Some of my misgivings about RP

[faith]

Please forgive me for being a wet blanket but my misgivings about RP just don’t go away. Two things, first of less importance and only because of his scheduled appearance on the daily show, is the nagging discomfort with making himself common grist for the voracious entertainment mill. With age going against him and a supposedly serious message, he should use age to his advantage by coming off as an ‘Elder’, someone to be respected, not a jokey pal, in a long line of jokey pals, on comedy central.
But more importantly, I sometimes wonder if he is meant to give hope (Hope = substitute for political action) to the Internet Intelligentsia, of which Gimmers would be a part of. If there was no Ron Paul what would we be doing? Wouldn’t we be giving up on the system to which he has loyally served for decades? Wouldn’t we be searching for alternatives, more desperate for alternatives, whether within ourselves, or likeminded folk, public or private? Does he keep people like you and me believing, albeit ever so half-heartedly, that there is hope in the system, when many of us left to our own resources would not believe such. Is his purpose to keep potential ‘troublemakers’ calm and passive in front of the tv WATCHING the Jon Stewarts and then discussing the shows, talking about ratings, blah, blah talking head juniors, instead of creatively thinking, coming together with different ideas and taking risks in community action? In the last half year or so, I’ve felt that we need, not to "take back our country" like you hear many say, but forget it, we need a New Country, Pilgrims once again, leaving the globalists/tribalists behind. What makes these fantasies go bye-bye? Why, hope of a Ron Paul getting elected!.. If he’s meant to channel and keep the intelligence, brainstorming, and energy of folks like me and you contained within the paradyme, could it be working?

[Goldhedge]

Please forgive me for being a wet blanket but my misgivings about RP just don’t go away. Two things, first of less importance and only because of his scheduled appearance on the daily show, is the nagging discomfort with making himself common grist for the voracious entertainment mill. With age going against him and a supposedly serious message, he should use age to his advantage by coming off as an ‘Elder’, someone to be respected, not a jokey pal, in a long line of jokey pals, on comedy central.

If mainstream media would give him the time of day he deserves, he probably wouldn't entertain the 'entertainment' sector...

But more importantly, I sometimes wonder if he is meant to give hope (Hope = substitute for political action) to the Internet Intelligentsia, of which Gimmers would be a part of. If there was no Ron Paul what would we be doing? Wouldn’t we be giving up on the system to which he has loyally served for decades? Wouldn’t we be searching for alternatives, more desperate for alternatives, whether within ourselves, or likeminded folk, public or private? Does he keep people like you and me believing, albeit ever so half-heartedly, that there is hope in the system, when many of us left to our own resources would not believe such. Is his purpose to keep potential ‘troublemakers’ calm and passive in front of the tv WATCHING the Jon Stewarts and then discussing the shows, talking about ratings, blah, blah talking head juniors, instead of creatively thinking, coming together with different ideas and taking risks in community action? In the last half year or so, I’ve felt that we need, not to "take back our country" like you hear many say, but forget it, we need a New Country, Pilgrims once again, leaving the globalists/tribalists behind. What makes these fantasies go bye-bye? Why, hope of a Ron Paul getting elected!.. If he’s meant to channel and keep the intelligence, brainstorming, and energy of folks like me and you contained within the paradyme, could it be working?

Probably better for us to believe Hope and Change is the answer... hopefully?

[gringott]

The Problem is not Ron Paul.... The Problem is the Other Candidates.

My misgivings about the others makes Paul a shining example of purity.

I spoke to a Doctor yesterday who was promoting Cain, when I mentioned the MSM would not tell that he was a former deputy chairman (1992–94) and chairman (1995–96) of the board of directors to the Federal Reserve Bank of Kansas City, he was shocked.

He said two times "I did not know that".

We have always been tricked, this year is not a change.

