Peleo diet

[techguy2]

Any one try this?

Basically the peleo diet is the caveman diet. Meats, fruits, veggies. No grains, rice, starch. Some yams and sweet potatoes are ok, but generally no starch.

It reminds me of a modified adkins diet, with fruits added. Of course the main stream folks hate it, since it severely demonizes modern wheat, corn, and refined sugars, and HFCS. Sounds like something I like.

Been on it since Sunday, lost 5 lbs since then. Usually the first 10 is easy... then the work starts.

[CiscoKid]

No Susie Q's or beer? No single malt scotch? No osso bucco? No 18 oz. Porterhouse, rare, with a baked potato smothered in sour cream? No chicken scallopini with aglio e olio on the side? I don't think I like this diet very much.

[NOOB]

I have been reading up about it and slowing working my way into it.

http://www.marksdailyapple.com/

[Merlin]

I've been low-carbing since January, 2011 and am 30 pounds lighter today. No potatoes, no bread, no rice. Of course, I cheat. I have hashbrowns and toast on Sunday mornings, lol. And, up until recently, I've avoided the fruit because of the sugars. But I really don't need to shed more pounds, so the berries are back on my plate. Sounds like I was paleo without even knowing it.

[Goldfinger]

I've done it for short periods. My wife is actually doing something pretty similar now. We've been discussing going on it long term. We'll see. Are you getting any exercise in with it? Keep us posted TG2, I'll be interested in how it works for you.

[Merlin]

Trying to get healthy by dieting alone without exercise is nearly as futile as trying to get healthy with exercise and ignoring diet. Neither strategy works particularly well. I decided to fix my diet and to get active. Now there's a combo that works. I recently managed 55 consecutive pushups. That would never have been possible through diet alone. And, I bet it wouldn't have been easily accomplished through exercise alone either; imagine lifting the extra 30 pounds of blubber 55 times. TG2 will do fine on his new diet and he'll likely lose pounds of fat without going hungry or counting calories.

[Merlin]

No Susie Q's or beer? No single malt scotch? No osso bucco? No 18 oz. Porterhouse, rare, with a baked potato smothered in sour cream? No chicken scallopini with aglio e olio on the side? I don't think I like this diet very much.

I have a kick-a** chili recipe that calls for 12 oz of beer. The scotch whiskey doesn't violate my low-carb diet in any way. And neither do the osso bucco, the Porterhouse steak, the chicken scallopini or the sour cream. The baked potato? There's a problem. Even the aglio e olio would be OK if you used Dreamfields pasta.

So, I'd like for someone with a good understanding of paleo to tell me just how it differs significantly from my restricted carbohydrate diet. So far, the only things you've mentioned that I wouldn't eat are the Susie Q's and the taters.

[noelephant]

I've been on a primal diet since February.

I've lost 30 pounds and feel way better than I did. I started feeling better right away actually.

I've been following the primal blueprint by Mark Sisson.

I'm pretty much convinced that it is one of the best ways to eat.

I find it easy to stick to the foods outlined by the plan. I'm not hungry all the time like I used to be on a high carbohydrate diet.

[Kingfisher]

I started right after Thanksgiving 2011 and have lost 30 pounds. I doubt it is the Paleo thingy but bacon and eggs for breakfast every day. Meat and veggies for lunch and dinner. I eat a lot of almonds as snacks. Probably too many. Sadly no potatoes, no beer, no bread. Occasional large scotch. I miss beer badly and my doctor said fine, drink the low carb stuff. I have yet to find one worth opening.

I was on cholesterol meds for a few years and had a stent then a triple bypass. I told my doctor that I wanted to reduce my medications and she said that I could stop the Simcor if I went on the South Beach diet. I did immediately, although I confess I am on the Kingfisher's interpretation version of that diet. Maybe the the third iteration to be more accurate.

My cholesterol went up from 159 (my all time low was 89 but that brings its own set problems) to 230 then down to 207 at the last reading. She tells me to diet and exercise. Since anything you eat is a diet of some sort, I have followed half of her directive.

I do feel better not eating wheat but have not looked for replacements. My loss is probably due to no cake, cookies, cornchips and other temptations.

[Kingfisher]

Noelephant has a good point. I am not hungry all the time and when I am, it is likely due to boredom

[Unclad Lad]

I've been eating lower-carb for about 6 months, and I've lost a bit of weight too. Having a bellyful of protein and fat does wonders for not wanting to snack all day! But fast carbs, especially sugary ones, are a total bytch to reduce. Sugar withdrawal is as persistent and insidious as giving up nicotine; you have no idea how utterly addicted you are until you try it.

