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    Default Does the Johnson Motor Work?

    Looks like a bunch of bullsh1t to me.....

    http://johnsonmotorsblog.com/about-me
    It's better to burn out than fade away...........

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    Default Re: Does the Johnson Motor Work?

    Who knows, they claim it did, but yet no one has completed a working example.

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    Quote Originally Posted by budfox View Post
    Looks like a bunch of bullsh1t to me.....

    http://johnsonmotorsblog.com/about-me
    Keep on assuming that until you see a working model, which, somehow, nobody ever seems to come up with.
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    Default Re: Does the Johnson Motor Work?

    My Johnson works.

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    Default Re: Does the Johnson Motor Work?

    Yeah, I thought this thread was a revisit to this video...

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    Quote Originally Posted by TnAndy View Post
    Keep on assuming that until you see a working model, which, somehow, nobody ever seems to come up with.
    Beck has an add link off his Blaze site. $47 for the plans. I call BS on it.
    It's better to burn out than fade away...........

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    Default Re: Does the Johnson Motor Work?

    But, but, but, it's got a money back guarantee, if you're no absolutely delighted!
    ohnson Motor Plan is sold via Payment Processor Clickbank and regulated under ClickBank’s Return Policy. It is stated at ClickBank site. You can test out Johnson Motor Plan at absolutely 100% without RISK. After buying this product and you are not fully satisfied with it, you are always welcome to issue a Without-Questions-Asked-Refund within sixty days from the buying date. There is no RISK in trying out Johnson Motors Plan.
    But wait, there's more...

    What a load of horsesh!t!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Argentium View Post
    But, but, but, it's got a money back guarantee, if you're no absolutely delighted!

    But wait, there's more...

    What a load of horsesh!t!
    I was soooooooooo excited. Be off the grid! Build it with $97 in parts and duck tape!
    It's better to burn out than fade away...........

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    Does-the-Johnson-Motor-Work
    Mine does - well, not as well as it did 30 years ago... needs more cranking...
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    Default Re: Does the Johnson Motor Work?

    The HoJo motor! All I ever get from HoJo's is gas!

    You can get the plans for $29.97 from here,
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    ..

    see diagram below for a Perpetual motion
    design that makes good logical sense





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    Default Re: Does the Johnson Motor Work?

    I think it does work. Really.

    I probably won't buy the plans because I won't really need the money. I just found out I inherited $22 Million US Dollars. They are waiting for me at the airport.

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    I don't hold much hope for the Johnson motor as a source of perpetual energy, but Zilver may be onto something.

    The trick to perpetual energy is to find an untapped source and leverage it. 100 years ago, a solar cell attached to a motor may have been considered a perpetual energy machine. I don't believe one can create energy where none exists, but I do believe we can harness energy from our environment in ingenious ways. Radiant energy is everywhere. A device capable of collecting that energy and converting it into a usable form would provide perpetual energy, and woud also obey the laws of physics.

    Apply logic to the dream of perpetual energy and you will see that it is possible.

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    Still hoping for that "energy from the vacuum"... but so far all I hear is a big sucking sound...
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    I spent many years in the electric power world, including alternative energy. I've done electric motor R&D as well. I can't tell you how many pitches I sat through about 'perpetual' energy. I just smile and nod now.

    This one's different; it's the first one that worked! I'm buying two and using them to power my lightsabre. Awesomeness will result...

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    I have invented an engine that actually runs on bs, since there is so much is Washington the US will have a permanent free fuel supply ,the oil compaines have offered me 50 billion for it.

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    Simple permanent magnet motors do work but they degauss over time and the energy required to re magnetize or replace the magnets exceeds the power output over the life of the generator.

    Solar panels are the same; energy required to construct > lifetime energy output.
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    Quote Originally Posted by loopy View Post
    Clever, but once the buttered-cat power source is attached to a generator it's no longer in free fall, cancelling out the spin. Perhaps you could mount a propeller helmet on the cat and have it drive a tiny wind turbine... hmm, need to develop this idea further.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lumpOgold View Post
    The HoJo motor! All I ever get from HoJo's is gas!
    You should have tried the clams.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lumpOgold View Post
    The HoJo motor! All I ever get from HoJo's is gas!

    You can get the plans for $29.97 from here,
    Does that $29.97 include one nights stay at any participating Howard Johnson's Motor Lodge?
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    Quote Originally Posted by budfox View Post
    Beck has an add link off his Blaze site. $47 for the plans. I call BS on it.
    Send me $47 and I'll send you a free Mr. "O" Certificate from Kenya Hawaii that allows you a $3.00 free "HOT" (just pooped) bag of COW POOP at your local
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    Quote Originally Posted by dacrunch View Post
    Mine does - well, not as well as it did 30 years ago... needs more cranking...
    Age is a matter of mind over matter...

    If you don't mind, it doesn't matter...

    Seriously, I have studied this motor briefly, and it seems to hold promise...

    The Bedini Back EMF Permanent Electromagnetic Motor Generator

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    The Johnson Motor was an early investigation taking advantage of the time lag effect of magnetic viscosity to increase the COP by reducing back EMF.

    If back EMF can be eliminated the electric motor becomes a generator with output > mechanical input ...