[Hope+Change]

But more importantly, I sometimes wonder if he is meant to give hope (Hope = substitute for political action) to the Internet Intelligentsia, of which Gimmers would be a part of. If there was no Ron Paul what would we be doing? Wouldn’t we be giving up on the system to which he has loyally served for decades? Wouldn’t we be searching for alternatives, more desperate for alternatives, whether within ourselves, or likeminded folk, public or private? Does he keep people like you and me believing, albeit ever so half-heartedly, that there is hope in the system, when many of us left to our own resources would not believe such. Is his purpose to keep potential ‘troublemakers’ calm and passive in front of the tv WATCHING the Jon Stewarts and then discussing the shows, talking about ratings, blah, blah talking head juniors, instead of creatively thinking, coming together with different ideas and taking risks in community action? In the last half year or so, I’ve felt that we need, not to "take back our country" like you hear many say, but forget it, we need a New Country, Pilgrims once again, leaving the globalists/tribalists behind. What makes these fantasies go bye-bye? Why, hope of a Ron Paul getting elected!.. If he’s meant to channel and keep the intelligence, brainstorming, and energy of folks like me and you contained within the paradyme, could it be working?

He is only one man.

Our society is composed of 300 million individuals working and thinking independently of each other. They hold the power, whether they realize it or not. Several hundred thousand RP supporters seemingly cannot change their thoughts, feelings, or actions, no matter how much we'd like to. Ultimately it is up to the masses to decide which direction they want their country to take. The best we can do is network locally and work towards creating productive enterprises as best we can.

Some people are taking action and looking for alternatives. Have you heard of intentional communities? It is when a group of individuals buy or share rural property for food production, living off-grid, and living a communal lifestyle free from 9-5 jobs and excessive debt/bills. They are very uncommon, but do exist across the country. www.permies.com is a forum with a nice mixture of RP libertarians who disagree with the system and environmental hippies who love nature(and may or may not disagree with the system).

[honu5050]

Please forgive me for being a wet blanket but my misgivings about RP just don’t go away. Two things, first of less importance and only because of his scheduled appearance on the daily show, is the nagging discomfort with making himself common grist for the voracious entertainment mill. With age going against him and a supposedly serious message, he should use age to his advantage by coming off as an ‘Elder’, someone to be respected, not a jokey pal, in a long line of jokey pals, on comedy central.
But more importantly, I sometimes wonder if he is meant to give hope (Hope = substitute for political action) to the Internet Intelligentsia, of which Gimmers would be a part of. If there was no Ron Paul what would we be doing? Wouldn’t we be giving up on the system to which he has loyally served for decades? Wouldn’t we be searching for alternatives, more desperate for alternatives, whether within ourselves, or likeminded folk, public or private? Does he keep people like you and me believing, albeit ever so half-heartedly, that there is hope in the system, when many of us left to our own resources would not believe such. Is his purpose to keep potential ‘troublemakers’ calm and passive in front of the tv WATCHING the Jon Stewarts and then discussing the shows, talking about ratings, blah, blah talking head juniors, instead of creatively thinking, coming together with different ideas and taking risks in community action? In the last half year or so, I’ve felt that we need, not to "take back our country" like you hear many say, but forget it, we need a New Country, Pilgrims once again, leaving the globalists/tribalists behind. What makes these fantasies go bye-bye? Why, hope of a Ron Paul getting elected!.. If he’s meant to channel and keep the intelligence, brainstorming, and energy of folks like me and you contained within the paradyme, could it be working?

not with the freethinkers such as yourself.... your on the bullseye 99.9 percent. voting a fix.. its all rigged. cheers.

[hoarder]

I sometimes wonder if he is meant to give hope (Hope = substitute for political action) to the Internet Intelligentsia, of which Gimmers would be a part of.

Your post mirrors my view of Ron Paul. If there was one, just one viable candidate that could give us any real hope that the sad direction of our once great Republic could be turned around by working within the system, then the first and most important issue he would be addressing is electronic voting. Without a viable system to count votes, there is no hope whatsoever in working within the system.

[bemac]

But more importantly, I sometimes wonder if he is meant to give hope (Hope = substitute for political action) to the Internet Intelligentsia, of which Gimmers would be a part of. If there was no Ron Paul what would we be doing?

