The Latest on Obama's Birth Certificate - And now the Governor...

[phideaux]

Hawaii governor can't find Obama birth certificate

<!-- deck -->Suggests controversy could hurt president's re-election chances




<HR SIZE=1>Posted: January 18, 2011
8:05 pm Eastern

By Jerome R. Corsi
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Neil Abercrombie



</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>Hawaii Gov. Neil Abercrombie suggested in an interview published today that a long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate for Barack Obama may not exist within the vital records maintained by the Hawaii Department of Health.

Abercrombie told the Honolulu Star Advertiser he was searching within the Hawaii Department of Health to find definitive vital records that would prove Obama was born in Hawaii, because the continuing eligibility controversy could hurt the president's chances of re-election in 2012.

Donalyn Dela Cruz, Abercrombie's spokeswoman in Honolulu, ignored again yesterday another in a series of repeated requests made by WND for an interview with the governor.

Toward the end of the interview, the newspaper asked Abercrombie: "You stirred up quite a controversy with your comments regarding birthers and your plan to release more information regarding President Barack Obama's birth certificate. How is that coming?"

In his response, Abercrombie acknowledged the birth certificate issue will have "political implications" for the next presidential election "that we simply cannot have."

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Suggesting he was still intent on producing more birth records on Obama from the Hawaii Department of Health vital records vault, Abercrombie told the newspaper there was a recording of the Obama birth in the state archives that he wants to make public

Abercrombie did not report to the newspaper that he or the Hawaii Department of Health had found Obama's long-form, hospital-generated brth certificate. The governor only suggested his investigations to date had identified an unspecified listing or notation of Obama's birth that someone had made in the state archives.

"It was actually written, I am told, this is what our investigation is showing, it actually exists in the archives, written down," Abercrombie said.

For seemingly the first time, Abercrombie frankly acknowledge that presidential politics motivated his search for Obama birth records, implying that failure to resolve the questions that remain unanswered about the president's birth and early life may damage his chance for re-election.

"If there is a political agenda (regarding Obama's birth certificate), then there is nothing I can do about that, nor can the president," he said.

So far, the only birth document available on Obama is a Hawaii Certification of Live Birth that first appeared on the Internet during the 2008 presidential campaign. It was posted by two purportedly independent websites that have displayed a strong partisan bias for Obama – Snopes.com released the COLB in June 2008, and FactCheck.org published photographs of the document in August 2008.

WND previously reported the Hawaii Department of Health has refused to authenticate the COLB posted on the Internet by Snopes.com and FactCheck.org.

WND has reported that in 1961, Obama's grandparents, Stanley and Madelyn Dunham, could have made an in-person report of a Hawaii birth even if the infant Barack Obama Jr. had been foreign-born.

Similarly, the newspaper announcements of Obama's birth do not prove he was born in Hawaii, since they could have been triggered by the grandparents registering the birth as Hawaiian, even if the baby was born elsewhere.

Moreover, WND has documented that the address reported in the newspaper birth announcements was the home of the grandparents.

WND also has reported that Barack Obama Sr. maintained his own separate apartment in Honolulu, even after he was supposedly married to Ann Dunham, Barack Obama's mother, and that Dunham left Hawaii within three weeks of the baby's birth to attend the University of Washington in Seattle.

Dunham did not return to Hawaii until after Barack Obama Sr. left Hawaii in June 1962 to attend graduate school at Harvard University in Cambridge, Mass.

Conceivably, the yet undisclosed birth record in the state archives that Abercrombie has discovered may have come from the grandparents registering Obama's birth, an event that would have triggered both the newspaper birth announcements and availability of a Certification of Live Birth, even if no long-form birth certificate existed.

WND has also reported that Tim Adams, a former senior elections clerk for the city and county of Honolulu in 2008, has maintained that there is no long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate on file with the Hawaii Department of Health and that neither Honolulu hospital – Queens Medical Center or Kapiolani Medical Center – has any record that Obama was born there.



