need a gun and pm home safe

[chief]

I'm getting ready to purchase my first firearm (handgun) and am wanting a safe not only for the gun, but to also store our important documents and precious metals. My budget for the safe is $400-$500. Not looking for something too big. Cabella's has a liberty brand home safe for $469 that is about 3 cubic feet. Something around that size is what I'm looking for. Any brands and advice you can help will be appreciated as I know very little about safes.

[Irons]

This is where a locking steel box starts to become a safe. Its only a RSC but its a good one and the fire rating is tops.

Whatever you decide on be sure to secure the hell out of it. Bolted into concrete or through wood into a steel plate.

http://www.safeandvaultstore.com/productdetails/724

http://www.wayfair.com/Gardall-Safe-...rtype=8&dept=0

[southfork]

Check and see if there's a safe store around the area, the one near here always has great deals on used safes and some scratch and dent ones.

[Sport]

I second the dealer suggestion for used safes. Also consider looking at craigslist.

[Abouthadit]

There are usually safe vendors at guns shows. You may want to check that out.

[Nickelless]

I have my important papers in a safe deposit box, but I don't have a safe for my guns. I'm hesitant to get a gun safe just because it would invite further scrutiny. I've got guns scattered around the house, at least one in every room, which IMO is better than having them all in one place if someone breaks in and somehow bypasses the ADT alarm. I'd rather not put all of my eggs in one basket.

[chief]

^ Sorry, but I have a 3 year old and one of my wife's requests when buying my gun is I have something to lock it up which I am totally fine with. I could just get a lock box for the gun but we still have our PMs and important documents to protect which is why I'm looking into a safe. I don't think I want the Sentry safe brand. I just don't feel comfortable with something that is sold at WalMart, and home improvement stores. No offense to anyone that has this brand. If you do, tell me why I should look into it. I have been talking to one local dealer and I am leaning more towards the Champion brand. They have a 'Short Series' which is 2'x2'x2' which they are selling for $500. My budget is that and I am impressed on how they look. I am going to look at Liberty brands also today at Cabellas and Bass Pro. What would you choose? Champion or Liberty? I am definetely getting the dial combination and not the electric lock.

[ttazzman]

previous comments are all good but at the level of safe you are considering cost wise ......you are just slowing a thief down for a period of time........

so if it were me i would buy the best FIRE rating i could get in the safe and make it as difficulult as possible find and remove from the premisis or attack with tools as possible

i doubt ANY new safe you buy in that price range would last over 10min if a thief can either carry it out of the house whole ......or can get a large pry bar to the door of the safe

[chief]

previous comments are all good but at the level of safe you are considering cost wise ......you are just slowing a thief down for a period of time........

so if it were me i would buy the best FIRE rating i could get in the safe and make it as difficulult as possible find and remove from the premisis or attack with tools as possible

i doubt ANY new safe you buy in that price range would last over 10min if a thief can either carry it out of the house whole ......or can get a large pry bar to the door of the safe

Thanks, but at the $500 price range Liberty and Champion make pretty good safes IMO that when bolted to my concrete basement floor would be damn near impossible to pick up (especially if the safe weighs 300 pounds empty).

[Kingfisher]

I don't now the brands involved but these videos were interesting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBhOj...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uI48...eature=related


and might lead to others.

[chief]

Thanks for the vids. Yeah, those look like pretty cheap safes which is why I'm leaning towards Champion or Liberty.

[Kingfisher]

Whatever you consider, do the google for ""X" safe failure" and see if anything comes up.

[wallew]

all any 'name brand' safe does is SLOW a crook down... that's it

and IF there are more than one crook? They will just haul whatever gun safe you have away with them IF THEY WANT. They will knock it around and dent and mar that pretty paint job, but they DON'T CARE about what it looks like when they pop it open. They just want whats inside.

You wonder why these safes can be DELIVERED to your home by one or two guys with a hand dolly? Guess what? FOUR GUYS can take it away without a hand dolly.

