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    Default Asian Millionaires Firing Banks Take Charge of Own Wealth

    Clinton Ang, the grandson of a gunny- sack seller who emigrated last century from China to Singapore, oversees a fortune valued at almost $80 million for himself and three siblings.

    That makes him a target for wealth managers in Singapore, the private-banking capital of Asia. Yet the 39-year-old managing director of Hock Tong Bee Pte, which evolved from his grandfather’s sacks and foodstuff supplier into a purveyor of $6,000 Grand Cru wines, has already fired two bankers and prefers mostly to manage the money himself.

    “I am very open to private banks for their propositions, but I want them to be relevant,” said Ang, who’s cut the amount of his family’s money managed by professionals to less than 5 percent from 25 percent three years ago. “We felt we could do better ourselves.”

    Disillusionment with investment products and returns has made Asian millionaires such as Ang take greater control of their wealth than rich Europeans. Managers at Credit Suisse Group AG (CSGN), Citigroup Inc. and other banks in Asia have full discretion over clients’ portfolios for just 4 percent of assets under management, according to a June report from Boston Consulting Group. That’s down from 7 percent in 2006. In Europe, it’s 23 percent, rising from 18 percent six years ago.

    “Asia’s wealthy lost a lot of trust in their private banks and private bankers during the 2008 financial crisis,” said Peter Damisch, a Zurich-based BCG partner and managing director who co-authored the report.

    Less Profitable
    For the top wealth-management firms that have made big bets on expanding in Asia, the move by millionaires to control their own assets is translating to lower profits even as the pool managed by professionals continues to grow.

    HSBC Holdings Plc, whose private bank had 25 percent more assets in Asia-Pacific region in 2011 than four years earlier, earned less last year than in 2007, according to its annual reports. Net operating income for the private bank’s local operations in 2007 was $748 million on $26.7 billion in assets. In 2011, the same measure fell to $712 million even as assets managed rose to $33.5 billion.

    That means, excluding expenses, the private bank earned $2.10 for every $100 of assets it managed in the Asia-Pacific region last year, a 25 percent decline from 2007. That year was historic for market performance and turnover, said Gareth Hewett, an HSBC spokesman in Hong Kong, adding that he didn’t know whether Asia’s shift away from private banking was to blame for lower earnings.

    Cultural Differences
    “The culture of Asia is such that clients are far more hands-on,” said Akbar Shah, head of Southeast Asia and Australia for Citigroup’s private-banking unit who cites the region’s accumulation of wealth as a reason behind the desire for control.

    “Many of them have made a lot of money in the real estate markets in Asia, and these are hands-on markets,” Shah said. “Nobody can tell you -- you need a feel for it.”

    Asian millionaires, a large proportion of whom have made their fortunes rather than inherited wealth, demand high returns, according to Enrico Mattoli, who heads investment products and services for the richest clients of UBS (UBSN) AG’s Asia- Pacific wealth-management unit.

    Affluent Asians have an “aggressive” growth target of an annual nominal rate of 12 percent for the next 10 years, Standard Chartered Plc and Scorpio Partnership said in a report in March after surveying more than 2,700 high-net-worth Asians in nine markets including China, India, Singapore and Hong Kong. The report didn’t provide a comparative number for Europeans.

    High Returns
    In the run-up to the global financial crisis of 2008, private bankers sold Asian clients products that earned high fees and commissions, such as derivatives with returns that soared when stock prices rose and plunged lower than the market when prices fell, said Liew Nam Soon, a Singapore-based partner at Ernst & Young LLP.

    Historic annual returns to global clients at Citigroup (C)’s private bank have averaged about 8 percent to 12 percent since the mid-1980s after adjusting for inflation, Shah said. The New York-based bank and rivals UBS and Credit Suisse, both based in Zurich, don’t report private-banking revenue by geography. The three, along with HSBC, are the top four private banks in the region by assets managed, according to Private Banker International, a publication which tracks the industry.

    Slumping Profits
    Deutsche Bank AG, Germany’s biggest lender and among the top 10 private bankers in Asia, reported yesterday that pretax profit at its asset and wealth management division slumped 85 percent to 35 million euros ($43 million) in the second quarter. UBS’s earnings from wealth management outside the Americas fell 25 percent from a year earlier to 502 million Swiss francs ($515 million) in the second quarter as lower client activity hurt the bank’s margins, it said yesterday.

