My mom doesn't think she can vote for Romney because he's a Mormon...

[Nickelless]

And what I and other relatives have been trying to get through to her is that if Romney is the eventual GOP nominee (especially since Santorum is now out of the race), if Romney doesn't get enough votes, then we have four more years of Obama. I can't seem to convince her that things will be much, much worse than she can imagine if Obummer is re-elected. Are there any articles you guys could recommend for her that would show her how bad things could really get? I could loan her my dual-book copy of The Communist Manifesto and de Tocqueville's Democracy in America, but she'd probably never get past the front cover. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

[Irons]

That is exactly why the mormon was picked to lose to the muslem. Dedicated christians won't vote for him.

[Nickelless]

That is exactly why the mormon was picked to lose to the muslem. Dedicated christians won't vote for him.

Dedicated Christians should oppose a return to Stalinist Russia. Ergo, they should vote for Romney.

[Pyramid]

It will not matter, the machine will roll on regardless of Obammer or Mittens. Fait accompli. Stalin set the precedent that rings true in modern day "democrasy." Choose your side if you wish, but either way, you will still lose. Once again, fait accompli.

[Irons]

Dedicated Christians should oppose a return to Stalinist Russia. Ergo, they should vote for Romney.

You can vote for whomever you want the results will be the same. The elites will win, the peasants will continue to lose.

The last actual president the US had was Ronald Reagan. TPTB won't allow that to happen again.

[Gcubed]

Didn't Kruschev brag that they would win without firing a shot? I was just a tyke back then.

[budfox]

Just like in the 'free stuff' thread if they broadcast football, dancing with the idiots, and American Idiot the slaves will be happy in the Fema camps.

[Tinbox]

I won't be voting for Romney, but it has nothing to do with him being a mormon

Ron Paul or no one for me. I'll probably look into the Libertarian candidate if Ron Paul is not on the ballot, I think it's Gary Johnson...He may get my vote, but I'll have to look into him a bit more

[Irons]

Just like in the 'free stuff' thread if they broadcast football, dancing with the idiots, and American Idiot the slaves will be happy in the Fema camps.

I think my wife is watching "dancing with idiots who can't sing" in the other room.

[Tinbox]

You can vote for whomever you want the results will be the same. The elites will win, the peasants will continue to lose.

The last actual president the US had was Ronald Reagan. TPTB won't allow that to happen again.

do you think Ronald Reagan wasn't working for TPTB or at least not with them? If so, what makes you say that?

[AG Stacker]

And what I and other relatives have been trying to get through to her is that if Romney is the eventual GOP nominee (especially since Santorum is now out of the race), if Romney doesn't get enough votes, then we have four more years of Obama. I can't seem to convince her that things will be much, much worse than she can imagine if Obummer is re-elected. Are there any articles you guys could recommend for her that would show her how bad things could really get? I could loan her my dual-book copy of The Communist Manifesto and de Tocqueville's Democracy in America, but she'd probably never get past the front cover. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

How bad can things get? Drones patrolling the skies and the president claims the power to kill anyone anywhere for any reason with no trial, evidence or judge. The subjects of the government aren't allowed the ability to defend against the tyranny. The guy in charge can take over everything for any reason and that is the law of the land? IMO, thats as bad as it can get.

I'm not saying all is lost, but both sides of the tyranny coin are the same result. Neither of the 2 pre selected puppets is going to do anything about any of the real issues facing this country.

Both are a steady march to tyranny (assuming we aren't already there) the "difference" is the speed at which we'll get there.

[andial]

A Romney/Paul ticket works for me.

[Tinbox]

Dedicated Christians should oppose a return to Stalinist Russia. Ergo, they should vote for Romney.

Do you really think there will be a significant difference between Obama and Romney? Yes I agree Obama is likely worse, but Romney over Obama will only slightly slow the decay imo. Romney is not willing to make any real changes.

[Tinbox]

A Romney/Paul ticket works for me.

I'd be shocked if Ron Paul would sell out and support Romney after stating many times (correctly imo) that Romney will not be fundamentally different than Obama.

[Nickelless]

Back to my original post...

Throw me a bone. There have to be articles out there showing what will happen if Obummer is re-elected even if Romney isn't much of an alternative. Anyone care to offer any links?