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[GoldWampum]

Anyone else wondering if maybe his own party is setting up to take him down? I mean as of today you have 26 states joining the lawsuit to take down Obamacare... he's getting weaker and looking more ineffective. Let the states and the people figure out they can over rule the SCOTUS and it's hell to pay for the Fed. Next might be guns, etc. They need a super sized distraction.

[Son of Gloin]

Anyone else wondering if maybe his own party is setting up to take him down? I mean as of today you have 26 states joining the lawsuit to take down Obamacare... he's getting weaker and looking more ineffective. Let the states and the people figure out they can over rule the SCOTUS and it's hell to pay for the Fed. Next might be guns, etc. They need a super sized distraction.

That's worrisome. All kinds of supersized dstractions might be manufactured, to help people take their minds off other important issues.

[Irons]

That's worrisome. All kinds of supersized dstractions might be manufactured, to help people take their minds off other important issues.

Good point, they can't have congresscritters shot every day and they bungled the last one.

So now a birth certif cannot be found? What a bunch of lying sacks of s**t these hussein worshippers are.

It's going to be fun watching the losing left turn on thier own, again.~

[phideaux]

From the look of Abercrombie's photo, he's lucky he can find anything. Too much Maui Wowwie.

[Son of Gloin]

Good point, they can't have congresscritters shot every day and they bungled the last one.

So now a birth certif cannot be found? What a bunch of lying sacks of s**t these hussein worshippers are.

It's going to be fun watching the losing left turn on thier own, again.~

Irons! New avatar. Awesome!

[gringott]

When it was discovered that the Clintons were in bed with the Red Chinese, taking cash, and had passed technological secrets to them as a matter of policy, suddenly the Monica Lewinsky scandal erupted.
Always remember to not look at what they want you to look at.
The puppet Obama has served his purpose. They know even the sheeple are saying WTF?
So they have to change to another puppet.
Understand that the founding documents such as the Constitution are no longer in effect, unless they want to use it against you.
We are a nation owned by Elite Banking Cartels. That's the fact, live with it.

They could put Juan Valdez, the Columbian coffee guy in the office and it would not matter. Tim Giethner is the power rep of the elite in government, and Daley has just been put in the White House to keep an eye on Obama. Just in case.

[bemac]

That's worrisome. All kinds of supersized dstractions might be manufactured, to help people take their minds off other important issues.

IMHO, this whole idea that he is not a citizen is a distraction from other more important issues.

[gold miser]

That's worrisome. All kinds of supersized dstractions might be manufactured, to help people take their minds off other important issues.

typical blow smoke up everyones a$$ is right on target to get the sheep looking another direction, and when that happens some other crap is getting ready to flow down the pipeline!

[keepitlow]

IMHO, this whole idea that he is not a citizen is a distraction from other more important issues.

Don't know?

Why does he just not come out on TV and settle this matter?

[bemac]

Don't know?

Why does he just not come out on TV and settle this matter?

Because it is a good distraction from other issues, in his favor.

Whether or not he is a citizen is actually irrelevant. If he isn't, no one will ever be able to prove it, at least not to the degree Americans would care. It's a battle you cannot win. And while people fight that battle, Democrats get to talk about "birthers" rather than the $14 trillion debt and never-ending wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Pakistan.

[Gcubed]

Don't know?

Why does he just not come out on TV and settle this matter?

His HUGE Ego!

He's giving a big finger to those who'd dare to question him.

[GOLD DUCK]

QWAK,I am inclined to believe that IT is part of the ultimit plan to CRASH and END the US GOVERNMENT -- first they will DEFAULT on national DEBT obligations THEN admit that we all got SCAMED and EVERY THING done is no longer RELIVENT or LEGAL causing a mess so big it can NOT be fixed or UNDONE!

A NEW GOVERNMENT will be nessary to set things right (?) which was what THEY wanted and intended all along!

the DUCK

[Haole]

A "sovereign" (not that the U.S. is a sovereign entity), political building 7. Piece of cake...

[nergal]

IMHO, this whole idea that he is not a citizen is a distraction from other more important issues.

