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    FASCISM ANYONE? THE 14 DEFINING CHARACTERISTICS OF FASCISM BY DR. LAWRENCE BRITT

    Originally published in the Spring 2003 edition of Free Inquiry Magazine

    Dr. Lawrence Britt has examined the fascist regimes of Hitler (Germany), Mussolini (Italy), Franco (Spain), Suharto (Indonesia) and several Latin American regimes. He found 14 defining characteristics common to each:

    1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism - Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.

    2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights - Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.

    3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause - The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial, ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.

    4. Supremacy of the Military - Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.

    5. Rampant Sexism - The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Divorce, abortion and homosexuality are suppressed and the state is represented as the ultimate guardian of the family institution.

    6. Controlled Mass Media - Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.

    7. Obsession with National Security - Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.

    8. Religion and Government are Intertwined - Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.

    9. Corporate Power is Protected - The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.

    10. Labor Power is Suppressed - Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed.

    11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts - Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts and letters is openly attacked.

    12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment - Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.

    13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption - Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.

    14. Fraudulent Elections - Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.

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    Default Re: FASCISM ANYONE? THE 14 DEFINING CHARACTERISTICS OF FASCISM BY DR. LAWRENCE BRITT

    I think we are there........

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    Default Re: FASCISM ANYONE? THE 14 DEFINING CHARACTERISTICS OF FASCISM BY DR. LAWRENCE BRITT

    Those aren't the defining characteristics of fascists! All he did was make a list of nasty assed characteristics common to totalitarians of all stripes. If he wanted to show defining characteristics of fascism, he would have shown the values, tenets and resulting ruling methodology that sets fascist apart from any other ruling philosophy and then show how the malignant practices naturally follow. What about the characteristic so common to the 20th Century communists: the propensity to shoot millions of their citizens in the head and bury them in shallow unmarked graves for the crime of disagreeing with the regime.
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    This is horrifying. The only two items on this list that aren't EASILY identifiable in the U.S. are numbers one and eleven, and I can see instances where the government is making an attempted attack on them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scorpio View Post
    1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism - Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.
    Worship of the flag; "America - love it or leave it!" (in the context of, support the government, or GTFO) - CHECK


    Quote Originally Posted by Scorpio View Post
    2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights - Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.
    Planned suspension of the American Constitution, 1987 (see exchange between Representative Jack Brooks & Oliver North in Congressional hearing, below); suspension of Habeas Corpus, effective with the NDAA of 2012 - CHECK

    (many other examples can be laid out)


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    3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause - The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial, ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.
    "Terrorists" - the plastic (i.e., means anything the government wants) Public Enemy #1. If you oppose the geopolitical aims of the US Federal regime, you are a "terrorist" - CHECK


    Quote Originally Posted by Scorpio View Post
    4. Supremacy of the Military - Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.
    Worship of soldiers and the armed forces in general; soldiers are "living gods"; "Americaaaaa! F**k Yeah!" - CHECK


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    5. Rampant Sexism - The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Divorce, abortion and homosexuality are suppressed and the state is represented as the ultimate guardian of the family institution.
    The females within the Federal regime - Clinton, Napolitano, Kagan, et.al. - are masculine, butch types. And despite there being plenty of homosexuals within the Federal regime, including within the Republican Party (Larry Craig, Mark Foley, Jeff Gannon, et.al. - just like Ernst Röhm and his boys), "family values" are promoted by the most vehement warmonger types, so - CHECK


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    6. Controlled Mass Media - Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.
    This is obvious to most - CHECK


    Quote Originally Posted by Scorpio View Post
    7. Obsession with National Security - Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.
    ANYTHING & EVERYTHING is justified or excused with the claim of "National Security" (see the Brooks/North exchange) - CHECK


    Quote Originally Posted by Scorpio View Post
    8. Religion and Government are Intertwined - Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.
    Money is America's god, the military are America's saints - CHECK


    Quote Originally Posted by Scorpio View Post
    9. Corporate Power is Protected - The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.
    Again, so obvious no explanation needed - CHECK


