The best discussion of Obomba's ineligibility

[phideaux]

Does this lady look or sound like a crackpot?

She is right on target throughout the entire interview.

[Tbonz]

I'm sorry Phid, but 52 min, can I get the cliff notes?

[Al K. Hall]

I must be honest: I have "birth certificate fatigue." Are there not a thousand different problems with Obama besides which country issued his birth certificate?

[phideaux]

I'm sorry Phid, but 52 min, can I get the cliff notes?

See my dozens of other posts on the subject here at GIM.

1. Obomba is not a "natural-born citizen."

2. He did nothing to stop the alleged "vetting error" that for 15 years told the world that he was born in Kenya.

2. His birth certificate is a forgery.

3. His draft registration card is a forgery.

4. This is all being covered up and censored by the "mainstream" (Leftist)media.

There's a lot more. She didn't even get to the fact that his is using a forged or stolen Social Security Card.

Anybody interested in this subject, this is a "must listen." Well worth the time.

[phideaux]

I must be honest: I have "birth certificate fatigue." Are there not a thousand different problems with Obama besides which country issued his birth certificate?

His ineligibility is the root of all the other problems.

[Al K. Hall]

See my dozens of other posts on the subject here at GIM.

1. Obomba is not a "natural-born citizen."

2. He did nothing to stop the alleged "vetting error" that for 15 years told the world that he was born in Kenya.

2. His birth certificate is a forgery.

3. His draft registration card is a forgery.

4. This is all being covered up and censored by the "mainstream" (Leftist)media.

There's a lot more.

Seriously, anybody interested in this subject, this is a "must listen." Well worth the time.

And she didn't even get to the fact that his is using a forged or stolen Social Security Card.

Here's what I don't get: what is the purpose of "President Barack H. Obama"? Why put someone so shady in power? Some sort of payback? Something occult? I mean, though I'm tried of hearing endlessly about it, it really does look like the guy's a Kenyan...among a lot of other non-beneficial things.

[TimoneX]

I nearly stopped it seconds in when a voice says "Dedicated to preserving American Democracy". Ugh.

[phideaux]

I nearly stopped it seconds in when a voice says "Dedicated to preserving American Democracy". Ugh.

Frank Gaffney certainly is a neeeee-owe-connnnnn. But he's just asking the questions.

The Left-Stream Media won't give anybody the time of day on the issue, so investigators like Diana West have to go wherever they can to bring attention to the Lord Barry the Usurper's ineligibility.

[Tbonz]

Phid,

I believe you, and I believe Dumbo is a fraud.

I will trust your opinion and watch it tomorrow.

Tbonz

[phideaux]

Here's what I don't get: what is the purpose of "President Barack H. Obama"? Why put someone so shady in power? Some sort of payback? Something occult? I mean, though I'm tried of hearing endlessly about it, it really does look like the guy's a Kenyan...among a lot of other non-beneficial things.

Unequivocally, Barry Jr. in a Kenyan.

According to Kenyan and British colonial law at the time Barry Jr. was born, the child automatically inherits the citizenship of the father.

Even if Barry is also a US citizen, his dual status makes Barry not a natural-born US citizen.(BOTH parents must be US citizens and also the child born on US territory.)

[Al K. Hall]

Unequivocally, Barry Jr. in a Kenyan.

According to Kenyan and British colonial law at the time Barry Jr. was born, the child automatically inherits the citizenship of the father.

Even if Barry is also a US citizen, his dual status makes Barry not a natural-born US citizen.(BOTH parents must be US citizens and also the child born on US territory.)

Yes, but why? Why put him in the White House? Why not someone with a solid background?

[newmisty]

Cause they needed somebody slicker than slick Willy at this time. This guy won the world over by storm, just what was needed to usher in this next chapter we are in the middle of. Each chess piece has it's own unique moves and strategic functions known to the ones moving the pieces into play. Sometimes things aren't as they seem on the surface-then hindsite becomes 20/20.