I find myself to be a prime example, evidence if you will, that the message has to be brought first. People have to know what's wrong, and why it's wrong before real change can begin. Paul has been that educator. If it were not for Paul, I would not be here, on this forum. It was he who sparked my interest, opened my eyes and let me see the truth. And I am certainly not alone. I only wish I had known of Paul years earlier. Paul was polling at about 2% in 2008, if that. He's polling 4 to 6 times higher this year. I'm sure "they" would be happier if his message were buried, instead it's being spread. And not just in the US, but all over the world.

[bemac]

Your post mirrors my view of Ron Paul. If there was one, just one viable candidate that could give us any real hope that the sad direction of our once great Republic could be turned around by working within the system, then the first and most important issue he would be addressing is electronic voting. Without a viable system to count votes, there is no hope whatsoever in working within the system.

If Paul was that man, he'd be black and president right now.

[phideaux]

Crystal ball/remote viewing mode on:

I predict...

Drumroll please...

The good news is that Ron Paul finishes 2nd to Mitt Romulan for the nomination. (Honestly, I'd take it.)

The better news is that Ron Paul's efforts pave the way for Rand Paul in 2016. (If it's not too late for America.)

Crystal ball/remote viewer off .

[EO 11110]

i dont care if he's working for satan or has teenage prisoners in his basement. he's affecting the change that i desire.

huge growth since 2007

worthy paul jr working the senate

patience grasshoppah - we are closing the gap every day

[hoarder]

One has to wonder if if Ron Paul is affecting change or if the internet is affecting change and Ron Paul just happens to be there to fill the void to lead them.

[Book]

Wouldn’t we be giving up on the system to which he has loyally served for decades?

Ron Paul has been IN CONGRESS since 1976...lol.

change we can believe in

[glockngold]

that's funny!

i dont care if he's working for satan or has teenage prisoners in his basement.

[TimoneX]

Ron Paul has been IN CONGRESS since 1976...lol.

Not so. Ron Paul was first elected to Congress in 1976, but he has not been a Congressman contiguously since that time. 76-77, 79-85, & 1997-present. He has repeatedly submitted proposals for term limits and holds the most conservative voting record since FDR was president. He most definitely believes the Constitution is the highest law of the land and behaves accordingly.

[hoarder]

He most definitely believes

Do you have ESP? How does one know what a politician believes? All I know is what they say.


Do you believe what politicians say equates to what politicians really think?

[TimoneX]

Don't be ridiculous. Politicians are lying narcissistic manipulative scum as a general rule. I don't trust a single word a politician says until they have a history of proving that they vote the way they speak. Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich are the only two that immediately come to mind that have satisfied this requirement for me and I dislike Dennis' positions.

[hoarder]

Don't be ridiculous. Politicians are lying narcissistic manipulative scum as a general rule. I don't trust a single word a politician says until they have a history of proving that they vote the way they speak. Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich are the only two that immediately come to mind that have satisfied this requirement for me and I dislike Dennis' positions.

Ron Paul has proven himself in a position that has little consequence. This is no guarantee that his behavior would be the same if he was in the White House (not that I think he ever would be).

[TimoneX]

...and yet someone will be elected POTUS next year. I cannot think of a candidate I trust more than Ron Paul and his vow to legalize the US Constitution. Even if by some miracle he wins, I will not turn a blind eye to his actions. If he betrays us the way the last two presidents have I will be pissed and will truly believe our situation is hopeless and that real change without violence is impossible.

Who do you trust to lead this failing nation?

Ron Paul has been in a position of authority that encourages theft, oppression, and treason against the American people. I've seen no evidence to date that he's succumbed to this temptation that corrupts so many that may or may not have entered Congressional races with pure hearts. Are we to group RP with the rest of Congress just because he's among the corrupt?

[hoarder]

I will vote for Ron Paul, not that I think it will matter, but I circumvent Diebold voting machines by absentee voting. It doesn't cost me anything to vote for the apparent lesser of evils.

Who do I trust to lead the nation? LOL? I trust Diebold Inc. to select the president who best suits the agendas of the banking elite, as they have been doing for years.

"The people who cast votes decide nothing. The people who count votes decide everything."
-- Josef Stalin

[TimoneX]

I sincerely hope your pessimism is unwarranted...despite evidence to the contrary.