    Quote Originally Posted by Scorpio View Post
    10. Labor Power is Suppressed - Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed.
    However much people hate unions for their often justified disdain over corporate union abuses, this is true, unions are being destroyed - CHECK


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    11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts - Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts and letters is openly attacked.
    Specifically, the Federal regime and its corporate owners have achieved Gleichschaltung - "coordination" - the alignment of academia with their aims, and the suppression of independent academics (like Norman Finkelstein) is achieved - CHECK


    Quote Originally Posted by Scorpio View Post
    12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment - Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.
    Another one so obvious, no explanation needed - CHECK


    Quote Originally Posted by Scorpio View Post
    13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption - Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.
    Yet another so obvious, practiced by both wings of the One-Party State, no explanation needed - CHECK


    Quote Originally Posted by Scorpio View Post
    14. Fraudulent Elections - Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.
    Decision by Diebold. CHECK


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    Quote Originally Posted by TomD View Post
    Those aren't the defining characteristics of fascists! All he did was make a list of nasty assed characteristics common to totalitarians of all stripes. If he wanted to show defining characteristics of fascism, he would have shown the values, tenets and resulting ruling methodology that sets fascist apart from any other ruling philosophy and then show how the malignant practices naturally follow. What about the characteristic so common to the 20th Century communists: the propensity to shoot millions of their citizens in the head and bury them in shallow unmarked graves for the crime of disagreeing with the regime.
    TomD. A victim of fascism.

    The New World Order (and its primary engine, the Federal regime) have "advanced" to the point where mass murder of its own subjects is no longer required. Television is the number one tool to overcome the need to slaughter people. However, plenty of killing - of folks external - is still going on, and, like in 1984, the New World Order's aim is not merely to extinguish its internal enemies, but to convert them...


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    'I don't know. I can guess. In the Ministry of Love.'

    'Do you know how long you have been here?'

    'I don't know. Days, weeks, months -- I think it is months.'

    'And why do you imagine that we bring people to this place?'

    'To make them confess.'

    'No, that is not the reason. Try again.'

    'To punish them.'

    'No!' exclaimed O'Brien. His voice had changed extraordinarily, and his face had suddenly become both stern and animated. 'No! Not merely to extract your confession, not to punish you. Shall I tell you why we have brought you here? To cure you! To make you sane! Will you understand, Winston, that no one whom we bring to this place ever leaves our hands uncured? We are not interested in those stupid crimes that you have committed. The Party is not interested in the overt act: the thought is all we care about. We do not merely destroy our enemies, we change them. Do you understand what I mean by that?'

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShirleyUGeste View Post
    This is horrifying. The only two items on this list that aren't EASILY identifiable in the U.S. are numbers one and eleven, and I can see instances where the government is making an attempted attack on them.
    Please read my analysis, and reconsider. I assert all of them are active.

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    Looks like we hit everything but number 5, and a partial hit on number 8.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShirleyUGeste View Post
    This is horrifying. The only two items on this list that aren't EASILY identifiable in the U.S. are numbers one and eleven, and I can see instances where the government is making an attempted attack on them.
    On anti-intellectualism, on a whim, I checked tonight's schedule on the commercial "educational" channels:
    • History Channel - "Pawn Stars". i.e. Huge overweight badly dressed guys that run a pawn store.
    • A&E (Arts & Entertainment) - "Hoarders" tabloidism focused on hoarding obsession
    • Bravo (Once focused on Arts) - "Real Housewives of Atlanta" - very entitled women
    • Discovery Channel - "American Chopper" Dis-functional family fighting for years over motorcycle business
    • TLC (The Learning Channel) - "Half-Ton Mom", "My 600-lb Life", "Hoarding Buried Alive"
    • National Geographic Channel - (police are good night) "CIA vs Terrorists", "Alaska State Troopers", "Outlaw Bikers - Masters of Mayhem"
    • The Science Channel - Tonight is re-runs of "Build it Bigger" from a few years ago when they actually had science shows. Never fear, "Idiot Abroad" is on later in the week.