[dollars]

Cause they needed somebody slicker than slick Willy at this time. This guy won the world over by storm, just what was needed to usher in this next chapter we are in the middle of. Each chess piece has it's own unique moves and strategic functions known to the ones moving the pieces into play. Sometimes things aren't as they seem on the surface-then hindsite becomes 20/20.

Sometimes things aren't as they seem on the surface-then hindsite becomes 20/20

how true

[gringott]

Yes, but why? Why put him in the White House? Why not someone with a solid background?

Note TPTB have been bringing down the Presidency in the eyes of the American people for years. They do this by putting corrupt people in the office, people of questionable backgrounds. Obama is just the latest, worst example. They are sending a message to those who may be awake:
"We can do what we want, and there is nothing you can do about it."

They control all the mass media outlets of any real size / scope. I have not once heard or seen a real disscussion of "natural born citizen" and what that means in respect to Obama. Lot of crap about where he was born, absolutly nothing in the MSM about his father not being a citizen of the USA.

Now look at who they promote for the Republican VP this year - Marco Rubio. Both his parents were actually Cubans when he was born, not US Citizens. Although he was born in the USA, he is not a "natural born citizen". No discussion at all in the MSM about this, in fact they promote him - meaning to me that he is compromised.

Keep in mind that Adoph Hitler was an Austrian citizen, not a German.

Thanks for the post, Phideaux.

[oldgaranddad]

Obama is toast if Romney becomes president. There are factions of the GOP who will demand that there be a full investigation of Obama's birth certificate, selective service and other histories. There will be no compelling reason for Romney to disagree. Obama and his supporters will not be able to defy a presidential commission. Hawaii will have to provide the original certificate or the whole microfiche reel; schools will have to provide transcripts and the selective service and social security too will have cough up their records. There is no downside to Romney. If all of Obama's documentation checks out then Romney can say he put the issues to bed and healed the divides in the nation. If Obama's records are false Romney can use the excuse that he is battling a mess by an illegitimate president and repealing illegal laws, decrees and fiat regulations to enact whatever programs he is pushing at the time. A win-win for Romney, if Obama does not destroy the country in his lame duck reign.

[Irons]

Obama is toast if Romney becomes president. There are factions of the GOP who will demand that there be a full investigation of Obama's birth certificate, selective service and other histories. There will be no compelling reason for Romney to disagree. Obama and his supporters will not be able to defy a presidential commission. Hawaii will have to provide the original certificate or the whole microfiche reel; schools will have to provide transcripts and the selective service and social security too will have cough up their records. There is no downside to Romney. If all of Obama's documentation checks out then Romney can say he put the issues to bed and healed the divides in the nation. If Obama's records are false Romney can use the excuse that he is battling a mess by an illegitimate president and repealing illegal laws, decrees and fiat regulations to enact whatever programs he is pushing at the time. A win-win for Romney, if Obama does not destroy the country in his lame duck reign.

Sounds good don't it? Sorry to inform you rummney is one of them.

He will praise hussein for his monumental service to this great nation, tireless dedication to the American people and ask his advice on difficult issues.

They will have lunch, attend photo ops and hug.

No worries on seeing this though, the mormon was chosen to lose long ago.

[Uglytruth]

Why would anyone look for a birth certificate for barack obummer when his name when born was Barry Sortose? Has anyone looked for that birth certificate anywhere?

[phideaux]

Now look at who they promote for the Republican VP this year - Marco Rubio.

Piyush Jindal, too. (He goes by "Bobby". If I was named Piyush, I'd go by Bobby, too).

And Nimrata (Nikki) Haley..

And Sick Rick Santorum. His father was not a US citizen at the time Little Ricky was born. (His father later become a naturalized citizen.)

[phideaux]

Why would anyone look for a birth certificate for barack obummer when his name when born was Barry Sortose? Has anyone looked for that birth certificate anywhere?