[honu5050]

ronald reagon was an actor . ghwbush c.i.a. & by a 1/4 inch almost presendent shortly after they were put in office.

[Tinbox]

Back to my original post...

Throw me a bone. There have to be articles out there showing what will happen if Obummer is re-elected even if Romney isn't much of an alternative. Anyone care to offer any links?

personally i'd just throw out things like federal budget deficits in excess of a trillion dollars a year, laws like the NDAA act that legalize the arrest/killing of american citizens without a trial, increasing taxes, race and class warfare being perpetrated by Obama. If that doesn't get the point across I don't know what will

[Usc96]

You sound like you still believe an individual's vote matters.

In at least 40 of the 50 states we already know who will win. For example, Obama will sweep DC, VT and NY, and Romney will easily carry AL, SC, GA. If you are in those states, then you get to vote for whomever you want.

It only matters if you are in a swing state.

[platinumdude]

I can't vote for either one. Either a write in for Ron Paul or I skip the vote this year.

[Irons]

do you think Ronald Reagan wasn't working for TPTB or at least not with them? If so, what makes you say that?

He made people proud to be Americans again. People at ball games stood up and paid attention when the National Anthem was played.

He stood up to Russia and eventually beat them.

He cut taxes as a stimulus that created over 20 million real jobs. He also tried to re-instate the gold standard to stop the democrat congress and senate from spending us into oblivion. That got him shot IMO.

Not perfect by any means but a man who loved his country and wasn't ashamed to show it.

[Nickelless]

I can't vote for either one. Either a write in for Ron Paul or I skip the vote this year.

I'm much closer to Ron Paul on a lot of issues than I am to Romney, but I'll be a monkey's uncle if I want a repeat of 1992, when Perot's candidacy put Bill Clinton in office.

[WhyKnow]

She's right. But with those standards, it's hard to vote for anyone. The country's gone to hell anyway; who cares if obama or romney wins?

[AG Stacker]

Re: Romney/Paul ticket.

I've been a follower of Paul since about 2006/07. I would have voted for him as the Republican in '08.

Under no circumstances would I consider voting for him if he were to run with Romney. If the ticket is Romney/ Paul, I'll vote libertarian. If the LP wants to run someone like Bob Barr again, I'll vote for Chuck Baldwin or whoever else runs as the Constitution Party candidate.

Why not vote for what you believe? Why not vote for something? The lesser of two evils is still evil. Even if you're a die hard Maoist, at least you believes in something. Stand for that belief or fall for one of the two fools that can barely figure out which way the wind is blowing.

[phideaux]

In this (alleged) democracy there are always more than two choices for president on the ballot. There are about 20 registered national political parties in the US.

A vote for the Libertarian Party, the Constitution Party, The Green Party, whatever strikes your fancy, is not a wasted vote if you believe that person matches your own political perspective and priorities. A wasted vote is a vote for a person who you think doesn't deserve to be president.

If you can't vote for Rom-knee, fine, it doesn't mean you have to vote for Obomba. Only a Sheeple would vote for someone just to later brag to your fellow Sheeple that you voted for the winner.

[phideaux]

Why not vote for what you believe? Why not vote for something? The lesser of two evils is still evil.

The Late Great Harry Browne called it "the evil of two lessers."

[phideaux]

She's right. But with those standards, it's hard to vote for anyone. The country's gone to hell anyway; who cares if obama or romney wins?

The US, which goes areound the world invading countries in the name of "demcoracy", has one of the lowest voter turnout rates of any nation. Less than half!

I can't find the results for prez, but here is votes for legislatures.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_turnout

Malta	N	6	94%
Chile	N	2	93%†
Austria	N	9	92%
Belgium	Y	12	91%
Italy	Y (not enforced)	9	90%
Luxembourg	Y	7	90%
Iceland	N	10	89%
New Zealand	N	12	88%
Denmark	N	14	87%
Germany	N	9	86%
Sweden	N	14	86%
Greece	Y (not enforced)	10	86%
Venezuela	N*	7	85%
Czech Republic	N	2	85%
Argentina	Y	12	83%
Brazil	Y	3	83%
Netherlands	N**	7	83%
Australia	Y	14	81%[33]
Costa Rica	N	8	81%
Norway	N	9	81%
Romania	N	2	81%
Bulgaria	N	2	80%
Israel	N	9	80%
Portugal	N	9	79%
Finland	N	10	78%
France	N	9	76%
United Kingdom	N	9	76%
South Korea	N	11	75%
Ireland	N	11	74%
Canada	N	12	74%
Spain	N	6	73%
Japan	N	12	71%
Estonia	N	2	69%
Hungary	N	2	66%
Russia	N	2	61%
India	N	6	58%
Switzerland	N	8	54%
Poland	N	2	51%
United States	N	18	48%***

