Breaking News: Supreme Court Upholds ObamaCare

[phideaux]

The reality is that Ron Paul doesn't stand a snowball's chance of getting elected no matter how much we like him (and there is a lot I like about him, with reservations about his foreign policy). I have absolutely no problem with voting for Romney since he is the only person who can realistically oust Emperor Obama from the White House at this point. I'll take a RINO over the current jackass any day to save the republic.

Smittens is a sheep in wolf's clothing.

Sure, he's a few iotas less socialist than Obomba, but that's not saying much.

Smittens will support the continued bailouts and dependency of banksters on taxpayer backing,

He'll continue if not expand the phony phiat policies of the Goobermint and the Fed. He thinks The Bernanke is "doing a good job."

He'll continue if not expand the multitude of undeclared wars going on around the world.

He'll continue if not expand the declared War on Drugs, which is a war on the free will of the American people.

Sure, Smittens is the lesser of the two evils, but he's still one of the evils of two lessers.

[Rusty Shackelford]

"The Big Deal" is that the Federal Goobermint forcing its subjects to buy something they don't want is TYRANNY!

No Fido, you are wrong. The subjects want health care. They just want it free. I have always said you can solve the uninsured issue by getting rid of the mandate that hospitals have to treat you if you can afford the service. we are all up in arm that we are being forced to buy something, but little is said about services being forcible rendered. That is what scares me. You are a doctor?? you must fix people regardless of being paid. You're a plumber?? Guess what you will do repairs across the board and maybe get paid. Same as a painter, carpenter, mechanic etc etc etc.

From each to each.....pretty scary if you ask me

[Dude]

The reality is that Ron Paul doesn't stand a snowball's chance of getting elected no matter how much we like him (and there is a lot I like about him, with reservations about his foreign policy). I have absolutely no problem with voting for Romney since he is the only person who can realistically oust Emperor Obama from the White House at this point. I'll take a RINO over the current jackass any day to save the republic.

My Uncle's jackass was really upset when he read that you made such a comparison.

[phideaux]

No Fido, you are wrong. The subjects want health care. They just want it free. I have always said you can solve the uninsured issue by getting rid of the mandate that hospitals have to treat you if you can afford the service. we are all up in arm that we are being forced to buy something, but little is said about services being forcible rendered. That is what scares me. You are a doctor?? you must fix people regardless of being paid. You're a plumber?? Guess what you will do repairs across the board and maybe get paid. Same as a painter, carpenter, mechanic etc etc etc.

From each to each.....pretty scary if you ask me

Wrong? Moi? Never!

A lot of people including me, don't want "health insurance", free or otherwise. I have little confidence in or use for conventional Western medicine, other than for things like setting a broken bone or stitching up a gash. If I ever need those services, I'll pay as I go. Under ObombaCare, self-insurance is not an option.

Dr. Ron Paul often talks about the indentured servant aspect of being a doctor. When he first started, they would gladly donate their time and services to treat the indigent and the impoverished. That pretty much ended in the mid 1960s when Medicare and Medicaid were hatched.

I'm old enough to remember those days in the early 1960s when doctors made house calls, for $5 a visit. One doctor who lived a few blocks away wouldn't charge anything. He would just stop by our house on his way home. My father would mix a drink for him to "pay" him.

A doctor in my old town recently tried to make it as a housecall-only doctor, to serve the elderly and immobile. She figured she would have to charge $200 for every visit just to break even to cover insurance and legal expenses. And Medicare/Medicaid wouldn't cover any of it. She gave up after 3 months.

To quote the Wicked Witch of the West, "What a world, what a world..."

[honu5050]

the court needs to hold up their pants tighter so not to take it in da azz !

[K_Flynn]

in all honesty, it's not that big of a deal. if they can steal money from my income to pay for welfare, social security, murdering & torturing anyone under the sun, propagandist schools, molesting me at airports, etc, this is just more of the same.

This is not the beginning of the end. The end began when the constitution of no authority was signed.

the good thing about it is that it is stirring people up. maybe it will serve to "wake up" some more folks.