    They have ceased, for the most part, in showing anything having to do with educated critically thinking people. It's been replaced by glamorizing "Bubba", waving the American flag (instead of raising the red flag), promoting the police & military, and keeping people scared of terrorists and/or distracted by all sorts of non-sexual perversions. And these are the channels for the educated or those wanting an education. These channels are a minority in the sea of 100s of channels devoted to all aspects of sports, pop culture, and pseudo news.

    Joseph Goebbels would be proud.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HairHopper View Post
    On anti-intellectualism, on a whim, I checked tonight's schedule on the commercial "educational" channels:
    • History Channel - "Pawn Stars". i.e. Huge overweight badly dressed guys that run a pawn store.
    • A&E (Arts & Entertainment) - "Hoarders" tabloidism focused on hoarding obsession
    • Bravo (Once focused on Arts) - "Real Housewives of Atlanta" - very entitled women
    • Discovery Channel - "American Chopper" Dis-functional family fighting for years over motorcycle business
    • TLC (The Learning Channel) - "Half-Ton Mom", "My 600-lb Life", "Hoarding Buried Alive"
    • National Geographic Channel - (police are good night) "CIA vs Terrorists", "Alaska State Troopers", "Outlaw Bikers - Masters of Mayhem"
    • The Science Channel - Tonight is re-runs of "Build it Bigger" from a few years ago when they actually had science shows. Never fear, "Idiot Abroad" is on later in the week.


    They have ceased, for the most part, in showing anything having to do with educated critically thinking people. It's been replaced by glamorizing "Bubba", waving the American flag (instead of raising the red flag), promoting the police & military, and keeping people scared of terrorists and/or distracted by all sorts of non-sexual perversions. And these are the channels for the educated or those wanting an education. These channels are a minority in the sea of 100s of channels devoted to all aspects of sports, pop culture, and pseudo news.
    I don't watch TV, so I wouldn't know any of this. Thanks for the analysis! The list is reinforced even further.

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    Other than 8, that is EXACTLY the list of Communism. I would also argue that #8 didn't exist in Nazi Germany, and the 9 and 10 are debateable as well.


    The problem with the false left right paradigm isn't that there is a struggle between left and right, but that the struggle dubbed "left/right" is actually "left/left". Fascism is inherently Leftist.

    Too bad the Commies are blind to this fact...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eat Beef View Post
    Other than 8, that is EXACTLY the list of Communism. I would also argue that #8 didn't exist in Nazi Germany, and the 9 and 10 are debateable as well.


    The problem with the false left right paradigm isn't that there is a struggle between left and right, but that the struggle dubbed "left/right" is actually "left/left". Fascism is inherently Leftist.

    Too bad the Commies are blind to this fact...
    Communism (Marxism) is the Antithesis of the Thesis, Capitalism, with the intended Synthesis of the New World Order (world government). Controlled by the same entities.

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    Please try to stay on topic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scorpio View Post
    FASCISM ANYONE? THE 14 DEFINING CHARACTERISTICS OF FASCISM BY DR. LAWRENCE BRITT

    Originally published in the Spring 2003 edition of Free Inquiry Magazine

    Dr. Lawrence Britt has examined the fascist regimes of Hitler (Germany), Mussolini (Italy), Franco (Spain), Suharto (Indonesia) and several Latin American regimes. He found 14 defining characteristics common to each:

    1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism - Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.

    Does this mean that I have to take down my Mad Mopar Memoribilia? I have to take down the "Jolly Roger"? No more "Crown Royal"? I shall fight!
    2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights - Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.

    Chebby drivers have no rights, other than the trophy for first round loser
    3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause - The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial, ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.

    It was the 2-3 shift at 7 grand
    4. Supremacy of the Military - Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.

    I would sell your mom to go racing
    5. Rampant Sexism - The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Divorce, abortion and homosexuality are suppressed and the state is represented as the ultimate guardian of the family institution.