If you are attempting to CONCEAL your weapons (not making them hard to steal), consider this one

http://www.hayneedle.com/sale/homakl...FSdgTAod9BYEmQ

and if it's a REAL THIEF, there's not much you can do... anyone can cut into the back or top (the weak points on all safes) that $1000 safe open with a portable plasma cutter that cuts 1/4 steel...

the key is to conceal your hide...

kinda tough with a LARGE gun safe... it screams "steal me - all the good stuff is inside"

if you are worried about a neighborhood punk breaking in, it WILL stop that

but other than that, keep your yap shut and securely HIDE your weapons and you'll be able to give them to your children (assuming the gov doesn't come for them)

[chief]

Alright, there is a lot of common sense info in this thread that is well appreciated, just not what I was looking for. I am wanting to know what brands you recommend with a $500 budget. Like I've stated earlier, I am really looking at the Champion or Liberty model. Went to local dealers today and checked them both out. I liked them both, just looking for opinions. The safe is going to be put in a corner and bolted to the floor.

[Tiger44]

You wonder why these safes can be DELIVERED to your home by one or two guys with a hand dolly? Guess what? FOUR GUYS can take it away without a hand dolly.

Delivering a 700 lb safe is one thing; stealing it after it's loaded (2,000 - 3,000 lbs) ain't so easy.

[wallew]

Alright, there is a lot of common sense info in this thread that is well appreciated, just not what I was looking for. I am wanting to know what brands you recommend with a $500 budget. Like I've stated earlier, I am really looking at the Champion or Liberty model. Went to local dealers today and checked them both out. I liked them both, just looking for opinions. The safe is going to be put in a corner and bolted to the floor.

Unless the corner you are bolting it into IS AT LEAST TWO INCHES OF CONCRETE (say like in a basement), you will STILL have the top to worry about. Again, one of the weak points. You notice NONE of the safe companies EVER show their safe being cut open with a plasma cutter. That's about a $650 tool any competent thief owns. And that's a one or two man crew.


Tiger44 said - Delivering a 700 lb safe is one thing; stealing it after it's loaded (2,000 - 3,000 lbs) ain't so easy.

Not so much. FOUR GUYS with a couple of pry bars and a set of chains can move it in a hurry. And if they know were it is and it's accessible AT ALL to any window or door (pretty much HAS to be when it's delivered), trust me when I tell you that window or door IS THE EXIT. Tie that set of chains around it and just drag it down the street.

No offense guys, but I've seen some REALLY odd ways to break into GUN SHOPS, including driving a vehicle THROUGH A WALL, hook their chains and winch up and DRAG THAT MONSTER SAFE AWAY.

Took out the corner of a building. And when things go south, EXACTLY what do you THINK is going to happen to that great big safe.

BYE- BYE

Stealth hide at least MAKES THEM SEARCH FOR IT. And most crooks aren't the sharpest knife in the drawer. Strong, yes. Smart, not so much.

If you don't think like a thief, your stuff will disappear. (I think there's a DirecTV ad in that line somewhere).

no offense really. but I've seen some seriously damaged shops in the past twenty years or so. Then AFTER they are broken into with a vehicle - THEY PUT UP THE LARGE CONCRETE POSTS. Talk about closing the door AFTER all the horses got out...

[Tiger44]

Unless the corner you are bolting it into IS AT LEAST TWO INCHES OF CONCRETE (say like in a basement), you will STILL have the top to worry about. Again, one of the weak points. You notice NONE of the safe companies EVER show their safe being cut open with a plasma cutter. That's about a $650 tool any competent thief owns. And that's a one or two man crew.

FOUR GUYS with a couple of pry bars and a set of chains can move it in a hurry. And if they know were it is and it's accessible AT ALL to any window or door (pretty much HAS to be when it's delivered), trust me when I tell you that window or door IS THE EXIT. Tie that set of chains around it and just drag it down the street.

No offense guys, but I've seen some REALLY odd ways to break into GUN SHOPS, including driving a vehicle THROUGH A WALL, hook their chains and winch up and DRAG THAT MONSTER SAFE AWAY.

Took out the corner of a building. And when things go south, EXACTLY what do you THINK is going to happen to that great big safe.