[Spike]

Five Reasons Why the Obamacare Decision Might Not Be As Bad As You Think
Posted on June 29, 2012 at 12:07am

1. Mitt Romney now will have a much easier time defeating Barack Obama

When it comes to this one, as President Obama might say, “this is not politics, this is math.” In the not-quite-24-hours since Obamacare was ruled constitutional, Mitt Romney has raised a breathtaking $3 million, according to Politico. Why? We’ll let Erick Erickson make the case for us:

Finally, while I am not down on John Roberts like many of you are today, i will be very down on Congressional Republicans if they do not now try to shut down the individual mandate. Force the Democrats on the record about the mandate. Defund Obamacare. This now, by necessity, is a political fight and the GOP sure as hell should fight.

60% of Americans agree with them on the issue. And guess what? The Democrats have been saying for a while that individual pieces of Obamacare are quite popular. With John Roberts’ opinion, the repeal fight takes place on GOP turf, not Democrat turf. The all or nothing repeal has always been better ground for the GOP and now John Roberts has forced everyone onto that ground. Oh, and as I mentioned earlier, because John Roberts concluded it was a tax, the Democrats cannot filibuster its repeal because of the same reconciliation procedure the Democrats used to pass it.

It seems very, very clear to me in reviewing John Roberts’ decision that he is playing a much longer game than us and can afford to with a life tenure. And he probably just handed Mitt Romney the White House.

How else to put it? Romney has been handed an issue where 60 percent of the voting public agree with him and told to run with it. The reaction of many people who previously were skeptical of Romney shows just how powerful this is – he has transformed from the problematic standard bearer of a party that might potentially have to face thorny questions on health care to the anti-Obamacare candidate: Anti-mandate, anti-massive tax on the middle class, and pro-liberty. Some have claimed his own law in Massachusetts will end up being used against him in this case. If that’s true, we’re at a loss for who could possibly use it. The Obama administration has to run on their record, and the fact of the matter is that running on a law that imposes a massive, unpopular tax on the whole country, is going to look a heck of a lot worse than running while disowning a previous experiment with the idea at the state level and promising to do away with the national version once elected. Romney’s moment of heresy was years ago. Obama’s is right now.

Do these reasons presuppose a massive gamble on Roberts’ part? Absolutely. Could things go ruinously wrong if the makeup of the Court shifts to the Left after this decision? Yes. Could things go ruinously wrong if Mitt Romney doesn’t win in November? Obviously. But this decision could still turn out to be the nail in the coffin of the Obama Presidency. Or, perhaps more appropriately, this Court could be the death panel that decides it‘s time for Obama’s administration to end its life.


The other 4 reasons here.... http://www.theblaze.com/stories/five...-as-you-think/

[gringott]

If you haven't seen this "REALITY CHECK" then go to this post.
If it is a tax, then it was passed improperly [originated in the Senate, not the house] remember that "deemed it passed" because they didn't want to chance a vote again?
Hat tip to Goldhedge, he posted the link here:
http://www.goldismoney2.com/showthre...=reality+check

That guy will be fired soon. He keeps telling the truth.

[Spike]

If it is a tax, then it was passed improperly [originated in the Senate, not the house] remember that "deemed it passed" because they didn't want to chance a vote again?

Remember when Obama lied and tried to embarrass the Supreme Court during his State of the Union speech?

Roberts was shaking his head? remember?..payback is a bitch... Roberts owns this mother f/ker.

Roberts wasn't going to help get Obama off the hook with this shtty healthcare law by striking it down. No....he was going to make him wear it, and at the cost of his presidency.

So why a tax? If Romney and the american people can't run with Roberts ruling and clean house this november, calling it a tax will open the door again for further Supreme Court rulings once this Obamacare is active...here's how.

""A 19th-century law, the Anti-Injunction Act, forbids challenges to tax assessments until they are due, barring suits “for the purpose of restraining the assessment or collection of any tax.” The Supreme Court had interpreted the term “tax” very broadly for purposes of the law, and it has suggested that the act is “jurisdictional,” meaning that courts are powerless to hear suits barred by it even if both sides agree to proceed.

If the Supreme Court considers the individual mandate a tax under the Anti-Injunction Act, it may conclude that it cannot hear a challenge until April 15, 2015, when the first penalties become due.""

Roberts is a f/king jenius

[Thornapple]

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[TimoneX]

Getting a kick out of all the people that think willard will ride this wave into the whitehouse, and it's a good thing. Even if mittens does win, this will just push the boundaries of executive overreach even further. Mittens will be every bit the treasonous warmonger barry is.

Now he'll just be the guy that's NOT Obama for awhile. Just as Obama was the guy that's NOT shrub.

We never learn.