    The Indy 5 hunnert went to hell the day they let women in the pits
    6. Controlled Mass Media - Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.

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    7. Obsession with National Security - Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.

    Keep you nose pickers outta my toolbox.
    8. Religion and Government are Intertwined - Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.

    Seen lots of tools in government and religion here lately. CDB has this covered:

    Preacher man talkin' on the TV,
    He's a-puttin' down the rock 'n' roll.
    He wants me to send a donation,'Cos he's worried about my soul.
    He said: "Jesus walked on the water,"And I know that is true,
    But sometimes I think that preacher man,
    Would like to do a little walkin', too.
    A poor girl wants to marry, And a rich girl wants to flirt.
    A rich man goes to college,And a poor man goes to work.
    A drunkard wants another drink of wine,And a politician wants a vote.
    I don't want much of nothin' at all,But I will take another toke.

    'Cos I ain't askin' nobody for nothin',If I can't get it on my own.
    If you don't like the way I'm livin',
    You just leave this long-haired country boy alone.
    9. Corporate Power is Protected - The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.

    Nothing I hate more than the "mandatory tire brand, fuel, equipment" rules.
    10. Labor Power is Suppressed - Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed.

    Boy Howdy, back in 1969 Richard Petty formed the PRDA and Big Bill France gave birth to kittens in the Talladega infield
    11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts - Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts and letters is openly attacked.

    Look, nothing looks gayer than a messed up paint job on a race car
    12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment - Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.

    No doubt. I was banned from a track here in Indiana for life and I didn't even start the incident.
    13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption - Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.

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    14. Fraudulent Elections - Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.

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    On anti-intellectualism, on a whim, I checked tonight's schedule on the commercial "educational" channels:
    • History Channel - "Pawn Stars". i.e. Huge overweight badly dressed guys that run a pawn store.
    • A&E (Arts & Entertainment) - "Hoarders" tabloidism focused on hoarding obsession
    • Bravo (Once focused on Arts) - "Real Housewives of Atlanta" - very entitled women
    • Discovery Channel - "American Chopper" Dis-functional family fighting for years over motorcycle business
    • TLC (The Learning Channel) - "Half-Ton Mom", "My 600-lb Life", "Hoarding Buried Alive"
    • National Geographic Channel - (police are good night) "CIA vs Terrorists", "Alaska State Troopers", "Outlaw Bikers - Masters of Mayhem"
    • The Science Channel - Tonight is re-runs of "Build it Bigger" from a few years ago when they actually had science shows. Never fear, "Idiot Abroad" is on later in the week.


    They have ceased, for the most part, in showing anything having to do with educated critically thinking people. It's been replaced by glamorizing "Bubba", waving the American flag (instead of raising the red flag), promoting the police & military, and keeping people scared of terrorists and/or distracted by all sorts of non-sexual perversions. And these are the channels for the educated or those wanting an education. These channels are a minority in the sea of 100s of channels devoted to all aspects of sports, pop culture, and pseudo news.

    Joseph Goebbels would be proud.

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    Sometimes when I walk through my living room, I stop long enough to flip through channels looking for something interesting, even if its only fifteen minutes of "bubble gum" for my eyes. But there's seldom, if ever, anything worth watching anymore. Our entire broadcasting system across all networks has degenerated into pornography.

    It's like driving by a bad car wreck. I don't want to look at the carnage, but find it so disturbing that its hard to turn away. The scariest thing about it, is that no TV show lasts five minutes on a network if it does not get excellent ratings immediately. You can't sell what no one wants to buy. God help us.

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    Communism (Marxism) is the Antithesis of the Thesis, Capitalism, with the intended Synthesis of the New World Order (world government). Controlled by the same entities.

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    Please try to stay on topic.
    You first.

    It was you who brought up Communism. The thread topic is Fascism (a form of Capitalism).

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    You first.

    It was you who brought up Communism. The thread topic is Fascism (a form of Capitalism).
    What is the proper term for "I earned mine, you go earn yours-ism"?