Seriously, even if you don't plan on sticking to it, I urge all of you to "go Paleo" for a week, just to see how badly you want some sugar. We've had threads about the threat posed by hordes of suddenly cold-turkey addicts of prescription and street drugs, and tobacco. It's going to be like that for almost everybody else who doesn't get their steady trickle of sugar and carbs.

My recommendation? Keep a bucketful of bite-sized candy bars and hard candies nearby, as a diversion for others (not you!)--I can see where a handful thrown into a crowd might allow you to avoid a mob. Keep in mind how our soldiers in Iraq learned hat was going on in the neighborhood--by giving candy to the kids.

[Someone_else]

Noelephant has a good point. I am not hungry all the time and when I am, it is likely due to boredom

(I am on a low-carb diet.) Sometimes when I get a hunger feeling, it is just a misdirected signal for more water. So drinking something might help right there. Iced tea or koolaid (with stevia) sometimes solves the problem right there.

Sometimes I get a hankering for soup. Commercial soups have way too many carbs, but I can easily make a decent chicken soup if I have some leftovers. If not, I can make a satisfying "bouillon" from two simple ingredients. (Hang on to your hat! Or skip this if you are squeamish!) I heat up a cup of water in the microwave, then add a few shakes of Tabasco and a few shakes of fish sauce. For me, it has a good balance of spice and salty. I don't use empty sodium chloride anymore, but Himalayan (pink) salt, which has a very good taste and has lots of micro-minerals.

When my body really wants energy, there is no substitute for meat, fat, eggs, and cheese. Bacon has an important role in my daily menu, along with beef, pork, tuna, eggs, salad, and a couple low-carb veggies (like broccoli and green beans in stir fry.)

[TiKi]

Paleo* diet.

Been on it for more than 2 years. People don't believe when I tell them how many calories I eat. Most of my intake is from fat.

The culprits in the American diet that cause the most problems are Gluten and Dairy.

[Someone_else]

People don't believe when I tell them how many calories I eat. Most of my intake is from fat.

Yep. In short, fat gives you energy. Carbs make you fat.

Pilots can relate to this "paradox" as Langeweische made clear: attitude governs speed, power governs altitude. So many students just assume that the elevator is the primary control for altitude and the throttle is primary for speed. WRONG! Sometimes "common sense" is really "stupid assumption".

The culprits in the American diet that cause the most problems are Gluten and Dairy.

I will immediately agree with gluten, but I suspect that dairy (casein) is only a secondary problem because the wheat germ agglutinin (WGA) has already busted holes to the bloodstream in the intestines and the casein is close enough to follow. I think that if the gut is healthy, cheese could be okay. Obviously this suggests that many other food allergies might be caused by WGA creating a toxic pathway for otherwise digestible foods to enter the bloodstream and cause damage.

[TiKi]

I will immediately agree with gluten, but I suspect that dairy (casein) is only a secondary problem because the wheat germ agglutinin (WGA) has already busted holes to the bloodstream in the intestines and the casein is close enough to follow. I think that if the gut is healthy, cheese could be okay. Obviously this suggests that many other food allergies might be caused by WGA creating a toxic pathway for otherwise digestible foods to enter the bloodstream and cause damage.

I was gluten free about 2 years before I went paleo. I still cannot tolerate dairy. I have not tried raw milk, it is not available in my area. I have tried whey made from raw milk. Still a problem. I believe the problem also is the a1 mutation in cow's milk. I haven't really dedicated myself to do a leaky gut protocol but I do take some glutamine from time to time nothing significant.

[Mantokir]

Been on a not 100% version since last October myself, ended up losing about 15 pounds, though I really didn't want too and even though I was stuffing myself full of food. The gut is just about gone though so it's not all bad. :-)

Now if I could fit in some weight lifting, I already stand at my desk for work, and that's helped out a bit as well. Been looking at kettlebells, or even modifying the bed of my truck to be able to hold some form of squat rack and weights.

[techguy2]

Week 1:

Start Sun Morning: 232lbs
End Sat Morning: 226

No lie. I have bee eating plenty, never feeling hungry, and I am actually eating LOTS of fruit (not really supposed to for weight loss, because of the sugars). Feel great, eating better now that I have in years.

Your food cost WILL go up... and depending on how much processed food you ate before, it may go up significantly.

