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    The mason's son.

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    Maybe the phone call and meeting happened the way she says or maybe she is enhancing it a bit to get attention about her new show. I don't know. I do know that it wouldn't be the first time something was sensationalized just to promote a new show.

    It's all hearsay since she didn't have audio of the phone call or the subsequent meeting. It's the word of one person.

    As for Luke following Rand Paul outside repeatedly asking for comment about a question Rand obviously wasn't going to answer, who is harassing who?

    There are many people who are very upset with Rand because he endorsed Mitt Romney. We all know that. What we don't know is the private motivations of Rand Paul. Until he stops voting the way he has been voting, Rand has my support. Until he stops speaking out on the floor of the Senate against ominous bills, Rand has my support.

    Show me in his voting record where he has betrayed his Tea Party principles. His votes are what are important to me.

    Okay, that's my two cents on the subject. I'll step off the soapbox now.
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    [QUOTE=Oz Waver;407369]The mason's son.

    I'm a Mason's son. My dad was the most honest, kind, and peaceful and hardworking family man anyone could meet. He never told me squat about the Masons. I know there are circles of knowledge within circles but that's about it. I've heard all the bad talk about masons but never experienced any of it. My feelings are mixed or neutral because I really don't know squat.

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    It's seems unlikely that she is making this up, she congruent throughout. Her words and non-verbals add up. Also her credibility if untrue would pose a great risk to her job/livelihood so it's either a paid performance (possible) or it's real.

    Next up, masons aren't all bad people. But they are in a system which is a part of the hierarchy of control. So the defence of "not all masons are bad" doesn't stack up. To make it to the upper echelons in any industry you've got to have "made a deal with the devil".

    You might not like to hear it but your Dad did make a blood oath to the Devil in his initiation. He's not allowed to talk about it because each of us has to make the choice of their own volition. It's really false advertising. You are meant to conduct yourself honourably as a mason too. Minions give off the impression of the club to help one another rather than the hierarchy pushing the bigger agenda. It's a giant jigsaw, the sum of the parts make the whole.

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    Oz,
    I go along with most of what you post but telling me my dad sold his sold to the devil is over the line. That didn't happen. Here, I draw a line and call you full of shlt. My dad put his family first, above All else. If all men followed his example, this world wouldn't be so fkd up.

    Painting with too broad a brush is many folk's biggest fault.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jogslvr View Post
    Oz,
    I go along with most of what you post but telling me my dad sold his sold to the devil is over the line. That didn't happen. Here, I draw a line and call you full of shlt. My dad put his family first, above All else. If all men followed his example, this world wouldn't be so fkd up.

    Painting with too broad a brush is many folk's biggest fault.
    I realise this has hit a nerve. I am truly sorry for that.

    I am sure that your Dad love you and your family very very much.

    It does not mean I am "full of ****", I am very sincere, even to the point of being accused and beyond.

    Here's a link for a simple google search on "masonic initiation": (the blood oath is very real)
    http://www.google.com/search?q=mason...utf-8&oe=utf-8

    Personally I have also been asked to become a freemason and invited to attend their dinner. I have spoken with the "Grandmaster" and many masons. Even had some confide in me. I have a little knowledge of their rituals and have been into their lodges etc. Also been researching and travelling since I was in my teens.

    I realise this may not be what you want to hear but it's the truth. Even the apron is an afront to the God of the bible.

    Gen 3:7 And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they [were] naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.

    Christians will instinctively know that Freemasonry is evil and here's a very light article explaining why.

    Please believe me. I have little reason to go to these length just to attempt to offend someone over the internet and realise that you are calling me "full of ****" out of love for your Dad and it saddens me to write this post but I can assure you this is what I know.

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    Why a Christian cannot be a Mason - A simple answer

    Ed Decker

    Every step of Masonry has its ritual initatation, the mildest, of course being at the Blue Lodge level. Even this is bizzare, to say the least. In order to join the Lodge, each Mason must first be initiated through an initiation ceremony. This initiation ceremony in which over six million men have participated, is similar throughout the world.

    The typical ceremony begins with the initiate being first divested of his jacket and his tie and any money or metal articles he has. His left trouser leg is then rolled up over the knee, his shirt is opened to expose his left breast and his right shoe is removed and replaced by a slipper.

    Then the person who is to be initiated will have a blindfold put on him and then a noose will be put around his neck. This is called a “Cable Tow” The blindfolded initiate (They call this being “hoodwinked”) is brought, with the noose around his neck, to the outer door of the Lodge.