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    What is the proper term for "I earned mine, you go earn yours-ism"?
    I think it's called "Franklenism"

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    What is the proper term for "I earned mine, you go earn yours-ism"?
    "Earn" = to acquire by work.

    Taking someone is predation, not "work."

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    Taking someone is predation, not "work."
    Would you please define "work"? TIA.

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    The thread topic is Fascism (a form of Capitalism).
    Have to disagree with you there. Fascism was originated principally by Benito Mussolini after his schism with the Italian Socialist Party where he had been one of the leading lights of the party since before WWI. Admittedly, under fascism, private ownership was still possible but the State was in total control. Reality is the fascism and socialism are as related as brother and sister. If capitalism is defined as following the dictates of the "free market", the "free market" is totally nonexistent under either fascism or socialism. You do remember what the initials NAZI stood for in the original German?

    I will grant you that what we seem to be currently experiencing in the US with large corporations and government in bed together and currently called "crony capitalism" does exhibit some of the characteristics of fascism. But I submit that the current liaison represents an abandonment of free market principles and, thus, is an abandonment of classical capitalism, irrespective the name.
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    Have to disagree with you there. Fascism was originated principally by Benito Mussolini after his schism with the Italian Socialist Party where he had been one of the leading lights of the party since before WWI. Admittedly, under fascism, private ownership was still possible but the State was in total control. Reality is the fascism and socialism are as related as brother and sister. If capitalism is defined as following the dictates of the "free market", the "free market" is totally nonexistent under either system. You do remember what the initials NAZI stood for in the original German?
    fully agree, facism is in no way shape or form a capitalist form of government. If you disagree you either don't understand what a fascist government entails or don't understand the definition of capitalism.

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    I will grant you that what we seem to be currently experiencing in the US with large corporations and government in bed together and currently called "crony capitalism" does exhibit some of the characteristics of fascism. But I submit that the current liaison represents an abandonment of free market principles and, thus, is an abandonment of classical capitalism, irrespective the name.

    The irony is that we've been living in a command economy (on a federal/national level) all this time.
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    The irony is that we've been living in a command economy (on a federal/national level) all this time.
    Some aspects maybe, especially the Obama sponsored "green" being forced down our throats but the phenomena of an Apple or Ebay or Samsung is pure market based.
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    Some aspects maybe, especially the Obama sponsored "green" being forced down our throats but the phenomena of an Apple or Ebay or Samsung is pure market based.

    I was thinking along the lines of big agra and interest rates - manipulating supply and demand... or demand and supply.

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    Would you please define "work"? TIA.
    I'll try again.

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    Have to disagree with you there. Fascism was originated principally by Benito Mussolini after his schism with the Italian Socialist Party where he had been one of the leading lights of the party since before WWI. Admittedly, under fascism, private ownership was still possible but the State was in total control. Reality is the fascism and socialism are as related as brother and sister. If capitalism is defined as following the dictates of the "free market", the "free market" is totally nonexistent under either fascism or socialism. You do remember what the initials NAZI stood for in the original German?

    I will grant you that what we seem to be currently experiencing in the US with large corporations and government in bed together and currently called "crony capitalism" does exhibit some of the characteristics of fascism. But I submit that the current liaison represents an abandonment of free market principles and, thus, is an abandonment of classical capitalism, irrespective the name.
    I stand by my definition. "Capitalism" and "free market" are mutually exclusive. Capitalism always tends towards monopoly, and the most "scientific" system which has derived from Capitalism is Fascism. Perhaps the only real difference is whether the corporations lead the state, or the state leads the corporations.

    There is no such thing as a "laissez faire" free market, nor can there be. The profit motive will always work against that. At a low level (i.e., small businesses), it's not a problem, but when one introduces corporations into the mix, it's a big problem, and eventually extinguishes both free enterprise and the ability to trade in a free manner (a free market).