[Goldfinger]

Any updates T2? My wife and I are now on it. The first thing I noticed was that I had been having to take an antacid every night. I've been on it for about 10 days now and haven't needed one since. I dropped about 8 lbs very quickly, even though i was trying to lose weight. It seems to have stabilized now. I really struggled for the first 5 or 6 days without my caffeine, but I wanted to break the addiction, so I completely abstained. I started drinking tea over the weekend and even had a cup of coffee, but at least now I don't "need it".

[birddog]

Just posted on the 6 Powerful foods to eat thread....

Been at it for a month an a half and have dropped 12-14 pounds already. I am eating whenever and whatever I want avoiding grains, legumes and sugar. I’m cooking a lot more, but that is to be expected. Can’t cheat and eat out of a box anymore. My kids eat anything so they don't mind eating paleo food I make. The hard part is seperating them from the boxed junk and cereal. But we are slowly going to weane them off it and not bring it in the house.

My husband is down 10 pounds or so and he is 6’3” 180 now. His gut is almost gone. Dropped from a 36” waist to a 32”. He eats more startches than I do because he bikes and works out more. My right knee is shot and hurts when I try to do most things. I don’t have cartridge so not much I can do to fix it – except lose weight.

Reading a new book called “It starts with food” - Web Site Here. Great stuff - they explain in good detail why eating paleo is ideal for your health.

And here is a paleo food pyramid that I really like...

[Argentsum]

I restrict carbs and eat foods low on the glycemic index.

Meats, nuts, seeds, green leafies, and any kind of non-starch vegetables.

I should knock off the cheese habit but my Scandinavian background seems to
tolerate it well.

Its not really a diet. Its just the way I eat. Gorge on broccoli and kale. Nibble on ice cream.

[Unclad Lad]

The culprits in the American diet that cause the most problems are Gluten and Dairy.

What's funny is that the tradition "Survivalist" diet revolves around wheat (and other grains to a lesser degree). I have books that have a hundred recipes for gluten-based meals, along with the methods of removing the starches to get to it.

For those who have gone Paleo, and who had problems with added gluten in processed foods, how do you do with whole grains? Not "whole-grain" products, but grains boiled up like rice?

[Ishkabibble]

What's funny is that the tradition "Survivalist" diet revolves around wheat (and other grains to a lesser degree). I have books that have a hundred recipes for gluten-based meals, along with the methods of removing the starches to get to it.

For those who have gone Paleo, and who had problems with added gluten in processed foods, how do you do with whole grains? Not "whole-grain" products, but grains boiled up like rice?

The traditional 'survivalist' diet you mention will become a problem for more people than you can imagine. It is estimated that more than 30% of the population is grain intolerant, and these people will not live well on a grain diet. I'm one of them. I became allergic to grain after a life-changing stress event. The same happened to many others I know, my mother being one of them. When SHTF, those who are intolerant but didn't know will find out the hard way, and they'll pay a price. Their preps won't be usable.

The answer to your question about grains is that if you are celiac or gluten intolerant, you avoid them like the plague. Zero, zip, nada. The intolerance is an immune reaction. Think of how much virus by volume it takes to make your immune system go into action. As little as a crumb of wheat will give a celiac diarrhea. How much grain would you have if it did that to you?

A celiac can have rice, quinoa, and many other 'grains' that are mostly not grains at all, but seeds that can be used in place of grains. But pay attention to how you feel on a diet that's devoid of such things, and you realize you don't want them. I suppose if you really wanted to store a grain, you would store those. I personally have taken an alternate approach and learned what foods are abundant in the wild. I'm up to 80 food items that grow and the list is still expanding. I know how they all taste and where to find them. My mind is my food store. In addition, I have over 1000 canning jars so I can put the excess away any time I want. In the next few months, I plan to convert to a fully natural diet. In the meantime, I exist on about 65% natural foods, from nature of course. That, and I do have a year worth of food celiacs CAN eat. The abundance of options would astound you.

[techguy2]

Any updates T2? My wife and I are now on it. The first thing I noticed was that I had been having to take an antacid every night. I've been on it for about 10 days now and haven't needed one since. I dropped about 8 lbs very quickly, even though i was trying to lose weight. It seems to have stabilized now. I really struggled for the first 5 or 6 days without my caffeine, but I wanted to break the addiction, so I completely abstained. I started drinking tea over the weekend and even had a cup of coffee, but at least now I don't "need it".

21 lb's so far. Slowed down to about 1-2 lbs a week. Stamina is way up, texas heat not bothering me nearly as badly.. amazing what carrying around an extra 20lb's will do to you. I have already had to change pant and shirt sizes. Not a bad problem to have.