[Nickelless]

She's right. But with those standards, it's hard to vote for anyone. The country's gone to hell anyway; who cares if obama or romney wins?

I think there's a huge difference between Obama and Romney insofar as Romney at least loves this country and Obama hates it, er, wants to fundamentally transform it. I'm not about to flip off what's left of the Constitution by voting for Obama.

[Nickelless]

Why not vote for what you believe? Why not vote for something? The lesser of two evils is still evil. Even if you're a die hard Maoist, at least you believes in something. Stand for that belief or fall for one of the two fools that can barely figure out which way the wind is blowing.

I think it'd be a heck of a lot better at this stage of the game to buy time to help steer us away from the cliff than to vote for someone who has no realistic chance of winning and denying a vote to the one candidate who is in the best position to defeat Obama. I'm not willing to risk giving that narcissistic, incompetent, dictatorial ideologue one more day in office after his term is up. We can't, as a country, survive four more years under Obama, and I fail to see how a protest vote for Ron Paul is going to stop Obama from winning re-election.

So back to my original post...can anyone offer any links to articles on what will happen if Obama gets re-elected?

[tigerwillow1]

I don't understand why religion is a primary decision factor in who to vote for. What matters is how he's going to run the country. If he follows the constitution, the laws, respects everybody, and is a good leader I don't care what kind of weird doctrine he follows. I don't want any of them imposing their religion, even if it's the one I follow. I'm not happy that Romney's the nominee. I think we could have done better, but I don't think he's evil, either.

[Someone_else]

I think there's a huge difference between Obama and Romney ...

I do not think there is the slightest sliver of difference between the two. They say different things, but so what? They are both obedient slaves to their masters. They look different. So what? They tell different lies. So what? They are both puppets and it does matter THE SLIGHTEST which one is in the office.

The stupid "controversial" issues thrown at us voters are just "good cop, bad cop" tactics to make us think someone is on our side. It is just a scam. All of those "burning issues" are just stories to make us think that one candidate is our friend and the other is the enemy. The truth is that they are both our enemy and they are laughing at us.

So waste your time and effort if you think there is ANY difference between Obama and Romney. Waste your time. Fine with me. But don't expect me to follow in your delusion.

[vintage collector]

I am pro-Ron Paul but will vote for anyone not named Obama that may have a chance.

If Ron Paul is on the ticket he has my vote, if he is not, any non-vote is a vote for Obama, as far as I'm concerned. So I will vote for anyone but Obama.

Is it possible that Santorum dropping out boost Ron Paul's numbers?

[craiggger]

I think Ron Paul has a shot now to win the nomination at a second vote convention.

He's got the RNC by the balls now; Make him the nominee or he goes third party and Mittens gets spanked. The media loves to say how its all over but its not. Texas is a take all state with 151 delegates. California is similar.

Ron Paul Money Bomb this April 15th. Btw. Unlike every other candidate in existance, Ron relies on small donations he keep the ball rolling.

I heard that in the early 1900's there was a nominee voted in with only 6% of the delegates..

[Nickelless]

Does the govy give her free stuff? Is she part of the 50% that does not pay income taxes? If she's in that crowd, it may be difficult to find any written word to convince her.

She gets Social Security (she's 69), but other than that she has a job that, at best, is tenuous--her boss is about to be in deep doodoo with the IRS, but there's nowhere else she could work and get away with coming in late, taking days off when she feels like it, etc. Her work ethic has gotten worse and worse as she's hoped for long-overdue alimony payments from my dad (they divorced in 1994 and she hasn't gotten a penny from him in probably 10 years or longer) to eventually sustain her. She constantly worrying about money but not busting her tail to do whatever it takes to earn it.

