couldn't be at a worse time in that I pick a ton of strawberries and raspberries and that craziness starts here in Minnesota in about 2-3 weeks with the late season.

Any insight or help would be appreciated.

Thanks ]]> General Discussion All Other Goldteam http://www.goldismoney2.com/showthread.php?48170-cartilage-tear-in-the-knee-questions Who Are These Guys? http://www.goldismoney2.com/showthread.php?48169-Who-Are-These-Guys&goto=newpost Mon, 17 Jun 2013 22:34:54 GMT ...I think I've got all but the 'modern' guy in the blue-ish shirt, and the white-bearded guy in the dark suit, and the black woman--anyone know them? and who's the chick, a Kardashian? thX all...
]]> General Discussion All Other Emc2 http://www.goldismoney2.com/showthread.php?48169-Who-Are-These-Guys <![CDATA[Elbert Guillory: "Why I Am a Republican"]]> http://www.goldismoney2.com/showthread.php?48168-Elbert-Guillory-quot-Why-I-Am-a-Republican-quot&goto=newpost Mon, 17 Jun 2013 22:26:31 GMT Louisiana Senator Elbert Guillory (R-Opelousas) explains why he recently switched from the Democrat Party to the Republican Party. He discusses the history of the Republican Party, founded as an Abolitionist Movement in 1854. Guillory talks about how the welfare state is only a mechanism for... Louisiana Senator Elbert Guillory (R-Opelousas) explains why he recently switched from the Democrat Party to the Republican Party. He discusses the history of the Republican Party, founded as an Abolitionist Movement in 1854. Guillory talks about how the welfare state is only a mechanism for politicians to control the black community.

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