We had a watermelon on the counter, my wife said you've lost about that much.. i weighed it and it was 19lb's. I carried around the house for a few minutes and I couldnt imagine I was actually carrying that around full time.

I think the weight loss has slowed a little because I am eating lots of fruits, trying to stay away from fatty red meats, so it is more fruits and leaner meats. No artificial sweeteners or refined sugar. I probably eat too much eggs/bacon still.

I plan to go to the doctor in a month or so for a full physical... should be interesting.

I feel great, and plan to stay on this indefinitely.

[techguy2]

What's funny is that the tradition "Survivalist" diet revolves around wheat (and other grains to a lesser degree). I have books that have a hundred recipes for gluten-based meals, along with the methods of removing the starches to get to it.

For those who have gone Paleo, and who had problems with added gluten in processed foods, how do you do with whole grains? Not "whole-grain" products, but grains boiled up like rice?

I can tell you i have much less tolerance for wheat and flour than before I started, and it hasnt been that long for me. I don't want it, have no desire to eat it, doesnt even look good to me.

My wife did make me some 'pizza' with cauliflower crust, and well, it was pretty good! Did NOT taste like cauliflower, and that's GOOD.

But yeah, time to reassess the old food storage. Looks like much more freeze dried veggies, meats, and fruits are in order. I already have a good bit, gonna need more. Wheat will stay for trading purposes.

[birddog]

But yeah, time to reassess the old food storage. Looks like much more freeze dried veggies, meats, and fruits are in order. I already have a good bit, gonna need more. Wheat will stay for trading purposes.

Did you see the buckets at costco? The have the freeze dried veggie and fruit buckets. I like how they are in smaller bags and I don't have to eat a whole number 10 can of the same item.

300 serving tropical fruit bucket

300 serving fruit bucket

300 serving veggie bucket

[Mantokir]

21 lb's so far. Slowed down to about 1-2 lbs a week. Stamina is way up, texas heat not bothering me nearly as badly.. amazing what carrying around an extra 20lb's will do to you. I have already had to change pant and shirt sizes. Not a bad problem to have.

We had a watermelon on the counter, my wife said you've lost about that much.. i weighed it and it was 19lb's. I carried around the house for a few minutes and I couldnt imagine I was actually carrying that around full time.

I think the weight loss has slowed a little because I am eating lots of fruits, trying to stay away from fatty red meats, so it is more fruits and leaner meats. No artificial sweeteners or refined sugar. I probably eat too much eggs/bacon still.

I plan to go to the doctor in a month or so for a full physical... should be interesting.

I feel great, and plan to stay on this indefinitely.

Eggs are probably the cheapest form of protein you can get, as long as you get the right ones. You want high Omega-3s and as close to straight off the farm you can get (pretty much a given). Bacon, just go with a nitrate free version and you'll be ok. Sams club sells a 3 pack of it. You don't want to completely avoid fats, you just have to go with the good fats. Grassfed beef, avacados, real butter (Kerrygold is a grassfed butter), stuff like that... Fat will become your energy source. I'll eat 6 eggs for dinner almost every other night because of school.

If you do decide to up fat intake, look into Now Super Enzymes as well, it'll help you digest the fats until your body adjusts to it.

I haven't been avoiding good fats since I started back in Oct, and while I haven't been trying to lose weight, I've still lost 25 pounds since then. Don't got much more to lose, but I have noticed it's mainly bodyfat as my stomach is definitely smaller.

For those wondering about wheat in their preps, something you can experiment with is Sprouted grains, it's a way of somewhat neutralizing the bad in grains.

[faith]

I'm reading this thread and getting so hungry!! The thought of being able to eat bacon frequently makes me feel like that dog in the beggin' strips commercial - beggin, beggin, beggin!!

Meat, especially nice and fatty, could be one of the few things that could motivate me to give up junk... but on the other hand, there's something about meat that feels unclean? Didn't the paleos eat a different kind of meat than us, like fresh and clean, just killed? We eat corpses that need heavy chemicals to prevent us from dying from the putrafaction...
or just don't think about it and enjoy the weight loss?

[techguy2]

I'm reading this thread and getting so hungry!! The thought of being able to eat bacon frequently makes me feel like that dog in the beggin' strips commercial - beggin, beggin, beggin!!

Meat, especially nice and fatty, could be one of the few things that could motivate me to give up junk... but on the other hand, there's something about meat that feels unclean? Didn't the paleos eat a different kind of meat than us, like fresh and clean, just killed? We eat corpses that need heavy chemicals to prevent us from dying from the putrafaction...
or just don't think about it and enjoy the weight loss?