If you mean "Soetoro", that was his adopted name after his parents got divorced and his mother married Indonesian guy Lolo Soetoro.

[Ebie]

....there be a full investigation of Obama's birth certificate, selective service and other histories. ....

Good post, but can you think of another time the the goevenment has done a full investigation?

[TimoneX]

Frank Gaffney certainly is a neeeee-owe-connnnnn. But he's just asking the questions.

The Left-Stream Media won't give anybody the time of day on the issue, so investigators like Diana West have to go wherever they can to bring attention to the Lord Barry the Usurper's ineligibility.

I did get through it, complete with commercials. West is succinct and comes off very credible. Definitely worth a listen if anyone is on the fence. Thanks doggie.

[phideaux]

Yes, but why? Why put him in the White House? Why not someone with a solid background?

The only thing I can see is TPTB are hell-bent on destroying "America as we knew it"

TPTB are positioned to pick up the pieces.

[dacrunch]

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Even if Barry is also a US citizen, his dual status makes Barry not a natural-born US citizen.(BOTH parents must be US citizens and also the child born on US territory.)

I clearly remember my 4th grade Civics class, in the 1960s, when, to my dismay, I learned, black on white in the textbook, that I could NOT hold the offices of President or Vice President of the United States, because one of my parents hadn't been born a United States citizen.

Through all this "birther" issue, I wondered when the law had changed to allow the son of a foreign-born person, (who on top of that never held US Citizenship - unlike my mother at the time of my birth), to hold the highest office of the land.

So, I was already a Truther. Now I'm a Birther too...

[dacrunch]

Sheriff Joe Arpaio Obama Eligibility Investigation Results – Full Video



The short videos screened in the press conference can be found below:

Video 1 On Obama Birth Certificate Regular Scan:



Video 2 On Obama Long Form Birth Certificate:



Video 3 On Obama Birth Certificate And OCR Software:



Video 4 On Obama Birth Certificate And Optimization:



Sheriff Joe Arpaio Cold Case Posse Conclusion Video On Obama Birth Certificate:



Sheriff Joe Arpaio Cold Case Posse Video On Obama Selective Service Fraud:

[anotherdave]

Unequivocally, Barry Jr. in a Kenyan.

According to Kenyan and British colonial law at the time Barry Jr. was born, the child automatically inherits the citizenship of the father.

Even if Barry is also a US citizen, his dual status makes Barry not a natural-born US citizen.(BOTH parents must be US citizens and also the child born on US territory.)

There are two issues here; 1. whether Obama has U.S. citizenship, and 2. whether Obama has the citizenship qualifications to be president.

I think you are inaccurate in describing the qualifications of either one. This is how "everybody knows" popular bullpucky gets to be "the law". Cites please.

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[phideaux]

There are two issues here; 1. whether Obama has U.S. citizenship, and 2. whether Obama has the citizenship qualifications to be president.

I think you are inaccurate in describing the qualifications of either one. This is how "everybody knows" popular bullpucky gets to be "the law". Cites please.

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Did you listen to the interview? It's all explained in detail by Diana West.

The definition of "Natural Born" is plain and simple. Both of your parents must be US citizens at the time of your birth, and you must be born on US territory.

The Supreme Court affirmed this definition in the case Minor vs. Happersett

http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress....t-revisited-2/

[anotherdave]

Did you listen to the interview? It's all explained in detail by Diana West.

The definition of "Natural Born" is plain and simple. Both of your parents must be US citizens at the time of your birth, and you must be born on US territory.

The Supreme Court affirmed this definition in the case Minor vs. Happersett

http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress....t-revisited-2/

Good stuff, phideaux! It's going to take me a little while to respond.

[southfork]

Phid,

I believe you, and I believe Dumbo is a fraud.

I will trust your opinion and watch it tomorrow.

Tbonz

I believe him to be illegtimate also but nothing has or will be done.