BYE- BYE

Some who have a safe don't just have a safe: it's surrounded by many layers. Fences, alarms, cameras, dogs, motion detectors, bullet/bombproof windows, door jamb armor, fortified polycarbonate and ballistic steel building materials, people inside with 12 gauge shotguns, etc. FOUR GUYS with pry bars trying to hit them? They'd have had a better chance busting in and out of East Berlin in 1962.

[Bx3]

Chief, you cannot go wrong having any kind of safe. Even a cheap one is better than nothing. Obviously the higher quality models will provide higher levels of security and you will pay more for that security. Many folks here have given worst case scenarios which while possible are not likely. The two manufactures you mentioned are top tier. The models you are looking at are on the lower end of their product lines so again, you will get the protection that you pay for. Most thiefs want easy in, easy out. Anything you can do to slow up their work will help. Successful Home Security should always be thought of in layers. A safe is just one part of that layered system. The most secured, bomb proof safe is worthless when someone is pointing a gun to one of your loved ones head while asking that you open your safe for them. You will open it....trust me on that. The key is to harden the entry points to your home to keep them out in the first place. If you want true security from theft or fire, burry it (AG buried in mil ammo can is the shyt). In short, get the most safe that you can afford. Bolt it down if possible whether you have a slab or a crawl space underneath it. Put it in a closet if possible to avoid prying eyes (or see link below). Keep your mouth shut about having a safe or anything worth putting in a safe. The odds that your safe will ever be tested are remote. That being said, lightning has struck me on several occasions so don't be naive either. Below are a couple of links to help you think about things. Good luck. Bx3

PS The corner is good for load distro. Those things can get heavy if your not on a slab!

http://www.patriothope.com/
Gun safe cover for discretion. Expensive but you might find a local under employed carpenter (that you absolutely trust) who could make you one.

http://www.gunvault.com/
What I would and do keep my pistol in the night stand. Very quick to access and will keep the kidos from playing with. I bolted mine to my nightstand so they will have to take the whole thing if they want.

http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/b...px?c=167&s=199
A little food saver action and your stash will be gtg for decades. Don't laugh, the pirates did it.

[wallew]

Some who have a safe don't just have a safe: it's surrounded by many layers. Fences, alarms, cameras, dogs, motion detectors, bullet/bombproof windows, door jamb armor, fortified polycarbonate and ballistic steel building materials, people inside with 12 gauge shotguns, etc. FOUR GUYS with pry bars trying to hit them? They'd have had a better chance busting in and out of East Berlin in 1962.

Tiger44,
Your IGNORANCE is showing.

There's NO SUCH THING as 'bullet proof/bomb proof windows. THEY DO NOT EXIST. You's succumbed to Hollyweird.

You've built a HOUSE OUT OF BALLISTIC STEEL? Wow, what did that cost. HOW BIG IS IT? I've NEVER seen a HOUSE made out of BALLISTIC STEEL. Given the COST of 1/2 - 1 inch steel, only large banks and fed.gov can make ANY room out of ballistic steel. And dogs. while a great ALARM get disturbingly QUIET with one round from a .22

You let me run a deuce and a half RIGHT THROUGH your 'compound' of tough guys with 12 gauge shotguns and then unload a mounted fifty and then burn it to the ground. And you won't live to see the dawn.

Sheesh, you watch WAY too much TV. 'Armored' door jambs? What a joke. Any security person or military person who's served 'in the sand' will tell you there's no such thing as 'SECURE' when the bad guys want to get to you, they can. Especially when they are willing to 'die trying' - like when they haven't eaten for a week an you are sitting on a pile of food.

How will you handle about two dozen molotov cocktails pitched into your secure compound. Got enough water to put our a dozen fires at once? How about a forest fire intentionally set. You PREPARED TO FIGHT THAT? Oh yeah, you gotta GET OUT of said compound to fight that forest fire.

Please stop being a movie tough guy.. You ever seen what happens to an uparmored HMMWV when it's hit with a few pounds of low grade explosives?

Keep talking ignorant trash. IF someone WANTS YOUR STUFF, there's very little you can do about it.