Bacon is great tasting, but is full of nitrites, same with most sausage, hot dogs, etc. Bad stuff, maybe even directly linked to colon cancer I'm not 100% convinced, but better to be careful.

So bacon and processed meats are on an occasional basis. My order of preference is: Fish, Chicken, Pork, Eggs, Beef, Bacon. Day to day Reality is:
Chicken, Beef, Eggs, Fish, Pork, Bacon...

25lb's down!!!!!

[Argentsum]

I ain't givin up my bacon.

[birddog]

I'm reading this thread and getting so hungry!! The thought of being able to eat bacon frequently makes me feel like that dog in the beggin' strips commercial - beggin, beggin, beggin!!

Meat, especially nice and fatty, could be one of the few things that could motivate me to give up junk... but on the other hand, there's something about meat that feels unclean? Didn't the paleos eat a different kind of meat than us, like fresh and clean, just killed? We eat corpses that need heavy chemicals to prevent us from dying from the putrafaction...
or just don't think about it and enjoy the weight loss?

It has more to do with what the protein you eat ate. lol.... We should be eating at least a 1 to 1 ratio of omega 3s to omega 6s. Our SAD way of eating throws that way out of wack and is as high as 1 to 20. Cows that eat corn are very high in omega 6s while grassfed is high in omega 3s. We tend to eat way too much veggetable proteins (6s) anyway so cornfed beef just makes it worse. There is nothing wrong with saturated fat if the animal was raised the right way.

Grassfed organic beef and pasture raised pigs and chickens are the way to go. They shouldn't be fed antibiotics, soy and grains (especially no GMO grains). Also, any dairy that you do eat should be from grassfed cows, goats, etc.

[DualCarbon]

Interesting that people seem to have pretty good weight loss results either with high carb/no fats or no carb/high fat, but not both together high carb/high fat.
The endurance runners seem to favor the high carb/no fat method though, and that has worked well for my less competitive running.

[Mantokir]

I'm reading this thread and getting so hungry!! The thought of being able to eat bacon frequently makes me feel like that dog in the beggin' strips commercial - beggin, beggin, beggin!!

Meat, especially nice and fatty, could be one of the few things that could motivate me to give up junk... but on the other hand, there's something about meat that feels unclean? Didn't the paleos eat a different kind of meat than us, like fresh and clean, just killed? We eat corpses that need heavy chemicals to prevent us from dying from the putrafaction...
or just don't think about it and enjoy the weight loss?

Grass fed beef... Not grain fed, not grain finished, grass fed...

Like I wrote above, the cheapest protein is a good quality egg. The beef is expensive at 7.99 a lb here, though I like it enough to make the sacrifice in other areas for it.

Nothing like scrambling up 6 eggs, and mixing in a half pound of beef to get you going... and you can go forever.

The feeling of meat being unclean is your own reservations about meat. :-)

Bacon is great tasting, but is full of nitrites, same with most sausage, hot dogs, etc. Bad stuff, maybe even directly linked to colon cancer I'm not 100% convinced, but better to be careful.

So bacon and processed meats are on an occasional basis. My order of preference is: Fish, Chicken, Pork, Eggs, Beef, Bacon. Day to day Reality is:
Chicken, Beef, Eggs, Fish, Pork, Bacon...

25lb's down!!!!!

Either sams club or BJs sells bacon that is nitrate and nitrite free... Good Nature puts it out, 3 pack in a white box.If you're like me and trying to completely avoid preservatives, there's an option.


Grats on the 25 pounds, I did the same thing and started at 190... Kinda sucks but I look at it as my body moving towards homeostasis.

I ain't givin up my bacon.

Don't gotta... see above. :-)

Interesting that people seem to have pretty good weight loss results either with high carb/no fats or no carb/high fat, but not both together high carb/high fat.
The endurance runners seem to favor the high carb/no fat method though, and that has worked well for my less competitive running.

When I see someone say something along the lines of "I lost weight doing X diet" I first look at everything they changed... if they did a diet, did they start exercising, did they stay high carbs but switch from chips and soda, to whole grains and water? Etc...

Though I my experience, being a runner in high school, as well as a high metabolism, the high carb low fat thing didn't really change my weight much either up or down. Once I went high fat, low carb... it melted off, and trying to put it back on is an experience all it's own.... I hardly exercise now as well. Though am getting to where I want to get a gym membership or a set of weights... something.

For your running, something you may or may not be interested in, maybe you already heard about it... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barefoot_running

[birddog]

I found this on facebook.....