    As for "the initials NAZI," they don't stand for anything, since they're not initials. It's an alleged contraction of Nationalsozialismus. And despite the term "socialistische" in the name of the NSDAP, it was night & day difference from the "socialism" of Marxism. Huge corporations funded the NSDAP and supported Hitler during peace, and that continued into war, not necessarily because they were forced to - massive influence from them was never in question. Krupp, Thyssen, Ford, IBM, Rockefeller's interests (e.g., Standard Oil), Kodak, even Coca Cola - all suffered in no way under Hitler. Even the factories of the "connected" (particularly Rockefeller's) did not get bombed despite being strategic targets. By the time of the Großdeutsches Reich (about 1942), most of the principles of the 25 Points of the NSDAP from the early 1920s - supporting the "common man" - had been abandoned.

    Whenever corporations have free reign, they destroy the society. Period.

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    I'll try again.
    I addressed your other question. Your turn. You define "work."

    Is bank robbery "work"? If not, why not.

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    fully agree, facism is in no way shape or form a capitalist form of government. If you disagree you either don't understand what a fascist government entails or don't understand the definition of capitalism.
    I expected you to chime in.

    Trouble is, I do understand Capitalism, and its variant, Fascism. The problem is that your fantasy "definition" of Capitalism as synonymous with "Free Enterprise" is false (or purposely fraudulent).

    Words mean something. The root word of "Capitalism" indicates what Capitalism's primary focus is.

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    Some aspects maybe, especially the Obama sponsored "green" being forced down our throats but the phenomena of an Apple or Ebay or Samsung is pure market based.
    Apple & eBay drive the market, not respond to it. They aim to control what consumers can have and use. Were consumers asked if they wanted DRM? Were sellers asked if they wanted to be subject to feedback extortion?

    A command economy is not solely one where government dictates. It can also be one where corporations dictate.

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    I addressed your other question. Your turn. You define "work."

    Is bank robbery "work"? If not, why not.
    You did a pitiful job of avoidance. I'll give you credit for not using your "Merry Christmas" run away. Still YOUR turn.

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    You did a pitiful job of avoidance. I'll give you credit for not using your "Merry Christmas" run away. Still YOUR turn.
    You have yet to realize I do not answer to you.

    If you want to discuss, make a good faith gesture.

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    You have yet to realize I do not answer to you.

    If you want to discuss, make a good faith gesture.
    I have, several times. You AVOID honest discussion. Merry Christmas, ya holier than thou hypocrite.

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    I have, several times. You AVOID honest discussion. Merry Christmas, ya holier than thou hypocrite.
    You have no interest in "honest discussion." You have interest in maintaining your ability to scam people. I'm pleased to be the gadfly that interferes in your endeavors.

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    The problem with the false left right paradigm isn't that there is a struggle between left and right, but that the struggle dubbed "left/right" is actually "left/left". Fascism is inherently Leftist.

    Too bad the Commies are blind to this fact...


    Hate Capitalism all you want, but ignoring the fact that Communism and Fascism are kissing cousins is ludicrous.
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    "Capitalism" and "free market" are mutually exclusive.

    Whenever corporations have free reign, they destroy the society.
    Capitalism is exclusive to free markets? Well then, under what other system has the free market been most often observed? And I'm talking society level, not some farmers market. Offhand, I'd say that statism, communism and various totalitarianisms are far more antagonistic to free markets than capitalism.

    About the second: Do you have a problem with privately held companies? If so, what? Just what would be the functional difference in two hypothetical manufacturing concerns of equal size producing an essentially equal product given that one concern was privately held and the other organized as a corporation? Would the private be OK or good while the Corp was evil?

    Thirdly, can you give an example of your ideal socioeconomic model that has existed anywhere/anytime. We at GIM know a lot about what you don't like but very little of what you admire.

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    Hate Capitalism all you want, but ignoring the fact that Communism and Fascism are kissing cousins is ludicrous.
    Isn't that what I said, and you criticized me for it?

    Communism (Marxism) is the Antithesis of the Thesis, Capitalism, with the intended Synthesis of the New World Order (world government). Controlled by the same entities.