[gringott]

I clearly remember my 4th grade Civics class, in the 1960s, when, to my dismay, I learned, black on white in the textbook, that I could NOT hold the offices of President or Vice President of the United States, because one of my parents hadn't been born a United States citizen.

Through all this "birther" issue, I wondered when the law had changed to allow the son of a foreign-born person, (who on top of that never held US Citizenship - unlike my mother at the time of my birth), to hold the highest office of the land.

So, I was already a Truther. Now I'm a Birther too...

You do know that some Democrats in Congress tried to unconstitutionally change it before the election, and failed?
You do know that they held hearings to determine if McCain could run as he was born in the Canal Zone of Panama of two US Citizens [like my son]?

They know what they do. They are rubbing our noses in it, saying "what are you going to do about it, birther?"

[Ebie]

I believe him to be illegtimate also but nothing has or will be done.

Good post.
It's been 4 years now.
The courts and congress seem unwilling to act.
There is no other real mechanism.

[anotherdave]

Did you listen to the interview? It's all explained in detail by Diana West.

The definition of "Natural Born" is plain and simple. Both of your parents must be US citizens at the time of your birth, and you must be born on US territory.

The Supreme Court affirmed this definition in the case Minor vs. Happersett

http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress....t-revisited-2/

Unequivocally, Barry Jr. in a Kenyan.

Unequivocally? Cites please!

According to Kenyan and British colonial law at the time Barry Jr. was born, the child automatically inherits the citizenship of the father.

If Kenya or Great Britain were trying to claim Obama as their own, we would have an issue, but they are not. Kenyan and British Colonial law doesn't mean squat so far as U.S. citizenship is concerned.

Even if Barry is also a US citizen, his dual status makes Barry not a natural-born US citizen.

Dual status attenuates citizenship? Cites please.

(BOTH parents must be US citizens and also the child born on US territory.)

To be a U.S. citizen, and hence president, correct? The Court in Minor v. Happersett would disagree "it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also." but does not limit citizenship to only that. The Court also states that "Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their parents."

Don't get me wrong, I'm not picking on you or the good Americans who want to bring the issue of Barack Obama's birth and citizenship out into the sunlight. This whole affair stinks, and those in official positions who have withheld or falsified information should be held on charges no less than treason.

Where I have a problem is with the "everybody knows" flapdoodle that gets thrown around as "the law". Citizenship is a good (or bad) example; let's look at a few things that can be learned just thru Minor v. Happersett http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/htm...8_0162_ZS.html

Mrs. Virginia Minor, a native born, free, white citizen of the United States, and of the State of Missouri,..

This is from the pleadings. The decision was from 1875, a period after the 14th Amendment, granting the status of citizenship upon "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof,.." yet before the 17th Amendment, giving direct representation to those same citizens subject to the jurisdiction thereof.

Note that Mrs. Virginia Minor also claimed citizenship in her state! When's the last time you saw that? Never, probably. But pre-14th that was the only way to U.S citizenship, outside of living the the D.C. or in the U.S. territories.

The above is the most important fact you can know, as far as citizenship goes: "We, the People" were primary citizens of the individual states, and thru that citizenship became also U.S. citizens. Todays "citizens of the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof" are a different class, established in 1864, and when in the states are referred to as "residents".

The right of suffrage was not necessarily one of the privileges or immunities of citizenship before the adoption of the fourteenth amendment, and that amendment does not add to these privileges and immunities. It simply furnishes additional guaranty for the protection of such as the citizen already had.

As far as state citizens are concerned, for suffrage, the Fourteenth is a nullity, .

And the Supreme Court said so!

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[phideaux]

Kenyan and British Colonial law doesn't mean squat so far as U.S. citizenship is concerned..

No, but Kenyan and British law mean everything in terms of Kenyan and British citizenship.

The concept of multiple citizenship is recognized by every country. Obama is at least a dual citizen, probably quadruple: US, Kenya, Britain and Indonesia.