[faith]

[QUOTE=Mantokir;401200]Grass fed beef... Not grain fed, not grain finished, grass fed...

Like I wrote above, the cheapest protein is a good quality egg. The beef is expensive at 7.99 a lb here, though I like it enough to make the sacrifice in other areas for it.

Nothing like scrambling up 6 eggs, and mixing in a half pound of beef to get you going... and you can go forever.

The feeling of meat being unclean is your own reservations about meat. :-)

You're right. i do have reservations about meat, though i love the taste. A long time ago I was a vegetarian for about 10 years and during that time read so many graphic descriptions of meat factories and things like that. I was a follower of Gary Null and all kinds of anti-meat stuff. Won't bore you with my slow transition back to the foods of my upbringing - regular american. I love bacon and steak but am having a hard time with the graphic images of filth associated with meat that i read and listened to when I was younger. it has been easier to eat meat in a restaurant for me than to actually cook and handle what i came to see as a corpse.... i followed the diet more or less today, just had a little meat and veggies for lunch, some meatballs for supper and a little fresh-ground peanut butter as snack. Definitely full.

[Mantokir]

[QUOTE=faith;401618]

Grass fed beef... Not grain fed, not grain finished, grass fed...

Like I wrote above, the cheapest protein is a good quality egg. The beef is expensive at 7.99 a lb here, though I like it enough to make the sacrifice in other areas for it.

Nothing like scrambling up 6 eggs, and mixing in a half pound of beef to get you going... and you can go forever.

The feeling of meat being unclean is your own reservations about meat. :-)

You're right. i do have reservations about meat, though i love the taste. A long time ago I was a vegetarian for about 10 years and during that time read so many graphic descriptions of meat factories and things like that. I was a follower of Gary Null and all kinds of anti-meat stuff. Won't bore you with my slow transition back to the foods of my upbringing - regular american. I love bacon and steak but am having a hard time with the graphic images of filth associated with meat that i read and listened to when I was younger. it has been easier to eat meat in a restaurant for me than to actually cook and handle what i came to see as a corpse.... i followed the diet more or less today, just had a little meat and veggies for lunch, some meatballs for supper and a little fresh-ground peanut butter as snack. Definitely full.

That seems to be the path most vegetarians take, from what I've read/seen... they forgo meat then eventually realize that they need it then it's a slow path back to eating meat.

I had the same problem with the images of cows being forced into pens and all that goes with it, but I still liked meat too much to give it up, i could NEVER see myself as a vegetarian. That's what I like about the grassfed stuff, it's a low stress, natural way of raising the cows so that they are happy and healthy, and as a result I'm happier/healthier for it and I know that the animals were treated with the respect that they deserve.

on a side note... I found this article yesterday, not long after posting to this thread.
http://eatthis.menshealth.com/slides...ake-you-skinny

Seems Paleo might be going mainstream... everything on there I eat on a regular basis.

[platinumdude]

When I read the title too quickly I think it reads Pelosi diet. I figured with this diet you picture Nancy Pelosi in your head and lose your appetite.

[Mantokir]

When I read the title too quickly I think it reads Pelosi diet. I figured with this diet you picture Nancy Pelosi in your head and lose your appetite.

The Pelosi Diet is worse than that... this frog was on that diet.

[faith]

I think this is my third day more or less with no carbs. It's like this thread gave me some kind of absolution to eat yummy foods. I'm about to fry myself a steak on the stovetop in bacon fat with some veggies. no starch.... i'm normally a big junk food eater. will have some cherries later for dessert..
it will take a lot more than 3 days for me to lose weight but i did notice on my long walk home from the train that I was a little less winded...
I hope people keep posting their progress or any thoughts on this diet or low or no carbs in general.
gotta go cook
thx

[Mantokir]

I think this is my third day more or less with no carbs. It's like this thread gave me some kind of absolution to eat yummy foods. I'm about to fry myself a steak on the stovetop in bacon fat with some veggies. no starch.... i'm normally a big junk food eater. will have some cherries later for dessert..
it will take a lot more than 3 days for me to lose weight but i did notice on my long walk home from the train that I was a little less winded...
I hope people keep posting their progress or any thoughts on this diet or low or no carbs in general.
gotta go cook
thx

Wait till you wake up, then go 3 hours with no food, and not get the shakes and panicky hungry feeling....