Are you and ALL your group home 24/7? Can you handle a hunger crazed crowd who KNOWS you've got food or water or...?

Like some folks say, three G's.

Stealth, not bravado will get you through. Look like you got nothing of value and not worth their time, maybe you might get by.

BUT in tough times? The 'tough guy' attitude will get YOU and your group D E A D very quickly.

Grow up. Learn that beating your chest and DARING PEOPLE to come and get it WILL CAUSE THEM TO COME AND GET IT.

and read the bottom of my sig line

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BX3, never been through a HURRICANE I guess. I've been through THREE.

How about a multiday blizzard. Been there, done that numerous times. Sand storms? Roger that. Hail and rain that turns into floods (without being a hurricane)? Check. Tornadoes? Too many to count.

You ever see OAKLAND, CA after their major fire that displaced over 300 familys? I did. Nothing left but scorched earth. How about an earthquake? Boy am I glad we had JUST MOVED AWAY from Cali when that one hit. But we moved back three years later and they were STILL CLEANING UP THE MESS OF THE COLLAPSED FREEWAYS.

COME ON FOLKS. EVERYTHING I JUST MENTIONED TO BX3 WAS MOTHER NATURE.

I didn't even go into religious fanatics.

[Bx3]

BX3, never been through a HURRICANE I guess. I've been through THREE.

How about a multiday blizzard. Been there, done that numerous times. Sand storms? Roger that. Hail and rain that turns into floods (without being a hurricane)? Check. Tornadoes? Too many to count.

You ever see OAKLAND, CA after their major fire that displaced over 300 familys? I did. Nothing left but scorched earth. How about an earthquake? Boy am I glad we had JUST MOVED AWAY from Cali when that one hit. But we moved back three years later and they were STILL CLEANING UP THE MESS OF THE COLLAPSED FREEWAYS.

COME ON FOLKS. EVERYTHING I JUST MENTIONED TO BX3 WAS MOTHER NATURE.

I didn't even go into religious fanatics.

Actually have been through them all. Not really sure what your point is though. Bx3

[Tiger44]

Tiger44,
Your IGNORANCE is showing.

There's NO SUCH THING as 'bullet proof/bomb proof windows. THEY DO NOT EXIST. You's succumbed to Hollyweird.

You've built a HOUSE OUT OF BALLISTIC STEEL? Wow, what did that cost. HOW BIG IS IT? I've NEVER seen a HOUSE made out of BALLISTIC STEEL. Given the COST of 1/2 - 1 inch steel, only large banks and fed.gov can make ANY room out of ballistic steel. And dogs. while a great ALARM get disturbingly QUIET with one round from a .22

You let me run a deuce and a half RIGHT THROUGH your 'compound' of tough guys with 12 gauge shotguns and then unload a mounted fifty and then burn it to the ground. And you won't live to see the dawn.

Sheesh, you watch WAY too much TV. 'Armored' door jambs? What a joke. Any security person or military person who's served 'in the sand' will tell you there's no such thing as 'SECURE' when the bad guys want to get to you, they can. Especially when they are willing to 'die trying' - like when they haven't eaten for a week an you are sitting on a pile of food.

How will you handle about two dozen molotov cocktails pitched into your secure compound. Got enough water to put our a dozen fires at once? How about a forest fire intentionally set. You PREPARED TO FIGHT THAT? Oh yeah, you gotta GET OUT of said compound to fight that forest fire.

Please stop being a movie tough guy.. You ever seen what happens to an uparmored HMMWV when it's hit with a few pounds of low grade explosives?

Keep talking ignorant trash. IF someone WANTS YOUR STUFF, there's very little you can do about it.

Are you and ALL your group home 24/7? Can you handle a hunger crazed crowd who KNOWS you've got food or water or...?

Like some folks say, three G's.

Stealth, not bravado will get you through. Look like you got nothing of value and not worth their time, maybe you might get by.

BUT in tough times? The 'tough guy' attitude will get YOU and your group D E A D very quickly.

Grow up. Learn that beating your chest and DARING PEOPLE to come and get it WILL CAUSE THEM TO COME AND GET IT.