[newmisty]

I have a seriously hard time picturing smittens at the wheel. If by some chance he got in, we would be in for a HELL of a ride. Just can't even picture it guys...Blowyermoma is staying in for a bit longer IMO.

[TimoneX]

I did finally see ONE whole mittens sign. To say his supporters are unenthusiastic would I think be kind. I can just see him in an interview. So Mitt, what is it you think you can bring to the office of POTUS?

Well my name is not barry...

[honu5050]

Getting a kick out of all the people that think willard will ride this wave into the whitehouse, and it's a good thing. Even if mittens does win, this will just push the boundaries of executive overreach even further. Mittens will be every bit the treasonous warmonger barry is.

Now he'll just be the guy that's NOT Obama for awhile. Just as Obama was the guy that's NOT shrub.

We never learn.

has everyone lost their marbles ? our.. or should say their presidents a puppet WTF.

[Fanakapan]

I have a seriously hard time picturing smittens at the wheel.

I understand his Dog has first hand experience

[keef]

Guys,

One thing I have not even seen the tiniest hint of here...

We ALL know the USD is gonna take a dump. This is really not up for debate any longer.

Obamacare is what, 2015?

Does anyone here really believe that the USD is going to make it to 2015?

Aside from the outrageous assault on the Constitution, this whole tsimmis is moot. So don't worry that the Titanic's lights went out... the sumb!tch is sinking anyway.

Thankyou Unca! This whole thread is like watching rats scurry from steerage to 2nd class.

While the smart rats already grabbed a small piece of the cheese and abandoned ship.

wtf, this is like arguing over a monopoly game that already ended in 2008.

I feel like Mick Jaggar at Altamont, "People...." Oh well. It is entertaining in a dark way.

[phideaux]

I understand his Dog has first hand experience

Woof woof!

Ya know how dogs like to stick their head out of car windows?

I asked my cousin Seamus about this and he said he'd jump right up there on the roof of Romney's car again in a second.

Woof woof!

Fido

[keef]

Someone has politics confused with liberty.

Here is your first clue. Compromise is the first step to selling your soul. So how much to get you to put in a chip? 20k? 100K? To keep your benefits, your job, your life?

Each step of compromise leads to another step down the proverbial road to hell.

No more compromise. Majority party? Who would that be? Based on the numbers of voters (or lack thereof), the KKKrats vote for KKKrats and the KKKons vote for KKKons.

I wonder what a supreme court ruling costs these days. 1b? 2?

We have already decided what they are, now we are just haggling over price.

You should be sitting on The Supreme Court, Dodgy. Why you settled for piston jockey, I'll never know. Then you could discover what ur price would be. We all have one, do we not?

The old serpant is still the most subtle creature of the field. He wins just about every case he tries through flattery/smooth lies and subtle deceptions. Mis-cues, slight of hand, it's all good.

I still can't figure out if humanity is blind or just plain gullable?

I guess that will be a mute point as we graduly submerse into this bucket of ice water.

[southfork]

If you haven't seen this "REALITY CHECK" then go to this post.
If it is a tax, then it was passed improperly [originated in the Senate, not the house] remember that "deemed it passed" because they didn't want to chance a vote again?
Hat tip to Goldhedge, he posted the link here:
http://www.goldismoney2.com/showthre...=reality+check

That guy will be fired soon. He keeps telling the truth.

All true however the rule of law no longer stands when the WH, DOJ and SCOTUS have their agendas, all too sad.

[curmudgeonista]

I did finally see ONE whole mittens sign. To say his supporters are unenthusiastic would I think be kind. I can just see him in an interview. So Mitt, what is it you think you can bring to the office of POTUS?

Well my name is not barry...

You'd be surprised! Romney supporters get shouted down by every flake and splinter group on the right, not to mention a full-blown assault from the left and their MSM.

Romney supporters are pragmatists. They're biding their time, and their time will come. But why waste effort scoring batting practice? The pitchers are only warming up at this point.

It's a shame, but you know why it's so hard to oust an incumbent? It's generally not because their records are so sterling or their support so firm. It's because their opposition slaughters each other before we ever get to the main event.

Not that this time is any different... the blood-letting in the pre-lims worse than ever. But, when the starting bell rings for this two man final bout (and don't kid yourself that it's not - fringe party candidates won't even show up on the radar) Romney's support will be there in full force. Anyone still wanting to gripe about lost chances for RP and others will be a joke.