A country does not have to "claim" a citizen for that person's citizenship to be valid. If you are born a citizen, you die a citizen unless you go through the process of revoking it. There is no record whatsoever of Obama ever doing so.

There are a lot of citizens whose country would like to disown them, but that can't be done as a matter of "we don't like this guy, so he's no longer a citizen."

Dual status attenuates citizenship? Cites please. .

No, it attenuates "natural born" status.

To be a U.S. citizen, and hence president, correct? The Court in Minor v. Happersett would disagree "it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also." but does not limit citizenship to only that. The Court also states that "Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their parents." .

No, to be a "natural born" citizen.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not picking on you or the good Americans who want to bring the issue of Barack Obama's birth and citizenship out into the sunlight. This whole affair stinks, and those in official positions who have withheld or falsified information should be held on charges no less than treason. .

Agreed.

Where I have a problem is with the "everybody knows" flapdoodle that gets thrown around as "the law". Citizenship is a good (or bad) example; let's look at a few things that can be learned just thru Minor v. Happersett http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/htm...8_0162_ZS.html

This is from the pleadings. The decision was from 1875, a period after the 14th Amendment, granting the status of citizenship upon "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof,.." yet before the 17th Amendment, giving direct representation to those same citizens subject to the jurisdiction thereof.

Note that Mrs. Virginia Minor also claimed citizenship in her state! When's the last time you saw that? Never, probably. But pre-14th that was the only way to U.S citizenship, outside of living the the D.C. or in the U.S. territories.

The above is the most important fact you can know, as far as citizenship goes: "We, the People" were primary citizens of the individual states, and thru that citizenship became also U.S. citizens. Todays "citizens of the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof" are a different class, established in 1864, and when in the states are referred to as "residents".
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None of this has any bearing whatsoever on the definition of "natural born" citizen.

As far as state citizens are concerned, for suffrage, the Fourteenth is a nullity, .

And the Supreme Court said so!

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The 14th in no way, shape, or form addresses the definition of "natural born" citizen.

I'm not a lawyer and I don't play one on TeeVee. Again, I refer you to Leo D'Onofrio, who is a lawyer and an expert on citizenship. http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/

Mario Apuzo is another lawyer who has studied the issue extensively.
http://puzo1.blogspot.com/2009/04/ob...y-also_07.html

[anotherdave]

None of this has any bearing whatsoever on the definition of "natural born" citizen.

The 14th in no way, shape, or form addresses the definition of "natural born" citizen.

Agreed. But neither did your Minor v. Happersett.

You're going to have a tough time disqualifying Mr. Obabma on that issue if you can't point to the standard that you are measuring him against.

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[phideaux]

Diana West is on live KHOW Denver.

Listen online NOW, or check the archives later today http://www.khow.com/main.html

[phideaux]

Agreed. But neither did your Minor v. Happersett.

You're going to have a tough time disqualifying Mr. Obabma on that issue if you can't point to the standard that you are measuring him against.

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I'm not a lawyer, but these two and many others do say that the Minor case does define the standard.

http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/

http://puzo1.blogspot.com

[anotherdave]

I'm not a lawyer, but these two and many others do say that the Minor case does define the standard.

http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/

http://puzo1.blogspot.com

I have a problem with gurus. Here's the syllabus and the opinion for the case itself:

http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/htm...8_0162_ZS.html

It's certainly quicker and clearer than trying to parse the logic of others who try to interpret it for you; even me, as I tried above.

Now, instead of sending us to some website, you can point to the relevant passages directly.

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[phideaux]

I have a problem with gurus. Here's the syllabus and the opinion for the case itself:

http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/htm...8_0162_ZS.html

It's certainly quicker and clearer than trying to parse the logic of others who try to interpret it for you; even me, as I tried above.

Now, instead of sending us to some website, you can point to the relevant passages directly.