If you decide to pursue this lifestyle, watch out for carb flu symptoms. It's not a bad thing, just your body adjusting over to fat burning, you're body spends a anywhere from a few days, to a couple weeks, trying to figure out where to get energy from. Some get a bad case of it, some get nothing.. I got lucky myself.

http://www.marksdailyapple.com/low-carb-flu/

The above is also a good blog for the primal lifestyle, which encompasses a form of the Paleo diet (He's a little more forgiving with things like wine and chocolate) but also ventures into exploring ideas about exercise and play.

[faith]

Anybody experience that in giving up carbs you're 'overcompensating' with the meats? I'm a big junk food eater and this is my 4th day without carbs including no potatoes or rice. but i am eating more than usual portions of meat which I don't think is too cool. Though the first 3 days i was satisfied with the protein/fats but today I am craving bread and though i've eaten quite a sizable portion of meat I'm still hungry.... I doubt i've lost an ounce but i'm going to stick with this for a little while out of curiosity. I think there may be potential with the diet for me....just wondering if people are increasing portions of meat without the carbs and still losing weight?

[birddog]

Anybody experience that in giving up carbs you're 'overcompensating' with the meats? I'm a big junk food eater and this is my 4th day without carbs including no potatoes or rice. but i am eating more than usual portions of meat which I don't think is too cool. Though the first 3 days i was satisfied with the protein/fats but today I am craving bread and though i've eaten quite a sizable portion of meat I'm still hungry.... I doubt i've lost an ounce but i'm going to stick with this for a little while out of curiosity. I think there may be potential with the diet for me....just wondering if people are increasing portions of meat without the carbs and still losing weight?

Yes, I have had meals when I eat mostly meat. I really don't think it is bad for you. Also eating veggies with the protein tends to make me feel full faster. My goto meal for when I'm really craving something bad is taco salad (minus the chips)- taco seasoned ground beef, cheese, salsa, quacamole, and a drop of sour cream. Sometimes I even add lettuce. lol..... When I crave something sweet I get a few ounces of dark chocolate and that really does the trick. Dark chocolate is so rich it's hard to OD on it. I probably have a little dark chocolate every day.


The first couple weeks are the hardest. I am convinced that sugar and grains have real addictive properties and your body has to get past the addiction.

[Mantokir]

Anybody experience that in giving up carbs you're 'overcompensating' with the meats? I'm a big junk food eater and this is my 4th day without carbs including no potatoes or rice. but i am eating more than usual portions of meat which I don't think is too cool. Though the first 3 days i was satisfied with the protein/fats but today I am craving bread and though i've eaten quite a sizable portion of meat I'm still hungry.... I doubt i've lost an ounce but i'm going to stick with this for a little while out of curiosity. I think there may be potential with the diet for me....just wondering if people are increasing portions of meat without the carbs and still losing weight?

Yes, I have had meals when I eat mostly meat. I really don't think it is bad for you. Also eating veggies with the protein tends to make me feel full faster. My goto meal for when I'm really craving something bad is taco salad (minus the chips)- taco seasoned ground beef, cheese, salsa, quacamole, and a drop of sour cream. Sometimes I even add lettuce. lol..... When I crave something sweet I get a few ounces of dark chocolate and that really does the trick. Dark chocolate is so rich it's hard to OD on it. I probably have a little dark chocolate every day.


The first couple weeks are the hardest. I am convinced that sugar and grains have real addictive properties and your body has to get past the addiction.

I have to agree with Birddog, the first couple weeks I did have the carb cravings... but now I can sit down to a dinner of tacos or nachos, and pass on the shells/chips and feel nothing. If it would make you feel better, try adding in some fruits... don't do too many if you're trying to lose weight.

I do mainly meat and eggs, and have to shovel food down to even attempt to put weight back on. I've given up that fight and am now looking at getting a weight set and seeing what happens there.


My default meal is what i like to call a Hamburger salad. Brown up some ground beef, season it like you would a hamburger, throw all your hamburger toppings in a bowl. Lettuce Tomatoes, onions... whatever. Put the beef in and mix it up, top with ketchup and mustard... or whatever you put on a burger.

[Unclad Lad]

Legumes--beans to you and me--are not only a good source of protein, but they provide the fiber you aren't getting from grains.

[Mr Paradise]

. have to agree with Birddog, the first couple weeks I did have the carb cravings... but now I can sit down to a dinner of tacos or nachos, and pass on the shells/chips and feel nothing. If it would make you feel better, try adding in some fruits... don't do too many if you're trying to lose weight.

When we go out for Mexican I order the Fajitas. I pass on the shells and cheese, get extra lettuce and use that to make a steamin' Fajita salad.