    Fascism & Marxism are not "opposites." Their primary motivation is the anti-human imposition of power. They are products of the same malevolent entities, controlled by them to achieve the true ultimate end (the synthesis).

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    Capitalism is exclusive to free markets? Well then, under what other system has the free market been most often observed?
    Free Enterprise - Free Enterprise - Free Enterprise - Free Enterprise - Free Enterprise - Free Enterprise - Free Enterprise - Free Enterprise - Free Enterprise - Free Enterprise - Free Enterprise - Free Enterprise - how many times do I have to repeat it?

    And...

    Free Enterprise =/= "Capitalism" - Free Enterprise is NOT synonymous with "Capitalism" - Free Enterprise =/= "Capitalism" - Free Enterprise is NOT synonymous with "Capitalism" - Free Enterprise =/= "Capitalism - Free Enterprise is NOT synonymous with "Capitalism" - Free Enterprise =/= "Capitalism" - Free Enterprise is NOT synonymous with "Capitalism."


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    Offhand, I'd say that statism, communism and various totalitarianisms are far more antagonistic to free markets than capitalism.
    Major corporations (especially banks) have been central to the establishment of every total government scheme, whether Fascist, Marxist, Fabian, or whatever other euphemism. That said, you are essentially correct: the means to an end (total government schemes) is indeed caustic to a free market. And, that reinforces my point, that Capitalists, who invariably establish these total government schemes, use them to achieve grand geopolitical aims.

    If you desire the maximum freedom for honest trade (a "free market") you must prevent malevolent influence from the monopolists. "Laissez faire" ("hands-off," or "leave alone") is impossible, because that creates a vacuum to be filled by the lowest elements.


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    About the second: Do you have a problem with privately held companies? If so, what? Just what would be the functional difference in two hypothetical manufacturing concerns of equal size producing an essentially equal product given that one concern was privately held and the other organized as a corporation? Would the private be OK or good while the Corp was evil?
    Corporations enjoy enormous benefits by the virtue of their government-issued charter (effectively, a privilege on authority of the sovereignty of the People themselves), as well as the legal mechanisms that benefit corporations. Corporations, public or private, cannot expect to be on the same level as a natural person. The created greater than the creator?

    I have a problem with natural rights for artificial "persons." Whether owned privately or publicly.

    The reason corporations are established is utilitarian - you can wield more influence over resources with a corporation than without. However, corporations also are established to protect the owners from liability. As we've seen an untold number of times, this also enables the crooked to commit outrages and even kill, while shielding themselves from personal (natural person) liability.

    I do not oppose corporations per se. I oppose the insane approach of according them "human rights," or permitting them to work against the very authority and institutions that allowed for their creation.


    Quote Originally Posted by TomD View Post
    Thirdly, can you give an example of your ideal socioeconomic model that has existed anywhere/anytime. We at GIM know a lot about what you don't like but very little of what you admire.
    The early American Republic is very admirable.


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    BTW: The full name of the NAZI party was Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei or in English: National Socialist German Workers Party
    I am aware of that. One of my academic fields is Political Science. "NAZI" are not initials. NSDAP are. The origin of "Nazi" is not established - it is more likely it arose as an epithet derived from the German pronunciation of "National" - akin to "Nazi-onell" - than a contraction. Goebbels once wrote a pamphlet called the "Nazi-Sozi," which weighs against the contraction argument (since the "zi" is allegedly from "Sozialistische").

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    Not Sure says Capitalism and free markets are mutually exclusive... but at the same time says there is no such thing as "laissez faire" free markets, nor can there ever be.



    So if capitalism cannot include free markets and free markets cannot exist, the only possibility left is controlled markets. That's what Not Sure calls "free enterprise", even if it includes all kinds of State intervention in and regulation of the economy and markets. And, according to Not Sure, since markets will be controlled, better to have the State control them "for the common good" than to leave it to those evil, greedy individuals and corporations.