Hey, clown. Your IGNORANCE is showing. I guess everyone should just uninstall their security measures because YOU say they won't work. And good luck getting your hands on (and driving around with) a deuce and a half with a mounted fifty. The only movie tough guy on here is YOU.

http://www.forbes.com/2007/03/28/sec...curehomes.html

[LukeNM]

2nd the gun show idea! Friend bought his safe from a gun show dealer, delivered and lagged bolted to cement floor. He even threw in a dehumidifier.

[Foghorn]

Thanks, but at the $500 price range Liberty and Champion make pretty good safes IMO that when bolted to my concrete basement floor would be damn near impossible to pick up (especially if the safe weighs 300 pounds empty).

I really don't have an opinion on the better safe to buy which is what you are asking.

I just came here to say, by all means, anchor it to your basement floor(and to the wall if at all possible) but please do not fool yourself into believing it is near impossible to pick up.

I have been in the business of moving very heavy objects for quite some time now. On occasion we will be called upon to move something small like a safe or an ATM machine. I promise you that one other person and I can have your anchored 300 lb safe in the back of my truck in about 20 minutes if we are left alone and we don't care about hurting your safe or your cement floor. It will take slightly longer if the weight gets up around a thousand pounds and we have to take it up the stairs. A walk out basement makes it easy.

JMO YMMV
Doug

[wallew]

Hey, clown. Your IGNORANCE is showing. I guess everyone should just uninstall their security measures because YOU say they won't work. And good luck getting your hands on (and driving around with) a deuce and a half with a mounted fifty. The only movie tough guy on here is YOU.

I COLLECT military vehicles. I KNOW several guys with deuce's that have the fifty cal gun ring installed (you gotta have a hard top to do that). Two of them OWN fifty cal's that are not class 3. But a fifty is a fifty. And they mount plastic ones up for parades and shows. Or go over to IRAC and get some that fire propane and oxy that sound like they are real, but aren't. My buddy Stacey did that.

But they will mount the real ones when the SHTF. You got yours ready to go? Also I know way MORE GUYS that mount them on WWII jeeps (M38's, GPW, etc) and THEY ARE REAL. Semi auto, cause no on wants to go through the Class III hassle.

Did you watch the American Guns episode where a guy let them fire a LAW and his WWII jeep mounted 105mm recoilless rifle on it? THAT GUY is a friend of mine. He did say that Rich Wyatt DID NOT pay him for any of his equipment even though that's what was portrayed on TV. And he's not in the movies, he's just an MV collector like me that has a 105 recoilless rifle mounted and IT WORKS. I also know several folks who own armor. From a Ferret, to a Stuart, to a Sherman to a Saladin to a Centuriion. Everybody loves armor. Here's a pix of me working on a Sherman a friend of mine owns. We were prepping it for a show.




This one is of Col. Sherman ON that Sherman tank. I wrote an article about him for our Newsletter. And he took a few pix with his whole family on the Sherman for an Xmas card. You know what Col Sherman's job was when that pix was taken? Commander of the 5th Armored Brigade out of Ft Carson, but it was reassigned to Ft Bliss down in El Paso at the end of 2007. I think he got promoted and moved to another assignment last I heard.



GO to PAGE FIVE of this photo album for the Cripple Creek event we attended during 2007 and you will see a BUNDLE of photos of Col Sherman on that Sherman.

http://www.mvcconline.org/catagory2/images/photozig/Album17/photopage.html

How about you post up YOUR PICTURES of you working on armor or the MV's YOU collect? OR the MV club you belong to?

I've worked for a Class X manufacturer who does HAVE several full auto fifties in his safe. AND IT AIN'T any of the safes YOU would own. EVER.

I turned down a job Raytheon offered for way less money than we discussed to be an armorer for the 10th Special Forces group. A buddy I shared a bench with spent several years AS an armor for the 3rd Special Forces group and then the 5th. He just changed jobs recently because he got married and he's getting older. He's almost my age when I got my degree as a gunsmith fourteen years ago.