I went Peleo in May and I've lost about 30lbs and feel about 10 years younger. People can't believe it when I tell them I still intake 2500-3000 calories a day. Sugar, Carbs and Grains ...FU

[Mantokir]

Legumes--beans to you and me--are not only a good source of protein, but they provide the fiber you aren't getting from grains.

Legumes are also a no-no, for much the same reasons as grains. Fiber you can get from fruits and vegetables.

http://www.livestrong.com/article/44...-a-paleo-food/

When we go out for Mexican I order the Fajitas. I pass on the shells and cheese, get extra lettuce and use that to make a steamin' Fajita salad.

I went Peleo in May and I've lost about 30lbs and feel about 10 years younger. People can't believe it when I tell them I still intake 2500-3000 calories a day. Sugar, Carbs and Grains ...FU

I'm gonna have to remember that... have had to pass on a few Mexican restaurant trips because I couldn't figure out how to include it. Thanks...

[birddog]

My default meal is what i like to call a Hamburger salad. Brown up some ground beef, season it like you would a hamburger, throw all your hamburger toppings in a bowl. Lettuce Tomatoes, onions... whatever. Put the beef in and mix it up, top with ketchup and mustard... or whatever you put on a burger.

Yum - I'll have to keep that in mind.

[birddog]

When we go out for Mexican I order the Fajitas. I pass on the shells and cheese, get extra lettuce and use that to make a steamin' Fajita salad.

Sugar, Carbs and Grains ...FU

We have a favorite Mexican place that makes a fajita salad. I usually add extra pico de gallo and quacamole. Very filling!

And ditto that last line. I'm down 20 pounds in almost 3 months - easiest weight I've ever lost.

[Stop Making Cents]

How do you tell if beef is grass fed or not? I don't see any indications on the packaging. I have to assume it's not grass fed. Is that soemthing you have to buy at a specialty store and not at my local krogers?

I did paleo for a week and lost a quick 5 pounds, but the stress of the workweek got to me by the weekend and i started chomping on junk food again.

You guys have inspired me to give it another try. The food preparation time is the hardest part, along with getting wifey to help out. But i def. felt better when i was doing it and i got addicted to avocadoes.

Also, why are green beans, peanuts, / legumes not allowed on the diet. Seems like those are things the cavemen would have eaten. Must have high glycemic index?

[birddog]

How do you tell if beef is grass fed or not?

Also, why are green beans, peanuts, / legumes not allowed on the diet. Seems like those are things the cavemen would have eaten. Must have high glycemic index?

if it is grass fed, it will be labeled as such. In st. Louis, I either have to buy it at Trader Joe's, Whole Foods, or a farmer's market from a farmer that grows his beef on grass. You can also buy it on the Internet.

Green beans, sugar snaps and snow peas are fine because they are mostly pod. Beans as considered an anti- nutrient that can cause inflammation and leaky gut. Check out this link for more. http://www.paleoplan.com/2011/04-27/phytates/.

[Mantokir]

How do you tell if beef is grass fed or not? I don't see any indications on the packaging. I have to assume it's not grass fed. Is that soemthing you have to buy at a specialty store and not at my local krogers?

I did paleo for a week and lost a quick 5 pounds, but the stress of the workweek got to me by the weekend and i started chomping on junk food again.

You guys have inspired me to give it another try. The food preparation time is the hardest part, along with getting wifey to help out. But i def. felt better when i was doing it and i got addicted to avocadoes.

Also, why are green beans, peanuts, / legumes not allowed on the diet. Seems like those are things the cavemen would have eaten. Must have high glycemic index?

If you have a hard time with the time aspect of it, you can always go "Semi-Paleo", and instead of making things from scratch, find things like frozen veggies, or fruits and veggies that you can just grab and go. Also so thing like cooking up everything on Sunday and separating it, putting it in containers and stick it in the fridge.

Peanuts and Legumes aren't allowed due to phytates and anti-nutrients, basically an anti-nutrient is a magnet for nutrients, that you can't digest. So you have this molecule running through your intestines, attracting whatever nutrient/s it wants... then it leaves your system. That's why people can eat tons of grains and still not get all the nutrients they need.

A book you might want to look at as well, is Everyday Paleo by Sarah Fragoso... here's her site. http://everydaypaleo.com/

She's a mother of 3 and still manages to cook each and every meal they eat...

Another note on the beans and whatnot, back in the caveman days, plants like that you probably wouldn't have found in large groups, so as a result we wouldn't have eaten them too often. Kinda like wheat... cost/benefit deal.