    The candidate, thus attired, is said to be in darkness, an allegory of Masonry that signifies that everyone outside of Masonry is in darkness and only Masons have the true light of the world. Only they have the true knowledge that will bring light to the world.

    And so, the new Mason is brought to the outer door, seeking the light of the lodge, and there the Doorkeeper, or Tiler, will put a sword or a sharp point to his breast and lead him into the lodge room where an altar sits in its center.

    The lodge members await the candidate in the darkness that surrounds the altar, which is lit from a single light above. Behind the altar stands a man called “The Worshipful Master.” He is the master of the lodge and presides over the initiation.

    When the initiate is brought before him, he bows before “The Worshipful Master” and he says something like this, “I am lost in darkness,and I need the light of Freemasonry, I am seeking the light of Freemasonry.” He is then told he is entering into a secret organization and that he must keep the secrets he is going to be taught.

    At this time, he is required to take a blood initiation oath; every Mason who joins the Lodge takes his thumb or his hand to his throat and he then repeats an oath that has been repeated by every Mason who has joined the Lodge.

    In the Entered Apprentice or first level of the Blue Lodge, it includes the following words: “Binding myself under no less a penalty than having my throat cut across, my tongue torn out by its roots, and buried in the rough sands of the sea..”

    When the new Mason goes into the second, or the Fellowcraft Degree of Masonry, the oath includes the following words: “Binding myself under no less a penalty than that of having my left breast torn open, my heart plucked out and given as prey to the wild beasts of the fields and the fowls of the air...” Then in the third degree, or the Master Mason’s Degree, every Mason must swear an oath including the following: “Binding myself under no less a penalty than that of having my body severed in twain, my bowels taken from thence, and burned in ashes...”

    Masons state that there is nothing wrong in being a Christian and also being a Mason. And, when they are exposed to some of the anti-Christian secrets of Masonry, they say, “Well..those are in the high degrees. We don’t know about those things. I’m just in The Blue Lodge.” We are sorry, but that is just not true.

    The Blue Lodge Mason who also claims to be a follower of Jesus Christ,has to ask himself some basic questions. First of all, “How can I put a blindfold on, come before a man I call The Worshipful Master”, say I am lost in darkness and need the light of Freemasonry?”

    The Bible brings us a very different message about light and darkness, one that brings with it the hope of joy: And these things write we unto you, that your joy may be full.

    This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:

    But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.(1 John 1:4 - 7)

    How can a Christian Mason say he is lost in darkness and seeks to join the Lodge, because he needs the light of Freemasonry? The Bible says if you are a Christian and say you are in darkness, you are living a lie, and the truth is not in you. Because, if Christ lives in your life, you have The Light.

    The second thing The Christian Mason must ask himself is this: “If you are going to join the Lodge, is how can you come before a man called The Worshipful Master, and bow before him in a religious ceremony (remember the altar in the center, with the single light from above shining down on it) and say you are lost in darkness? “

    Jesus said “No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.” (Matt. 6:24)

    Jesus says that we cannot serve two masters. You can’t be a follower of Christ and then bow before a man you accept as your Worshipful Master. The mammon Christ warned about fits right in the lodge. What is it if it isn’t the prestige,wealth, power and position among men promised by lodge membership?

    Third, how can a Christian take a pagan blood oath? How can a man who is a follower of Jesus Christ swear he accepts as a penalty , to have his throat cut from ear to ear, his bowels ripped open, given to the beasts in the field?

    Most Masons respond to this by saying that the oaths are just kind of spooky/College Fraternity type stuff that mean little or nothing. What foolishness! It means something to Jesus Christ. This is what he said in the matter. The Mason would do well to take strong heed: Again, ye have heard that it hath been said by them of old time, Thou shalt not forswear thyself, but shalt perform unto the Lord thine oaths: But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God’s throne: Nor by the earth; for it is his footstool: neither by Jerusalem; for it is the city of the great King. Neither shalt thou swear by thy head, because thou canst not make one hair white or black.

    But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil. (Matt. 5:33 - 37)

    Take note that Jesus clearly describes the Masonic oaths and clearly states that these cometh of evil. Not from fun, not from some kind of macho male bonding, but from evil. What would possess a man to stay bound by blood oath to this stuff, once exposed, except it come of evil?

    This isn’t something that accidently found its way into scripture. In the fifth chapter of the book of James , it is repeated:

    “But above all things, my brethren, swear not, neither by heaven, neither by the earth, neither by any other oath: but let your yea be yea; and your nay, nay; lest ye fall into condemnation. (James 5:12)

    God’s Word says that the penalty for taking Masonic oaths is condemnation. God isn’t amused by this. He absolutely forbids taking these pagan blood oaths ofMasonry.

