Gold Is Money -- Gold is Money -  The Premier Gold and Silver Forum -- Goldismoney Gold Is Money -- Gold is Money -  The Premier Gold and Silver Forum -- Goldismoney
Welcome Guest, is this your first visit?
Register today to gain access to all of our features which include creating topics, replying back to posts, private messaging and much more!

What are you waiting for?
Already Joined?
Sign into your account now
Results 1 to 10 of 10

Thread: Ron Paul weighs in on school shooting

  1. Post #1

    #1
    Founder FoundingFathers's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    Posts
    2,226
    Thanks
    3,174
    Thanked 3,086 Times in 1,039 Posts

    Default Ron Paul weighs in on school shooting

    From Ron Paul

    Government Security Is Just Another Kind Of Violence

    The senseless and horrific killings last week in Newtown, Connecticut reminded us that a determined individual or group of individuals can cause great harm no matter what laws are in place. Connecticut already has restrictive gun laws relative to other states, including restrictions on fully automatic, so-called “assault” rifles and gun-free zones.

    Predictably, the political left responded to the tragedy with emotional calls for increased gun control. This is understandable, but misguided. The impulse to have government “do something” to protect us in the wake national tragedies is reflexive and often well intentioned. Many Americans believe that if we simply pass the right laws, future horrors like the Sandy Hook Elementary shooting can be prevented. But this impulse ignores the self evident truth that criminals don't obey laws.

    The political right, unfortunately, has fallen into the same trap in its calls for quick legislative solutions to gun violence. If only we put armed police or armed teachers in schools, we’re told, would-be school shooters will be dissuaded or stopped.

    While I certainly agree that more guns equals less crime and that private gun ownership prevents many shootings, I don’t agree that conservatives and libertarians should view government legislation, especially at the federal level, as the solution to violence. Real change can happen only when we commit ourselves to rebuilding civil society in America, meaning a society based on family, religion, civic and social institutions, and peaceful cooperation through markets. We cannot reverse decades of moral and intellectual decline by snapping our fingers and passing laws.

    Let’s not forget that our own government policies often undermine civil society, cheapen life, and encourage immorality. The president and other government officials denounce school violence, yet still advocate for endless undeclared wars abroad and easy abortion at home. U.S. drone strikes kill thousands, but nobody in America holds vigils or devotes much news coverage to those victims, many of which are children, albeit, of a different color.

    Obviously I don’t want to conflate complex issues of foreign policy and war with the Sandy Hook shooting, but it is important to make the broader point that our federal government has zero moral authority to legislate against violence.

    Furthermore, do we really want to live in a world of police checkpoints, surveillance cameras, metal detectors, X-ray scanners, and warrantless physical searches? We see this culture in our airports: witness the shabby spectacle of once proud, happy Americans shuffling through long lines while uniformed TSA agents bark orders. This is the world of government provided "security," a world far too many Americans now seem to accept or even endorse. School shootings, no matter how horrific, do not justify creating an Orwellian surveillance state in America.

    Do we really believe government can provide total security? Do we want to involuntarily commit every disaffected, disturbed, or alienated person who fantasizes about violence? Or can we accept that liberty is more important than the illusion of state-provided security? Government cannot create a world without risks, nor would we really wish to live in such a fictional place. Only a totalitarian society would even claim absolute safety as a worthy ideal, because it would require total state control over its citizens’ lives. We shouldn’t settle for substituting one type of violence for another. Government role is to protect liberty, not to pursue unobtainable safety.

    Our freedoms as Americans preceded gun control laws, the TSA, or the Department of Homeland Security. Freedom is defined by the ability of citizens to live without government interference, not by safety. It is easy to clamor for government security when terrible things happen; but liberty is given true meaning when we support it without exception, and we will be safer for it.
    GOLD=FREEDOM!

  2. The Following 8 Users Say Thank You to FoundingFathers For This Useful Post:

    Apocalypto (12-24-2012), Aurumag (12-24-2012), Bx3 (12-24-2012), Cajuncoin (12-24-2012), Hawkeye (12-24-2012), searcher (12-24-2012), SongSungAU (12-24-2012), tradeshack (12-24-2012)

  3. Post #2

    #2
    Gold Member+ SongSungAU's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2010
    Posts
    3,503
    Thanks
    3,886
    Thanked 3,420 Times in 1,592 Posts

    Default Re: Ron Paul weighs in on school shooting

    Ron Paul still rocks.

    He is a voice of reason and speaks with clarity.