[DodgebyDave]

You should be sitting on The Supreme Court, Dodgy. Why you settled for piston jockey, I'll never know. Then you could discover what ur price would be. We all have one, do we not?

The old serpant is still the most subtle creature of the field. He wins just about every case he tries through flattery/smooth lies and subtle deceptions. Mis-cues, slight of hand, it's all good.

I still can't figure out if humanity is blind or just plain gullable?

I guess that will be a mute point as we graduly submerse into this bucket of ice water.

I'm a cheap slut, Keef. I work for principles.

[keef]

you know what pisses me off the most?

this is exactly why Khan left Gim, along with Barnacle Bob and so many others,

they lost hope, they decided f$#% it, it be what it be, see ya on the other side,

some of us retained a sliver of hope that things could change for the better one day,

I shall not hold out for any such false hope any longer,

S

As a recovering alcoholic (since 1986), I have delt with denial almost my whole life long. But nothing like I witness on this forum on a day to day basis, NOTHING.

I feel like the kid in grade school that has to stand up in front of the class and announce the death of a class mate's parent or a dear pet.

Hank, you wake up one day and the captain and much of the crew are gone? What does that tell a reasonable person? I left too.

I only returned to tell Platiundude a dream I had and planned on following khan myself. Then I looked around and. .. Well, it's been nice sailing with you guys, but we really pushed this voyage about as far as she floats.

Dam, we were talking about this in fuggin 2005. Now that it is starting to happen everyone is in pain?

JUST BE GLAD YOU ARE THIS FAR AHEAD OF THE REST OF THE CLASS.

Be mad, be sad, be whatever and get over it. When the real trouble gets here this country is going to need real leaders, future leaders.

Not cry babies and looters.

End of lecture, I am so tired of spelling out the obvious. I feel like Anne Sullivan.

Quit fuggin believin in Santa Claus and the Lone Ranger already. They ain't gonna show.

Edit: This is not for you Scorp, cuz I really believe you caught on. This is mainly for the folks you and the other brave souls who did not abandon ship will have to mod from here on out.

Me? My plans were made out years ago. The sailing is actually smoother now than before I became a gimmer.

A man learns a thing or two crawling off of skid row. If you can survive* through 48 hours of constant DT's you can live through about anything this planet throws your way.

Now you folks will get to learn.

*I also had to change 'live' to 'survive'. I forgot about when I died and the demons around my bed fought over my soul for about an hour.. That changes ur outlook on life, if you ever get to talk about it.

[keef]

I'm a cheap slut, Keef. I work for principles.

But ur an HONEST cheap slut. The kind I brought home to mom



Hey, those girls were FUN. That is why they had so many notches on the gun belt.

If Hank would just open the bar and a forum called the shlt house? I could tell some REAL stories around here. I wish. But people freak out when I speak like a mouse.

[Gcubed]

No one here has hit on what I see as the single most important point in this mess. We are losing the right to reach into our own pocket and pay our own doctor! The single payer system we are destined for, does just that. That my friends, aint LIBERTY.

[Oldmansmith]

No one here has hit on what I see as the single most important point in this mess. We are losing the right to reach into our own pocket and pay our own doctor! The single payer system we are destined for, does just that. That my friends, aint LIBERTY.

And when did prices skyrocket? When people started having "health care insurance."

This will solve the problem of skyrocketing health care costs just like more "free trade" agreements will bring back the manufacturing jobs lost under NAFTA.

[phideaux]

No one here has hit on what I see as the single most important point in this mess. We are losing the right to reach into our own pocket and pay our own doctor! The single payer system we are destined for, does just that. That my friends, aint LIBERTY.

Yup, self-insurance is true personal responsibility. Paying for an overpriced bloated universal one-size-fits-all "insurance policy" is playing right into the socialists' game. The healthy subsidizes the sick just as the rich subsidize the poor.

[cpthnsolo]

You guys will love this...

[EO 11110]

the unseen hand that controls both colors of the party...

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-3460_162...alth-care-law/

Chief Justice John Roberts initially sided with the Supreme Court's four conservative justices to strike down the heart of President Obama's health care reform law, the Affordable Care Act, but later changed his position and formed an alliance with liberals to uphold the bulk of the law, according to two sources with specific knowledge of the deliberations.