    But what is it that must be kept so secret? Why is it that Masons are required to take these pagan blood oaths of secrecy not to reveal the secrets of Masonry even before they’re told what they are supposed to keep secret? Why must these men bow down in ignorance of the secrets to which they are being bound?

    Why would a man who would never buy a car or a home or enter into a business agreement without first studying all the terms, kneel, blindfolded, in a lodge room with a noose around his neck, and swear obedience to things he has no understanding of? Crazy, isn’t it!

    What could ever possess a sane man to do something like this?
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    Take from it what you will.

    If you are a Christian, then you will know from the outset "who" the freemasonry "God" is.

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    Two spoiled children pretending to be "journalists", crying out for attention.

    Think about the question they were asking: It has been asked over and over and over. It is old news.

    Rand Paul said he would endorse the Republican nominee for President. Before he [Rand] even won the primary.

    I don't like it. But it is the truth. He is sticking by his word. He is not Ron Paul and he never was, no matter how much people want him to be. He never claimed to be a Libertarian to my knowledge.

    We have the word of two, IMHO, flaky attention seekers as to what happened after the failed "quesions", most of it on the word of the girl without any proof at all.

    The guy is crying about the capitol police making him throw away his cookies and other snacks for goodness sake.


    WTF Freemasonry has to do with any of this tempest in a teacup, totally fact free story I have no idea.

    The only thing I saw was Rand Paul doing a great job of ignoring both of them, as they asked questions that have already been answered time and time again.

    "Are you still beating your wife?" Is not journalism.

    OZ, I don't get it, did Rand Paul pee in your coffee or something?

    Let me see, we have three or four Senators that actually try to get the FedGov to follow the Constitution, maybe 10 Congressmen, and all the effort is spent to attack those people. Great job, OZ, everybody who is trying to make a postive change is working for the devil. Don't worry about those who are actually openly working for Satan. Nope, the good guys are the problem because they have a relative who may be a Mason.

    See a doctor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gringott View Post
    Two spoiled children pretending to be "journalists", crying out for attention.

    Think about the question they were asking: It has been asked over and over and over. It is old news.

    Rand Paul said he would endorse the Republican nominee for President. Before he [Rand] even won the primary.

    I don't like it. But it is the truth. He is sticking by his word. He is not Ron Paul and he never was, no matter how much people want him to be. He never claimed to be a Libertarian to my knowledge.

    We have the word of two, IMHO, flaky attention seekers as to what happened after the failed "quesions", most of it on the word of the girl without any proof at all.

    The guy is crying about the capitol police making him throw away his cookies and other snacks for goodness sake.


    WTF Freemasonry has to do with any of this tempest in a teacup, totally fact free story I have no idea.

    The only thing I saw was Rand Paul doing a great job of ignoring both of them, as they asked questions that have already been answered time and time again.

    "Are you still beating your wife?" Is not journalism.

    OZ, I don't get it, did Rand Paul pee in your coffee or something?

    Let me see, we have three or four Senators that actually try to get the FedGov to follow the Constitution, maybe 10 Congressmen, and all the effort is spent to attack those people. Great job, OZ, everybody who is trying to make a postive change is working for the devil. Don't worry about those who are actually openly working for Satan. Nope, the good guys are the problem because they have a relative who may be a Mason.

    See a doctor.
    I agree. They aren't real journalists, true ones are rare to find anywhere. But I don't think she is lying here.

    Next up, I don't believe in these "good guys". To get anywhere there's a price and Rand is simply "controlled opposition". It's very obvious to me that I would never trust this guy in real life, just strikes me as very deceptive.

    I've said it before prima facie Ron talks nicely... Liberty (a form of slavery for the oblivious) etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oz Waver View Post

    Personally I have also been asked to become a freemason and invited to attend their dinner.

    My grandfather was some high degree of Mason. I don't remember much of what he said about things but I do remember he stressed on many occasions that the Masons never asked anyone to join. That the Masons had to be approached by prospects.

    Perhaps I misunderstood.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kingfisher View Post
    My grandfather was some high degree of Mason. I don't remember much of what he said about things but I do remember he stressed on many occasions that the Masons never asked anyone to join. That the Masons had to be approached by prospects.

    Perhaps I misunderstood.
    I never asked to become a mason, I was invited.

    How it happened was this... I was asked to help at a BBQ for people that were familiar to my family. The fellow had known me since I was a child and is a really nice guy.

    The BBQ had something to do with another brother who was sick or had passed away. The whole thing was good and I was invited to come for dinner one evening at the lodge and was told it would be good for me to attend. His intention of the invitation appeared to be genuine with lots of "potential" being offered to me.