So to make a long story short, yeah, she gets some free stuff and is hoping for other free stuff that's never going to come. What can I tell her or have her read so that she'll see how screwed we are if Obama gets re-elected?

[Irons]

I am pro-Ron Paul but will vote for anyone not named Obama that may have a chance.

If Ron Paul is on the ticket he has my vote, if he is not, any non-vote is a vote for Obama, as far as I'm concerned. So I will vote for anyone but Obama.

Is it possible that Santorum dropping out boost Ron Paul's numbers?

As much as I agree anybody but obama, as a lifelong republican I am totally effing tired of the garbage that party consistantly nominates to run in important elections.

That alone tells me there are no political parties, there are elites and peasants.

[phideaux]

As much as I agree anybody but obama, as a lifelong republican I am totally effing tired of the garbage that party consistantly nominates to run in important elections.

That alone tells me there are no political parties, there are elites and peasants.

Way back 225 years ago, Geo Washington warned about the evils of the entire poltical party process.

http://www.thirty-thousand.org/pages...ul_Parties.htm

[ralleia]

I think Ron Paul has a shot now to win the nomination at a second vote convention.

He's got the RNC by the balls now; Make him the nominee or he goes third party and Mittens gets spanked. The media loves to say how its all over but its not. Texas is a take all state with 151 delegates. California is similar.

Ron Paul Money Bomb this April 15th. Btw. Unlike every other candidate in existance, Ron relies on small donations he keep the ball rolling.

I heard that in the early 1900's there was a nominee voted in with only 6% of the delegates..

Is he going to go third party if he doesn't get the nomination?

I'm a pretty dedicated conservative and I cannot STAND Romney. I would've tolerated Cain, Newt, or Santorum, but if Romney is the GOP candidate I don't know what I would do.

I don't want four more years of Obama, but I believe that the GOP NEEDS TO BE SPANKED, AND SPANKED HARD FOR TWO STRAIGHT PRESIDENTIAL ELECTIONS OF SHOVING A RINO DOWN OUR THROATS.

If we don't show that we won't tolerate it then they'll just keep it up. It's like they learned nothing from the 2010 elections and the conservative "Tea Party" gains there.

Nope, I don't agree with everything that Paul says, not by a long shot. But if they select Romney I am NOT going to hold my nose and vote "Republican" like I did last time.

I might have my heart-strings pulled if he managed to recruit a plum of a running-mate, but on his merits alone I will never vote for him.

[HairHopper]

My advice:

Don't lecture you Mom on something as irrelevant as this.

No good will come of it and no matter if she follows your advice or not, it won't make any difference.

[craiggger]

Is he going to go third party if he doesn't get the nomination?

I'm a pretty dedicated conservative and I cannot STAND Romney. I would've tolerated Cain, Newt, or Santorum, but if Romney is the GOP candidate I don't know what I would do.

I don't want four more years of Obama, but I believe that the GOP NEEDS TO BE SPANKED, AND SPANKED HARD FOR TWO STRAIGHT PRESIDENTIAL ELECTIONS OF SHOVING A RINO DOWN OUR THROATS.

If we don't show that we won't tolerate it then they'll just keep it up. It's like they learned nothing from the 2010 elections and the conservative "Tea Party" gains there.

Nope, I don't agree with everything that Paul says, not by a long shot. But if they select Romney I am NOT going to hold my nose and vote "Republican" like I did last time.

I might have my heart-strings pulled if he managed to recruit a plum of a running-mate, but on his merits alone I will never vote for him.

I dont know exactly what Ron will do. I thinkk he's hoping for a convention miracle.

His threat of a third part run is what will sway many on a second vote in the convention to vote for him. Its a win win for republicans rather than losing to obama.

Unfortunatly, there are way too many powers that be that wont let ron be prez. Media, rnc chairs, deibold voting machines, and of course the man on the grassy knoll..

Its too bad, because as a canadian, Im really pulling for an america that the world can look up to.

[gnome]

Will not vote for R-money.

[craiggger]

Just to comment on my last post, Im not saying that I am looking down at america right now becasue im not. I would just like libertarian values to become the mainstream in america and find its way to canada. I hate taxes and I want to carry a consealed glock for protection, especially when I go to toronto.