    UBS reported that assets managed in the Asia-Pacific region since the end of 2008 grew 27 percent to 165 billion francs last year. Mattoli declined to answer questions about the impact of Asian millionaires pulling back their wealth on operations, revenue or profitability.

    Asians’ portfolios are “heavily skewed” toward Asian markets where gains have outpaced the rest of the world, according to a February note from Shayne Nelson, chief executive officer of Standard Chartered’s private bank. In the 10 years through the end of June, the BSE India Sensitive Index (SENSEX) had average annual gains of 20 percent, compared with 26 percent for the Jakarta Composite Index. (JCI) The MSCI World Index (MXWO) climbed less than 6 percent annually in the same period.

    Negotiating Fees
    Banks’ profitability has declined partly because wealthy Asian clients negotiate lower fees to managers. Private bankers are under pressure to reduce them because they only provide advice to multiple customers, rather than bearing sole responsibility for the clients’ portfolios, said Charles Bok, CEO of the Singapore unit of Reyl & Cie SA, a Swiss wealth manager with 5.5 billion francs under management.

    Profitability has also fallen due to a drop in commissions on equity and bond trading, which have shrunk amid the global rout in capital markets.

    “At the moment, people are not very active in the markets and because of that, trading revenues are down,” said Boston Consulting Group’s Damisch.

    His firm estimates that return on assets for private banks in Asia was 65 basis points last year compared with 73 basis points for European institutions. A basis point is 0.01 percentage point.

    Interest Disparity
    “There is a disparity between banks’ income requirements and clients’ interest,” said Easaw Thomas, another Asian millionaire who manages most of his own wealth and declined to disclose the value of his portfolio.

    Thomas, an anesthesiologist who made most of his money in real estate without the help of advisers, drives a S$700,000 ($562,000) Porsche 911 Turbo, owns a wine collection that boasts rare Burgundies, and lives in a 1939 Art Deco house in one of Singapore’s most-expensive neighborhoods off Bukit Timah Road.

    “My general impression, after many rounds of disappointing performance, is that private bankers cannot be your lifeline,” said the 67-year-old Indian-origin Singaporean, who has used private banks since the 1980s.

    Thomas, the son of a priest in the Mar Thoma Syrian Church of Malabar who immigrated to Singapore when Thomas was a child, said he “grew up with little money in the house.” After making a fortune buying and selling property, he now keeps less than 10 percent of his money with wealth managers, he said, and doesn’t give bankers full discretion.

    ‘Like Secretaries’
    “They are essentially like secretaries who help facilitate a trade that you may want to make,” Thomas said. “I want complete control.”

    His house, surrounded by trees from his native Kerala in landscaping that won him an award from Singapore’s National Parks Board, was purchased for S$2.45 million in 1990 and is currently valued at about S$35 million, Thomas said. He bought his first house in 1976 for S$115,000 and sold it four years later for four times the cost.

    High-net-worth individuals in Asia had the largest portion of their investable assets tied to property, at 31 percent, according to a March report from Citigroup’s private bank and Knight Frank LLP. In Europe and Russia, the proportion was 16 percent.

    Property Affinity
    Ang, the wine trader by day, also made his first $1 million from property. When he was studying at Arizona State University in the early 1990s, he purchased 50 apartments of about 950 square feet each at $17,500 a unit in the U.S. with money borrowed from his father. He sold the units for $90,000 apiece in 2000, he said.

    In 2009-2010, when the MSCI Asia-Pacific Index (MXAPJ) excluding Japan gained 94 percent, Ang said private banks earned him 20 percent. Investments he made for his family’s wealth yielded 200 percent, he said. An investment in a life-insurance policy in 2008 bought him $10 million of coverage. A comparable policy purchased today would provide $7 million, he said.

    “I bought it before any private banker could tell me,” he said, adding that these days every private banker extols the product to him “five times over.”

    Young Millionaires
    Like Ang, most Asian millionaires are younger than their European counterparts and in the wealth-generating stages of their life, said Simon Grose-Hodge, head of investment advisory in South Asia at Vaduz-based LGT Group, Liechtenstein’s largest bank.

    More than 40 percent of Asian millionaires are 45 or younger, according to a report from Capgemini SA and Bank of America Corp.’s Merrill Lynch unit last year. In Europe, less than 20 percent of the millionaires belonged to that age group.