    I attended the dinner, there was lots of conversation. I talked to 2 younger guys in particular and asked what was clearly and unmistakably issues with freemasonry. They answered me diplomatically but also with enough truth of what they couldn't tell me. Whole thing left me with lots of remarkable insight.

    In the end the young guys more or less said it's good for a leg up in business etc. but it comes at a price. These guys also called some of the other men "true believers" but the inferred this wasn't in the good sense.

    Sorry it's difficult to describe the whole thing by typing.

    I was also asked to meet and talk to different people and provided with paperwork to join. I never picked up a pen and it remained unwritten.

    That's a brief run down.

    Since then I've spoken to many masons. Been in different lodge eg. UGL. And researched it a bunch more including in their main library. The whole thing is superficially nice but there are some very seriously sinister undertones that I discovered.

    For example, here's a photo I took of one of the former police commissioner's in the UGL. Note all the masonic symbology of his police uniform e.g. globus cruciger shoulder insignia, his badge, right down to checker board on his cap with blue colour representing "blue lodge" etc. etc.

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    It's wall to wall with them.

    And it goes on and on and on. I've done my fair share of real leg work on this one and I mean a lot.

    PS I don't know the correct code to respond to "My Grandfather was a mason"... I recognise it as a code though as I've heard it often and especially with an inflection of being unmistakably a question as opposed to a statement. So I spot you but I am not one of you. (I'm just a little bit sharper than the average bear)

    PPS also thank you for clarifying and confirming what i stated, that masonry is of a person's own volition. Further that they can't really be asked, this includes the above poster who's father was a mason. But I must point out, that I was invited.
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    Invited to a BBQ to discuss freemasonry=they gonna have you build a grill for nothing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dude View Post
    Invited to a BBQ to discuss freemasonry=they gonna have you build a grill for nothing.
    Invited to the lodge for a meal (which I attended). The invitation occurred at the BBQ which I helped with.

    Wasn't asked to perform anything for "free" but I get the implication of your post.
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    PS I don't know the correct code to respond to "My Grandfather was a mason"... I recognise it as a code though as I've heard it often and especially with an inflection of being unmistakably a question as opposed to a statement. So I spot you but I am not one of you. (I'm just a little bit sharper than the average bear)

    [/QUOTE]

    I am not a Mason. I don't belong to anything witheh possible exception of a loosely knitted fly fishing group. I looked into joining the Masons a few years back but was not comfortable that I understood what was required of me if I did join either financially and otherwise and decided not to proceed. So, the closest I came to it was my grandfather. I don't know any codes and stuff so if the reference to my grandfather is one, it was unintended. ...... I lie. My mother showed me a secret writing code when I was 8-9. She told me it was Masonic. It was built on an XO's frame and an X. I have since learned that it is widely known so unlikely a Masonic secret.

    This is not a code or anything but I just remembered my grandmother belonged to the Order of the Eastern Star. I believe they are distaff Masons or close to it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oz Waver View Post
    I agree. They aren't real journalists, true ones are rare to find anywhere. But I don't think she is lying here.

    Next up, I don't believe in these "good guys". To get anywhere there's a price and Rand is simply "controlled opposition". It's very obvious to me that I would never trust this guy in real life, just strikes me as very deceptive.

    I've said it before prima facie Ron talks nicely... Liberty (a form of slavery for the oblivious) etc.
    Oz, I have met Rand Paul a few times, I only asked him to do one thing: Stand up against unconstitutional wars. I even wrote it down for him and he put it in his pocket. He has. Each time I saw him, from the very first time, he seemed honest and a regular person. He does not put on airs, he dresses very modestly for a person of his station [Doctor]. The first time was either just before he announced for the primary or just after, a little meeting of a group in a small town, about 75 to 100 people. He did not use notes, he gave his "speech" without stumbling or hesitation, to me a sign of someone speaking from the heart not a memorized speech. He gave honest answers to questions, even questions that I would have laughed at. He used a literal interpretation of the Constitution for the basis of his answers. Each time I saw him was the same. A regular person. I have met Mitch McConnell [The other Senator from KY]. He is not a regular person. He is a slimey weasel who will write a nice letter to you, but look at you like you are a piece of garbage in his way in person. He is not a "regular guy". Since 2007, he has made millions of dollars on the stock market, at the same time the people of Kentucky have lost huge amounts from retirement investments. He is on the take.

    So if you want to go after someone, there you go. Have at Mitch. He is dirty, and it is in the open. I heard he might be a Mason, too.

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