And you will excuse me, but the OP asked about SPENDING MONEY ON A SAFE. Not he HAD one.

I can't help it if you want to feel safe and secure with your $1000 safe. That any four guys can steal. But why would they do that during SHTF? They will just wipe your merry little band out and move in and take their time using YOUR tools to open it.

And we ain't even discussed what coming down the pike with the UN about to put up the ATT and OBAMA will sign it, with or without approval. Then ask the UN for help to do what? Confiscate our weapons.

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BX3,
My whole point was none of the safes that have been discussed will do ANY GOOD in most of mother natures wrath. Even bolted down, most safes have been ripped away during a tornado. Or in the Oakland fire, there were TWO safes still standing. You know what was INSIDE? ASHES and some SLAG that used to be guns.

Please, please please don't buy into the SALES HYPE that the gun safe people put up. They are SALESMEN (worse than a USED CAR SALESMAN). You won't EVER see any of them cut into one of their safes with a plasma cutter. Does 'hot knife through butter' mean anything to any of you?

All those safes will do is keep little Johnny and his punk friends out for a while. You ever been broken into? I have. Before we got dogs. Now we have several large dogs and I'm retired and don't generally leave my little slice of heaven.

But four or five Hell's Angels or another MC crew? PHTT. Your safe and everything in it IS G O N E. And they will open it at their leisure.

Pro's only go after big stuff. So you don't have a ton of stuff WHY IN GODS NAME are you spending $500 - $1000 OR MORE for a glorified 'fire safe'?

I guess to make yourselves feel better because some salesman said so. Nothing I can do about that. This is STRICTLY an impulse purchase, because if you did your research, like I have you won't waste your money or your time.

And if you don't think some of the gun shops WHO HAVE HAD their business/building basically DESTROYED by crooks who know what they are doing? Again, can't help you with that one.

Take that money and buy MORE AMMO, MORE FOOD, ANOTHER WEAPON OR TWO.

That link I originally posted will keep your weapons AS SAFE as any OTHER $1000+ safe any of you own. And it was $140. Well hidden your weapons are as safe as any LARGE SAFE.

I know a guy who has eight of them. He's getting ready to expand his basement and put in an actual vault door. HE KNOWS what happens when bad guys come for your stuff. His next door neighbor got hit and he considered himself lucky that they didn't go into his place. He's got dogs and his wife is home full time watching one of their parents 24/7 and she's a great shot as well. BUT she's one person.

Go read what happens in Argentina during home invasions.

HEY, what happened to that family here in the USA when four or five guys did invade their home and the family couldn't defend themselves? I believe the guys wife and daughter were killed by being set on fire.

Folks, we are IN BAD TIMES NOW. And once thing REALLY GO SOUTH?

You can't eat or shoot your safe. So, still feel 'SAFE' with that safe now?

Please. The only reason your guns are safe is because you have NOT been through a home invasion or worse (think what the .GOV forces did during Katrina - again that was just mother natures aftermath).

WISE UP. WAKE UP. Or just keep mouthing the same tired cliches that were told to you BY THAT SALESMAN.

I sometimes wonder why I even bother. You guys have so much more experience in all this. You have a gunsmithing degree, right? You attended gunshows for seven years SELLING guns, right? You've worked at several gun shops, right? You've seen what happens when someone drives a truck through a wall to get at that large gun safe in the back, haven't you?

Nah, but you just keep blabbering on what that salesman told you. Why do you think that they paint them so nicely? TO MAKE THEIR CUSTOMERS FEEL SAFE. That paint job is worth ZERO at securing your guns. Yet they all do it. To hide how poorly their safes are made. But hey, it looks purty. so yeah. DROP A GRAND. OR MORE. Cause you've obviously got it to waste. OR DID BEFORE YOU BOUGHT THAT SAFE.

[voodoo1951]

Wallew...Glad ya' got thar one off your chest...Don't get me wrong, I do agree w/ alot of your post but simmer down now or I'll have to take a Valium...

[Bx3]

Wallew, all your points are valid. They are also almost all worst case scenarios. While worst case does happen (I actually have been on the receiving end of an armed home invasion), there are many shades of threats from 0 to 100.