    Viscosity = Field Strength / Time

    Magnetic viscosity is the tendency of a ferromagnetic material's magnetization to lag behind the application of an external magnetic field. That is, an unmagnetized piece of iron that is suddenly brought into close proximity of a magnet will not be immediately attracted to the magnet. The iron's own magnetic domains take a little while to start to align with the applied magnetic field thus causing the iron itself to become a magnet. Finally the iron and magnet stick together in magnetic attraction as it was meant to be.

    This explains the "slip" of induction motors as the permeability of the iron laminates delay the changing of magnetic polarity of the field windings. Instead of running at the exact frequency of the ac power source (divided by the motor poles) it slips to a slightly slower than synchronous speed of the alternating current.


    A demonstration of back EMF as the magnet sets up eddy currents in the copper tube ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by minimus View Post
    The Johnson Motor was an early investigation taking advantage of the time lag effect of magnetic viscosity to increase the COP by reducing back EMF.

    If back EMF can be eliminated the electric motor becomes a generator with output > mechanical input ...


    Viscosity = Field Strength / Time

    Magnetic viscosity is the tendency of a ferromagnetic material's magnetization to lag behind the application of an external magnetic field. That is, an unmagnetized piece of iron that is suddenly brought into close proximity of a magnet will not be immediately attracted to the magnet. The iron's own magnetic domains take a little while to start to align with the applied magnetic field thus causing the iron itself to become a magnet. Finally the iron and magnet stick together in magnetic attraction as it was meant to be.

    This explains the "slip" of induction motors as the permeability of the iron laminates delay the changing of magnetic polarity of the field windings. Instead of running at the exact frequency of the ac power source (divided by the motor poles) it slips to a slightly slower than synchronous speed of the alternating current.
    Dude, I have no idea what you're saying, but it sounds intelligent. I'm giving you a thanks. I'd add 5 stars if I had any.

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    Default Re: Does the Johnson Motor Work?

    Hey Minimus, that totally rocks. Here's a video that demonstrates the effect even more effectively. Unbelievable.


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    Default Re: Does the Johnson Motor Work?

    As a ole elektrinckal engineer, I kin tellya you are looking at a demo of Lenz's Law.

    Now we come to a basic problemo. I mean BASIC:

    If you are gonna have an electric motor that has no back EMF, you have got to successfully petition to repeal Lenz's Law.

    Problem with trying to repeal LAWS:

    Law of Action/Reaction
    Law of Gravity

    It is a total b!tch trying to repeal these laws. Not to put too fine a point onnit, instead of trying to repeal Lenz's Law just to make a motor work for nuffin, why not repeal the Law of Gravity???

    Then we can all fly.

    Or... better yet, repeal Newton's Laws... then we can make a spaceship with no engine. Just point it, and it will go.

    Ish: Minimus has 'splained the science... I have 'splained the "guts" of why these interminable fake things never, ever -- and won't ever... work.

    Late Edit Add: That cartoon with the guy with the two magnets... that is a simplified schematic of the Johnson Motor, without the folderol and fugacity and foofaraw.

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    One of my favorite professors in the engineering program was a crusty old engineer who owned his own company and taught thermodynamics and heat transfer on the side.

    He would be approached several times a year by this or that person who thought they had come up with some kind of power from nothing machine. Every time, he'd have to explain how the "machine" violated some basic law of thermodynamics, and therefore it wouldn't work.

    Those natural laws will getcha every time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unca Walt View Post

    It is a total b!tch trying to repeal these laws. Not to put too fine a point onnit, instead of trying to repeal Lenz's Law just to make a motor work for nuffin, why not repeal the Law of Gravity???

    Then we can all fly.

    Or... better yet, repeal Newton's Laws... then we can make a spaceship with no engine. Just point it, and it will go.

    Ish: Minimus has 'splained the science... I have 'splained the "guts" of why these interminable fake things never, ever -- and won't ever... work.

    It isn't about repealing a law of physics its about manipulation of its effects.


    M. Walters, M.R. Zolgahdri, A. Ahmidouch*, A. Homaifar
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    Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering
    Department of Physics
    North Carolina A & T State University
    Greensboro, NC 27411 USA

    Abstract--This paper introduces asymmetrical regauging theory as the origin of the increase in the coefficient of performance of a specially designed electric motor. The coefficient of performance terminology, a review of gauge theory, and an examination of discarding the Lorentz condition to achieve asymmetrical regauging are presented.

    http://nema-uqd.info/yahoo_site_admi...P.21343253.pdf


    In a nutshell, "asymmetrical regauging" of magnetic fields causes an imbalance and vectors the field in such a way as to induce movement of the rotor. A non reciprocal effect from a typical symmetric field !

    Personally, I think this theory would be best engineered in a linear motion generator much like a free piston engine but having the piston be the moving magnet and a toroid coil be the Lorentz effect cancelling back EMF. Gravity acting on the "piston" could be the energy edge tipping it into over unity. One would only have to add another toroid as the pickup coil for output power.
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    Default Re: Does the Johnson Motor Work?

    My old 35hp 1957 doesn't work: bad coils, points or a mouse nest inside the flywheel

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