    But don't be fooled by the sophists who would have you believe up is down and right is left. Fascism, socialism and communism are all diametrically opposed to free market, laissez faire capitalism for one simple reason; all three are the crippled offspring of the same bestial ideology: collectivism. Group rights over individual rights. Collectivism is clearly and undeniably opposed to individualism, which is the foundation of capitalism.

    As long as that is clear, it should be obvious why it is ridiculous to even pretend that free markets and capitalism are mutually exclusive, or that gov't intervention in the economy and forceful redistribution of wealth are not socialism and, more importantly, as immoral as theft. And no, giving someone who voluntarily accepts it a job, a loan, a service or a product, is not theft.
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    Maybe its the case that any form of 'Ism' is bad ? as evidenced by the fact that the West has for the last 70 years operated a 'Mixed' economic and political model ????

    As for the OP, its a total simplification obviously written by a Closet Marxist, what the extreme left always declare to be the same, invariably are widely different. For example was Sadaam Husein a Socialist or a Fascist ? the evidence would suggest Fascism, but the fact of support by the USSR would suggest Marxism ??
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    11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts - Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts and letters is openly attacked.
    Remember Colorado Prof. Ward Churchill? A witch hunt ensued after he said 9/11 was blowback. Maybe he shouldn't have said the people in the towers were little Eichmanns and he'd have been left alone, or at least not harassed to such a degree... idk. But I recall Fox really going after the guy hardcore, O'Reilly in particular.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mcmurph View Post
    Remember Colorado Prof. Ward Churchill? A witch hunt ensued after he said 9/11 was blowback. Maybe he shouldn't have said the people in the towers were little Eichmanns and he'd have been left alone, or at least not harassed to such a degree... idk. But I recall Fox really going after the guy hardcore, O'Reilly in particular.
    I remembered Churchill, but didn't bring him up since his overall credibility is "questionable." For example, he claims he's "Native American," but is almost certainly of the Wannabe tribe (yet another blue-eyed "Indian"). He was right about 9/11, though - most of the people working in the WTC, while not necessarily conscious of their role in the New World Order, were working to make it reality.

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    Maybe its the case that any form of 'Ism' is bad ? as evidenced by the fact that the West has for the last 70 years operated a 'Mixed' economic and political model ????

    As for the OP, its a total simplification obviously written by a Closet Marxist, what the extreme left always declare to be the same, invariably are widely different. For example was Sadaam Husein a Socialist or a Fascist ? the evidence would suggest Fascism, but the fact of support by the USSR would suggest Marxism ??
    I concur. Sexism/racism/political titleisms, they all lead to division of the people and prevent us from reaching our true potential...........
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    Funny how a vast global "capitalist free market" always goes/has gone hand in hand with a vast global military buildup.

    Also, why do ya suppose this Fascist government regime has been promoting Capitalism so tirelessly throughout the past century?

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    We don't have a "capitalist free market".

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    We don't have a "capitalist free market".
    So what do we call the successful investors in this market?
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    So what do we call the successful investors in this market?
    Successful investors.
    In a "capitalist free market", a man can walk into a bar, order a beer and fire up a smoke. In our nanny state, collectivist, protectionist system, that can't happen. Some do gooder elitist is protecting someones "rights" and restricts free market trade by rule law or regulation. Hell, they even set freaking wages.

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    well that was very enlightening ! whilst everyone try's to define Websters definition of this "mess" then call em what ya will while they are sticking it to the USA & everyone they can.... so squabble bout words ? no remove the source(s) very quickly before they remove it all . 2 cents worth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gcubed View Post
    Successful investors.
    In a "capitalist free market", a man can walk into a bar, order a beer and fire up a smoke. In our nanny state, collectivist, protectionist system, that can't happen. Some do gooder elitist is protecting someones "rights" and restricts free market trade by rule law or regulation. Hell, they even set freaking wages.
    Those were the days, weren't they. You could smoke at a bar, board a plane while wearing shoes and cook with any kind of oil you liked. Imagine... outrageous!
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