Roberts then withstood a month-long, desperate campaign to bring him back to his original position, the sources said. Ironically, Justice Anthony Kennedy - believed by many conservatives to be the justice most likely to defect and vote for the law - led the effort to try to bring Roberts back to the fold.

[DodgebyDave]

I'm one of the ten characters.

[keef]

"Lift your sack and spread your cheeks."

Everyone should do a year in the joint just to get used to this new police state. No privacy, structured living, jack boots in ur face, can't take a dump without ur neighbor staring at you.

You will get used to it. Doing time.

[Nickelless]

Just saw this on Yahoo:

Here Are The New Taxes You’re Going To Pay For Obamacare

A 3.8% surtax on "investment income" when your adjusted gross income is more than $200,000 ($250,000 for joint-filers). What is "investment income?" Dividends, interest, rent, capital gains, annuities, house sales, partnerships, etc. Taxes on dividends will rise from 15% to 18.8%--if Congress extends the Bush tax cuts. If Congress does not extend the Bush tax cuts, taxes on dividends will rise from 15% to a shocking 43.8%. (WSJ)
A 0.9% surtax on Medicare taxes for those making $200,000 or more ($250,000 joint). You already pay Medicare tax of 1.45%, and your employer pays another 1.45% for you (unless you're self-employed, in which case you pay the whole 2.9% yourself). Next year, your Medicare bill will be 2.35%. (WSJ)
Flexible Spending Account contributions will be capped at $2,500. Currently, there is no tax-related limit on how much you can set aside pre-tax to pay for medical expenses. Next year, there will be. If you have been socking away, say, $10,000 in your FSA to pay medical bills, you'll have to cut that to $2,500. (ATR.org)
The itemized-deduction hurdle for medical expenses is going up to $10,000. Right now, any medical expenses over $7,500 per year are deductible. Next year, that hurdle will be $10,000. (ATR.org)
The penalty on non-medical withdrawals from Healthcare Savings Accounts is now 20% instead of 10%. That's twice the penalty that applies to annuities, IRAs, and other tax-free vehicles. (ATR.org)
A tax of 10% on indoor tanning services. This has been in place for two years, since the summer of 2010. (ATR.org)
A 40% tax on "Cadillac Health Care Plans" starting in 2018.Those whose employers pay for all or most of comprehensive healthcare plans (costing $10,200 for an individual or $27,500 for families) will have to pay a 40% tax on the amount their employer pays. The 2018 start date is said to have been a gift to unions, which often have comprehensive plans. (ATR.org)
A"Medicine Cabinet Tax" that eliminates the ability to pay for over-the-counter medicines from a pre-tax Flexible Spending Account. This started in January 2011. (ATR.org)
A "penalty" tax for those who don't buy health insurance. This will phase in from 2014-2016. It will range from $695 per person to about $4,700 per person, depending on your income. (More details here.)
A tax on medical devices costing more than $100. Starting in 2013, medical device manufacturers will have to pay a 2.3% excise tax on medical equipment. This is expected to raise the cost of medical procedures. (Breitbart.com)

So those are some of the new taxes you'll be paying that will help pay for Obamacare.

Any big ones I've missed?

Note that these taxes are both "progressive" (aimed at rich people) and "regressive" (aimed at the middle class and poor people). The big ones--the 3.8% investment income hike and the Medicare tax increase--only hit you if you're making more than $200,000 a year. The rest hit you no matter how much you're making.

Here's How Much The Obamacare Penalty Tax Will Cost You

Many Americans are furious that Obamacare will require them to buy health insurance.

Most of these folks seem to hate the idea that Obama is forcing them to do something more than they hate the idea of shelling out money.

But for those who also care about the money, here are the details.

The good news is that, for most people, the "penalty tax" for those who choose not to buy health insurance will cost a lot less than health insurance.

As with everything tax-related, there's no simple answer to "How much is the Obamacare penalty tax?" But here are some key points, from FactCheck.org:

The penalty/tax will be phased in from 2014 to 2016.
The minimum penalty/tax in 2016 will be $695 per person and up to 3-times that per family. After 2016, these amounts will increase at the rate of inflation.
The minimum penalty/tax per person will start at $95 in 2014 (and then increase through 2016)
No family will ever pay more than 3X the per-person penalty, regardless of how many people are in the family.
The $695 per-person penalty is only for those who make between $9,500 and ~$37,000 per year. If you make less than ~$9.500, you're exempt. If you make more than ~$37,000, your penalty is calculated by the following formula...
The penalty is 2.5% of any household income above the level at which you are required to file a tax return. That level is currently $9,500 per person and $19,000 per couple. The penalty on any income above that is 2.5%. So the penalty can get expensive quickly if you make a lot of money.
However, the penalty can never be more than the cost of a "Bronze" heath insurance plan purchased through one of the state "exchanges" that will be created as part of Obamacare. The CBO estimates that these policies will cost $4,500-$5,000 per person and $12,000-$12,500 per family in 2016, with the costs rising thereafter.