    Standard Chartered said in the February note that 63 percent of private banking clients are business owners, “mostly first- or second-generation,” and that the proportion was greater than in Europe.

    Asian millionaires who run their own business tend to plow back most of their gains into expansion and seek higher returns from reinvesting, Grose-Hodge said. An Asian entrepreneur typically has 60 percent of his net worth in his business, said Citigroup’s Shah. European millionaires primarily have inherited wealth, said Dominique Joye, CEO of the Singapore unit of LGT.

    Shorter Period
    Asia-Pacific millionaires outnumbered those in North America for the first time last year, according to a June report by Capgemini and RBC Wealth Management. The number of people with at least $1 million in investable assets in the region climbed 1.6 percent in 2011 to 3.37 million, while high-net- worth individuals in North America dropped by 1.1 percent to 3.35 million, they said.

    Asia’s new millionaires also have a shorter time frame for gauging returns generated by their bankers than wealthy European families, which have watched their net worth rise and fall over generations, Citigroup’s Shah said.

    “In Europe, the tradition has been to give the private banker discretion,” he said. “The longer you give a portfolio, the better the returns.”

    Ang said he asks bankers whether they themselves have invested in the products they recommend.

    “They need to be joint stakeholders,” he said. “Otherwise it’ll be like selling me a vitamin that you don’t take yourself.”

    To contact the reporter on this story: Sanat Vallikappen in Singapore at vallikappen@bloomberg.net

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    Default Re: Asian Millionaires Firing Banks Take Charge of Own Wealth

    Nice to see some folks are wising up.
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    Default Re: Asian Millionaires Firing Banks Take Charge of Own Wealth

    QWAK,No one likes geting SNOOKERED scamed and riped off --- the BANKERS got too GREEDY and OBVIOUS and the Asians noticed and in there special way simply told the banker "No thanks -- we can do it better cheeper OURSELVES!"

    The greedy bankers as usual were not sadisfied and cut there own throats!

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    I never participated in a 410k because of 1 simple reason. No one cares more about my money than I do. No one. I see so many people blindly putting money into 401k's or other investment vehicles and just shake my head. We truly are a nation of sheep. Even my brother who is fairly well off used to use money managers. Then he looked at a statement where he had asked them to put money into something a mutual fund I think it was. If you put 100k in there there was no load or commission. The guy put in 99,500 and of course the load kicked in.. Thats what he got for having someone else manage his money. If you have money everyone wants to screw you as much as they can. Everyone wants a cut and the hidden fees are endless. fork em all and may they all jump from high buildings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cigarlover View Post
    I never participated in a 410k because of 1 simple reason. No one cares more about my money than I do. No one. I see so many people blindly putting money into 401k's or other investment vehicles and just shake my head. We truly are a nation of sheep. Even my brother who is fairly well off used to use money managers. Then he looked at a statement where he had asked them to put money into something a mutual fund I think it was. If you put 100k in there there was no load or commission. The guy put in 99,500 and of course the load kicked in.. Thats what he got for having someone else manage his money. If you have money everyone wants to screw you as much as they can. Everyone wants a cut and the hidden fees are endless. fork em all and may they all jump from high buildings.
    We should be allowed to push them.

    Probably have to take a number or have a lottery though to make it fair.
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    Default Re: Asian Millionaires Firing Banks Take Charge of Own Wealth

    QWAK,HUMmmmmmmmm Granted the BANKERS should be punished BUT is killing them the BEST use for them as in SERVING the rest of HUMANITY who they tried to made DEBT SLAVES of?

    Can only kill them ONCE and perhaps there is some BETTER purpose the many MANY Bankers who were IN on the SCAM/HOAX should be held accountable for and punished!

    Also,ware do we draw the lines of ACCOUNTABILITY?? There are SOoooooooooo many?

    Firing them is a no brainer How to punish them is a lot more complicated out side the cartoon reality of pushing them off tall buildings! BEEP beep!

    Take away all there toys and THEN WHAT???

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    People SELDOM look for TRUTH! What they look for is CONFERMATION that what they have chosen to believe IS TRUTH! This is why people will believe almost ANY THING and also WHY the WORLD is SO MESSED UP!

    IT is never realy OVER -- things just CHANGE!

    You can QUOTE me on ALL! It IS what I believe to be TRUE!

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