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    Moody's cuts BofA, Wells Fargo and Citi ratings

    On Wednesday September 21, 2011, 2:14 pm EDT

    NEW YORK (AP) -- Moody's Investors Service lowered the debt ratings for Bank of America Corp., Wells Fargo & Co. and Citigroup Inc., saying it is now less likely that the U.S. government would step in and prevent the lenders from failing in a crisis.

    The ratings firm said Wednesday that it believes the government is likely to provide some level of support for financial institutions, but is also more likely now than during the 2008 financial crisis to allow a large bank to fail should it become financially troubled.

    The downgrades were widely expected after the three banks were placed on review by the ratings agency in June. They also stem partly from new laws that went into effect under the Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform Act that was passed last year. The new law ended the possibility of the government bailing out a large financial firm and creates a way to liquidate failed financials.

    Bank of America was the worst hit -- with a two-notch downgrade in its key long-term debt ratings to Baa1 from A2. Wells Fargo's long-term debt was downgraded by one notch to A2 from A1, while Citigroup's rating remained the same at A3. However, Moody's downgraded Citi's short-term debt.

    Moody's also downgraded the rating on both Bank of America and Wells Fargo for deposits.

    All of the ratings are investment grade.

    http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Moodys...39162.html?x=0
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    Default Re: Moody's cuts BofA, Wells Fargo and Citi ratings

    Moody's is really going out on a limb here. I guess they figure that risk has increased since our allegedly capitalist goobermint will draw the line at only one multi-billion dollar corporate bailout per company. I wonder if there's a "too big to fail" time limit and each company can shoot themselves in the foot and get a tax payer supported "do-over" only once every 10 yrs or so. Sorry guys we looted honest Americans to pay for your last self inflicted collapse...you're now off the too big to fail list until 2018...at which time you may fail and we'll again rob everyone to pay your executives' boats off.

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    I don't know if this was justified or not, but I have been looking for an excuse to quit B of A for a while now. The fact that they were giving credit to illegals galled me but I was too lazy to make the change. When they accepted bailout money I wanted to switch but was too lazy to do it (I'm busy, O.K?). I currently bank with three banks - M&T, PNC, and B of A. Tomorrow, I will make the move to open a fourth account and transfer all my B of A assets over to the new bank. Thinking of going with a small, no-name, hometown bank this time. Smurf B of A.
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    The report came out at 2:14 PM EDT. Does this mean it was announced after the markets closed?

    I'm just curious as, well, if the markets haven't digested this yet it could have some small impact on how
    things play tomorrow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Argentsum View Post
    The report came out at 2:14 PM EDT. Does this mean it was announced after the markets closed?

    I'm just curious as, well, if the markets haven't digested this yet it could have some small impact on how
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    BOA, WF, JPM, Sh*ttyBank let 'em fail!

    It's the only way to reboot the system.
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    Quote Originally Posted by phideaux View Post
    Markets in New York close at 4:00 PM ET
    Thanks, I translated when it already was. Time travel is an occasional source of confusion for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CiscoKid View Post
    I don't know if this was justified or not, but I have been looking for an excuse to quit B of A for a while now. The fact that they were giving credit to illegals galled me but I was too lazy to make the change. When they accepted bailout money I wanted to switch but was too lazy to do it (I'm busy, O.K?). I currently bank with three banks - M&T, PNC, and B of A. Tomorrow, I will make the move to open a fourth account and transfer all my B of A assets over to the new bank. Thinking of going with a small, no-name, hometown bank this time. Smurf B of A.
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    Someone I know recently tried to cash a BofA-drawn check at a BofA branch and was unsuccessful even though the personnel believed she was who she identified herself to be, but because she did not have the "required forms" of ID they would not cash the check. Even a birth certificate was not enough. I'm sorry, but that doesn't cut it. A check is an order to pay, it should be negotiable as such.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ragnarok View Post
    Someone I know recently tried to cash a BofA-drawn check at a BofA branch and was unsuccessful even though the personnel believed she was who she identified herself to be, but because she did not have the "required forms" of ID they would not cash the check. Even a birth certificate was not enough. I'm sorry, but that doesn't cut it. A check is an order to pay, it should be negotiable as such.

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    Not really sure what a birth cert does....I can get a copy of your cert and clean out your accounts then? I really don't blame them for wanting official government issued photo id. I don't buy the argument that id should not be required to vote either....
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    Sinclair said the banks that took bail out money would be the ones to experience 'problems' like this...
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    Wednesday September 21, 2011, 2:14 pm EDT ???

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