So, basically, you're looking at penalties of approximately the following at the following income levels:

Less than $9,500 income = $0
$9,500 - $37,000 income = $695
$50,000 income = $1,000
$75,000 income = $1,600
$100,000 income = $2,250
$125,000 income = $2,900
$150,000 income = $3,500
$175,000 income = $4,100
$200,000 income = $4,700
Over $200,000 = The cost of a "bronze" health-insurance plan

The IRS will collect the penalty-tax, a fact that will no doubt further enrage those who hate Obamacare.

But here's some more good news for those folks:

The IRS will not have the power to charge you criminally or seize your assets if you refuse to pay. The IRS will only have the ability to sue you. And the most the IRS can collect from you if it wins the suit is 2X the amount you owe. So if you want to thumb your nose at the penalty-tax, the IRS won't be able to do as much to you as they could if you refused to pay, say, income tax.

By the way, the following folks will be exempt from the penalty-tax:

Those who make less than $9,500
Employees whose employers only offer plans that cost more than 8% of the employee's income
Those with "hardships"
Members of Indian tribes
Members of certain religions that don't pay Social Security tax, such as Amish, Hutterites or Mennonites

[Dude]

Oh, it's a screw job just to get votes from a whole bunch of people that think they are getting something better than they have.

[Silver Art]

This has probably been said on this thread so I apologize if this is a repeat. Obamacare only addresses the insurance coverage for people who currently do not have it and cannot get it (because of pre-existing conditons, not offered at work, current college students, etc). Obamacare does NOT address is the current medical costs of certain procedures and products. For example, let's just say that an MRI costs $2000 before Obamacare existed. After Obamacare gets passed, more people will have health insurance coverage (via the mandate), but the MRI will still costs $2000 and, more than likely, that cost (along with other medical costs) will go up since gov't is involved in the health insurance industry. Durable medical equipment (i.e wheelchairs, etc.) is going to cost more because I believe that there is now an "excise tax" (2.3%) that those durable medical equipment companies will have to pay on those products that have a price tag that is greater than $100. Of course the tax will get passed on to the consumers of the durable medical equipment.

Obamacare is a "health insurance tax" on U.S. citizens that do not have health insurance and it does not address the problem of high (and getting higher) medical costs. This "health insurance tax" will just mean even higher medical costs for everyone.

[Silver Art]

So, basically, you're looking at penalties of approximately the following at the following income levels:

Less than $9,500 income = $0
$9,500 - $37,000 income = $695
$50,000 income = $1,000
$75,000 income = $1,600
$100,000 income = $2,250
$125,000 income = $2,900
$150,000 income = $3,500
$175,000 income = $4,100
$200,000 income = $4,700
Over $200,000 = The cost of a "bronze" health-insurance plan

The IRS will collect the penalty-tax, a fact that will no doubt further enrage those who hate Obamacare.

But here's some more good news for those folks:

The IRS will not have the power to charge you criminally or seize your assets if you refuse to pay. The IRS will only have the ability to sue you. And the most the IRS can collect from you if it wins the suit is 2X the amount you owe. So if you want to thumb your nose at the penalty-tax, the IRS won't be able to do as much to you as they could if you refused to pay, say, income tax.

That is what it will be for now but I think that will change (i.e. get increased) in the future as more people will pay the "health insurance" tax will more than likely be less than what a current health insurance plan (family plan) will cost. Even though, for now, the IRS will not have the power to seize your assets or charge you criminally, that will not mean much because I feel that this will also change as people will refuse to pay the "health insurance tax" when it is in effect. I predict that the IRS will eventually be granted powers to go after you criminally and seize your assets for not paying the "health insurance" tax just like they can go after you for not paying your income taxes. After all this is the IRS you are talking about here and the gov't is in a $16 Trillion (and growing) debt and the U.S. gov't is also good at changing the rules during a game.