[AG Stacker]

The Late Great Harry Browne called it "the evil of two lessers."

God bless Harry Browne!

That man opened the door and turned the light on for me when I was a youngster in my late teens/ early twenties.

[letsbuildasnowman]

I could care less if he was a Mormon, but the fact that he is a scumbag gets me.

[phideaux]

God bless Harry Browne!

That man opened the door and turned the light on for me when I was a youngster in my late teens/ early twenties.

i urge everybody to read all of Harry Browne's books, but in particular his 1995 bestseller "Why Goernment Doesn't Work." Get it at your local library, or get it used for ONE FRIGGIN PENNY at Amazon. http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listi...condition=used

[Argentium]

In this (alleged) democracy there are always more than two choices for president on the ballot. There are about 20 registered national political parties in the US.

A vote for the Libertarian Party, the Constitution Party, The Green Party, whatever strikes your fancy, is not a wasted vote if you believe that person matches your own political perspective and priorities. A wasted vote is a vote for a person who you think doesn't deserve to be president.

If you can't vote for Rom-knee, fine, it doesn't mean you have to vote for Obomba. Only a Sheeple would vote for someone just to later brag to your fellow Sheeple that you voted for the winner.

Fido, well an good, as long as you don't live in an absolutely corrupt state like the People's Republik of IL, where TPTB make it very difficult, if not impossible for 3rd parties to get on the ballot.

BTW, I've voted exclusively for 3rd parties since 1980.

[phideaux]

Fido, well an good, as long as you don't live in an absolutely corrupt state like the People's Republic of IL, where TPTB make it very difficult, if not impossible for 3rd parties to get on the ballot.

BTW, I've voted exclusively for 3rd parties since 1980.

I know, I've worked on many petition drives to get Libertarian candidates on the ballot. In Colorado, about 10 years ago we finally found enough fair-minded Repub and Dem state legislators to pass a law dramatically easing the burden

Me too. I've never actually voted for a candidate for Federal office who has actually won.

[ShirleyUGeste]

The last actual president the US had was Ronald Reagan. TPTB won't allow that to happen again.

Wrong. For all he's being touted as Saint Ronnie now, Reagan's only real interest was in turning his B-grade movies into reality by getting us into a shooting confrontation with somebody... anybody. The poor old fart had Alzheimers for a good portion of his presidency, and Nancy wound up running the show. If you want an "actual" president, you'll have to go back farther. Truman maybe. Jimmy Carter was a good man, but a lousy president; same with Gerald Ford. Nixon was a psychotic fool. JFK was too busy chasing skirts to pay much attention to anything else. Ike was a great general, but a lousy president, and his wife was a certifiable kook. Lord, think about it... how far back do we have to go to find a "good president" who wasn't just somebody else's puppet?

[AG Stacker]

We need a compassionate conservative because if Obama is reelected dangerous dopers like this will still be roaming the streets in search of their fix:






What will we tell our children about these people?

[GOLDZILLA]

It dont matter who you vote for, it matters who the electoral college votes for.

[Argentium]

Wrong. For all he's being touted as Saint Ronnie now, Reagan's only real interest was in turning his B-grade movies into reality by getting us into a shooting confrontation with somebody... anybody. The poor old fart had Alzheimers for a good portion of his presidency, and Nancy wound up running the show.

Various groups have done a fine job, rehabilitating the image of dear, old Ronnie. The term "neo-con" hadn't been invented yet, but it fits him. However, I will give him credit, that despite being labeled as a ultra-hawk, he was very committed to the idea of making real reductions/eliminations of the insane situation regarding nuclear weapons (despite the build-up during his term, which was basically Carter's idea with his Presidential Directive 59).

If you want an "actual" president, you'll have to go back farther. Truman maybe. Jimmy Carter was a good man, but a lousy president; same with Gerald Ford. Nixon was a psychotic fool. JFK was too busy chasing skirts to pay much attention to anything else. Ike was a great general, but a lousy president, and his wife was a certifiable kook. Lord, think about it... how far back do we have to go to find a "good president" who wasn't just somebody else's puppet?

Dunno, a couple had their good points; IMO, JFK and Teddy Roosevelt come to mind. The rest, meh, either completely incompetent, downright criminals, or a tool for certain interests.