Ditto. Some folks are able to discern what is real and what is important vs. what is fanciful and wishful thinking. Some are not . . . . Both birthers and truthers cannot perceive reality due to the interference from their foil hats . . .

BTW, I despise Obama, but I don't let that lead me to irrational thinking.

[Juristic Person]

This is just a diversion from the bigger issue which is - it doesn't make one difference who the "President" actually is. The President is the man in front of the curtain. What we really should be focusing on is who is BEHIND the curtain that is pulling the strings of the President before the people. Once you realize and can accept that real authority comes from ABOVE the presidency, you will begin to see the bigger picture and realize that they could stick a chimp in the oval office and it wouldn't make a difference.

The birth certificate issue is a valid one but there are bigger fish to fry. For the record, I do not believe Obama was born in Hawaii (or anywhere else in the U.S.).

[nergal]

. . . . . . they could stick a chimp in the oval office and it wouldn't make a difference.

Been there, done that.

[gold miser]

This is just a diversion from the bigger issue which is - it doesn't make one difference who the "President" actually is. The President is the man in front of the curtain. What we really should be focusing on is who is BEHIND the curtain that is pulling the strings of the President before the people. Once you realize and can accept that real authority comes from ABOVE the presidency, you will begin to see the bigger picture and realize that they could stick a chimp in the oval office and it wouldn't make a difference.

The birth certificate issue is a valid one but there are bigger fish to fry. For the record, I do not believe Obama was born in Hawaii (or anywhere else in the U.S.).

Right you are, there have been presidents with a set, but O blunder is not one of them he has more string tied to him than a kite flying contest. We have seen what happens to leaders around the world that have tried to do good.all our gov. is in the business now is feeding off the people! It's not FOR THE PEOPLE but what can we TAKE FROM THE PEOPLE!

[phideaux]

Lord Obama could have been born in the f***ing Lincoln Bedroom of the White House and he still would not be eligible to be president.

His father was indisputably a British/Kenyan national, therefor so at birth so was Baby Barry.

Baby Barry may have been born in the U.,S and he may be a U.S. citizen, but he is not and never can be a Natural-Born Citizen, which is what the U.S. Constitution requires.

[Colonial Revolutionary]

Lord Obama could have been born in the f***ing Lincoln Bedroom of the White House and he still would not be eligible to be president.

His father was indisputably a British/Kenyan national, therefor so at birth so was Baby Barry.

Baby Barry may have been born in the U.,S and he may be a U.S. citizen, but he is not and never can be a Natural-Born Citizen, which is what the U.S. Constitution requires.

That is not how I understand it. If he was born in the US he would be a US citizen (just think illegal aliens). If he was born in a foreign country both of his parents would have to be US citizens in order for him to be a US citizen. If he was born in Hawaii he is a US citizen and eligible to be President. If he was born outside the US he is not eligible to be President. At least that is how I understand it. Please correct me if I am wrong.

[phideaux]

That is not how I understand it. If he was born in the US he would be a US citizen (just think illegal aliens). If he was born in a foreign country both of his parents would have to be US citizens in order for him to be a US citizen. If he was born in Hawaii he is a US citizen and eligible to be President. If he was born outside the US he is not eligible to be President. At least that is how I understand it. Please correct me if I am wrong.

The widely accepted definition of a "natural born citizen" at the time the U.S Constitution was written was that both parents had to be citizens of that country and (not or) the child must have been born in that country as well. The idea was that the president should have absolutely none, zero, nada even potential influence from a foreign country.

Note that "natural born citizen" is a different concept from "native born citizen" or a "naturalized citizen".

There's some good info here, and at many other web sites.
http://people.mags.net/tonchen/birthers.htm

[Hystckndle]

That is a good site Phideaux,
Thanks !
Haystackneedle

[phideaux]

That is a good site Phideaux,
Thanks !
Haystackneedle

Howdy Haystack.

Love your new avatar.

[southfork]

What an excerise in futility, it's like looking for that gold coin you know you sold last week, it's something you dont have, how can you find what does not exist.