Not all burgleries are committed by MC's, not all are armed home invasions. Will a safe protect your stuff from pros with a torch and a duece...nope. I already mentioned having a gun put to yours or a loved ones head...btw it's not fun. "Little Johny and his punk friends" do however make up a very large segment of the poulation that one should be concerned with. A standard safe will protect your valuables from that element.

Not all tornadoes rip everything from the foundation. When I lived in the South I had tornado damage to my structure and trees ripped out in my yard. My safe and the contents was fine. A good friend of mine had his foundation swept clean. A safe would not have helped him.

Not all fires burn everything down to mineral soil. I spent three years as a wildland firefighter and I saw first hand what fires do to homes. From total destruction to partially damaged. Will a safe protect your stuff from a fully consumed home in the middle of a firestorm...nope. A properly rated safe will protect your stuff from an average structure fire especially when there is the reasonable expectation that the fire dept will show up.

Again, all your points are valid and they don't differ too much from my original post. I don't keep any PM's in my safe and I don't keep all of my firearms in my safe either. I am all for concealed/hidden safes. I would prefer to have a false wall or an underground basement/bunker that could be discrete but we don't all have the option for that. In the end, we probably agree more than we disagree......that being said, just an observation.... no need to let your emotions get the better of you.....it detracts from your valid points. Bx3

[wallew]

http://www.goldismoney2.com/showthre...Safe-are-Safes

Take a look at post #13 by TnAndy

He even has pix...

You folks DO NOT GET IT.

A safe is for someone who THINKS that what they were told IS TRUE.

IT'S NOT.

Like Tn Andy says, 15 minutes with a grinder and a heavy hammer and the contents to your safe belong to someone else. GET IT?

BX3

No offense but have THAT conversation with folks in 'The Springs' south of Denver. OR the ones who live NORTH of Denver where it was ALMOST as bad.

We are in terrible times. It's getting ready to get worse for sure. And TOO MANY PEOPLE put their faith in what they are told by a SALESMAN.

Geez, GLENN BECK ADVERTISES FOR LIBERTY SAFE. If that doesn't tell you EVERYTHING you need to know about a Liberty safe and most of the rest of them? I just can't help ya.

[chief]

MODS, PLEASE LOCK THIS USELESS THREAD

Well, thanks wallew for turning this thread into a bitching contest. All I wanted was some simple information on what safe to choose. You contributed nothing I was asking for. Obviously I will do the research on my own.


Bx3, thank you very much for the information you have provided.

[Bx3]

Wallew, again your points are valid. You are dealing with absolutes in your expectations of a safe though. One could make the same argument with anything, car safety, gun/caliber capabilities, whether or not body armor will stop every bullet....insert the argument. The only absolute in life is death, everything else is shades from one extreme to the other. Just because a given safe will not stand up to a torch, a tornado or an inferno does not invalidate having one. Again, nothing in life is absolute. As for the picture in TNAndy's post, it doesn't really tell me anything about its security rating or overall capability. It appears to be old with the legs and exterior hinges. Modern technology has come a long way. I'm sure there isn't a safe that can't be breached in some way, shape or form but who cares. Even if it handles half the threats out there (I'm being generous) that still makes it viable in my book. To each his own and we will just have to disagree on this topic. Good discussion though.
Bx3

[Sport]

We can try to pull this thread back to topic. I use a couple of different boxes for some of my handguns. I have a key locked box for my concealed carry rig when I get in the house. I have a three year old and lock up that one in the top of a closet. I also have a couple of the electronic finger button boxes in the house. I like those one as the doors are spring loaded and they are quick to open. For papers I use a cheap fire rated safe for not so important papers and a safe deposit for more important stuff.

[ttazzman]

MODS, PLEASE LOCK THIS USELESS THREAD

Well, thanks wallew for turning this thread into a bitching contest. All I wanted was some simple information on what safe to choose. You contributed nothing I was asking for. Obviously I will do the research on my own.


Bx3, thank you very much for the information you have provided.

you do realize you have the power to delete etc your own thread?