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The lawyers I reference don't pretend to be gurus. They make it clear on their web sites. They're practicing attorneys who have brought cases seeking Obama to release his records,

The Minor case was not brought to define "natural born" status, it's about the voting rights of women. The natural born issue is mentioned as a side note. The syllabus only discusssed the main issues of the case.

It's clear, they indicate that two citizen parenrs are required for the child to be "natural born."

"it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners."[12

Note parents, plural.

[anotherdave]

The lawyers I reference don't pretend to be gurus. They make it clear on their web sites. They're practicing attorneys who have brought cases seeking Obama to release his records,

The Minor case was not brought to define "natural born" status, it's about the voting rights of women. The natural born issue is mentioned as a side note. The syllabus only discusssed the main issues of the case.

It's clear, they indicate that two citizen parenrs are required for the child to be "natural born."



Note parents, plural.

Which is immediately nullified by:

"Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their parents."

--Minor v. Hapersett, as quoted in my post #31 above. You'll please note that I already noted your quote.

If your lawyers were any good, they'd at least reference a case having something to do with the subject--the qualifications to be president--rather than dicta; dicta which is controverted in the next paragraph!

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[Irons]

You do know that some Democrats in Congress tried to unconstitutionally change it before the election, and failed?
You do know that they held hearings to determine if McCain could run as he was born in the Canal Zone of Panama of two US Citizens [like my son]?

They know what they do. They are rubbing our noses in it, saying "what are you going to do about it, birther?"

BINGO, unfortunatly. This thread...................

[Ebie]

"what are you going to do about it, birther?"

Yes.
There is almost no discussion about what to do.

[phideaux]

Which is immediately nullified by:

"Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their parents.".

"Some authorities" don't override the specific wording of a Supreme Court decision.

[phideaux]

BINGO, unfortunatly. This thread...................

Won't be dead until the Supreme Court rules on the case..

They have no cajones. They have failed to even hear one case on the issue.

[Irons]

Won't be dead until the Supreme Court rules on the case..

They have no cajones. They have failed to even hear one case on the issue.

Pfffft!! Uppity peasants think thier opinions mean anything? Laws? BAHAHAHAHA!!

Sorry Fido they won't even take the time to humor us by acting concerned anymore.

[anotherdave]

"Some authorities" don't override the specific wording of a Supreme Court decision.

You can't be serious. That WAS the Supreme Court decision!

Anybody that wants to follow you and your experts, have at it. It was a dead end in 1875, and the court said so obiter dicta in your own cite. You just failed to read what the court said in the following paragraph. No, I won't quote it here a third time.

This does not mean that the Obama citizenship issue has been explored adequately. It sure as Hell hasn't! Or that the wailing of the liberals has softened my cold, libertarian heart. Only that you've got no case.

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[phideaux]

You can't be serious. That WAS the Supreme Court decision!

Anybody that wants to follow you and your experts, have at it. It was a dead end in 1875, and the court said so obiter dicta in your own cite. You just failed to read what the court said in the following paragraph. No, I won't quote it here a third time.

This does not mean that the Obama citizenship issue has been explored adequately. It sure as Hell hasn't! Or that the wailing of the liberals has softened my cold, libertarian heart. Only that you've got no case.

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It's not my case, it is Obomba's. Why has he spent an estimated $3 million in legal fees to prevent the American public from seeing his original birth certificate?

Not to mention many thousands more to prevent release of his alleged academic records at 3 colleges?

There is a criminal investigation underway in AZ concerning multiple counts of potential fraud and forgery.

Forged birth certificate
Forged draft registration card
Forged or stolen Social Security card

The "case" is not going away, If fraud and forgery are affirmed, the case will be prosecuted.

[Ebie]

Forged birth certificate
Forged draft registration card
Forged or stolen Social Security card

The "case" is not going away, If fraud and forgery are affirmed, the case will be prosecuted.

Not going away, and, not going anywhere either, unless the TPTB that spent 3b$ to get him elected, want to do so...