    Perhaps that's why his message goes right over the heads of those in Washington.
    "I am convinced that there are more threats to American liberty within the 10 mile radius of my office on Capitol Hill than there are on the rest of the globe." -- Ron Paul, Texas Straight Talk - February 16, 2008

  4. The Following User Says Thank You to SongSungAU For This Useful Post:

    bemac (12-24-2012)

  5. Post #3

    #3
    Found a gold nugget Metal Miner tradeshack's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Posts
    173
    Thanks
    67
    Thanked 82 Times in 55 Posts

    Default Re: Ron Paul weighs in on school shooting

    The NRA wants to put a government guard in every school. Seems like the best answer if we want America to be even more like Israel. I would first rather see a deeper investigation that reveals to all why Sandy Hooks and crimes like it continue to take place. We can have both safety and Liberty if we only demand it.

  6. Post #4

    #4
    Gold Member+
    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Location
    Lake Superior
    Posts
    3,835
    Thanks
    4,069
    Thanked 3,268 Times in 1,570 Posts

    Default Re: Ron Paul weighs in on school shooting

    . He is a voice of reason and speaks with clarity.
    Which is why the media wants him silenced.


    I don't have a problem with cops being stationed at schools. Most are just revenue generating on the highway as it is for seat belts, headlights, speeders, or the few that do "crime" fight are billy clubbing some 20yr old for having a joint in his ashtray.

    Some schools have police stationed at them already and my school had them for sporting events so why not have one or two on school grounds.

  7. The Following User Says Thank You to Mr Paradise For This Useful Post:

    silver solution (12-24-2012)

  8. Post #5

    #5
    Gold Member Hope+Change's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2010
    Posts
    1,457
    Thanks
    1,033
    Thanked 615 Times in 357 Posts

    Default Re: Ron Paul weighs in on school shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Paradise View Post
    Some schools have police stationed at them already and my school had them for sporting events so why not have one or two on school grounds.
    Or to save some $, simply issue a pistol to each principle, to be tucked away safely in his office.

  9. Post #6

    #6
    Gold Member+ SongSungAU's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2010
    Posts
    3,503
    Thanks
    3,886
    Thanked 3,420 Times in 1,592 Posts

    Default Re: Ron Paul weighs in on school shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by tradeshack View Post
    The NRA wants to put a government guard in every school. Seems like the best answer if we want America to be even more like Israel. I would first rather see a deeper investigation that reveals to all why Sandy Hooks and crimes like it continue to take place. We can have both safety and Liberty if we only demand it.
    Security on the local level (controlled by the people in each community).... we don't need the Federal Government to provide the services or we're likely to get the equivalent of the TSA in our schools.
    "I am convinced that there are more threats to American liberty within the 10 mile radius of my office on Capitol Hill than there are on the rest of the globe." -- Ron Paul, Texas Straight Talk - February 16, 2008

  10. Post #7

    #7
    Gold Member Apocalypto's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    Posts
    1,762
    Thanks
    354
    Thanked 1,064 Times in 561 Posts

    Default Re: Ron Paul weighs in on school shooting

    Everything Ron Paul wanted and/or needed to say was contained in his first sentence.

    He is definitely an historic figure of epic proportions.

    "...reminded us that a determined individual or group of individuals..."
    "Yeah, no ****. Like Cracker says... said... if you're gonna be a bear, be a grizzly."

    ~ Hammer, 84C MoPic

  11. Post #8

    #8
    Gold Member Joseph's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2011
    Location
    south east
    Posts
    1,787
    Thanks
    1,756
    Thanked 1,876 Times in 797 Posts

    Default Re: Ron Paul weighs in on school shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by SongSungAU View Post
    Ron Paul still rocks.

    He is a voice of reason and speaks with clarity.

    Perhaps that's why his message goes right over the heads of those in Washington.
    His message went over the heads of a lot more people than those in Washington.

  12. The Following User Says Thank You to Joseph For This Useful Post:

    SongSungAU (12-24-2012)

  13. Post #9

    #9
    Gold Member+ Aurumag's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    Location
    The State of Jefferson
    Posts
    3,940
    Thanks
    5,543
    Thanked 2,476 Times in 1,370 Posts

    Default Re: Ron Paul weighs in on school shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by FoundingFathers View Post
    From Ron Paul

    Government Security Is Just Another Kind Of Violence

    ...

    Letís not forget that our own government policies often undermine civil society, cheapen life, and encourage immorality. The president and other government officials denounce school violence, yet still advocate for endless undeclared wars abroad and easy abortion at home. U.S. drone strikes kill thousands, but nobody in America holds vigils or devotes much news coverage to those victims, many of which are children, albeit, of a different color.

    ...
    RP knocked this one out of the park, but I am really hoping, especially considering that he is an accredited medical doctor, that he will shed public light on the Psych-Pharma link to acts of violence, and the FACT that the Sandy Hook Shooter who shall remain nameless, was being prescribed Fanapt, an FDA approved drug whose known contra-indications (side-effects) include suicidal tendencies.

    For the Consumer

    Applies to iloperidone: oral kit, oral tablet

    Get emergency medical help if you have any of these signs of an allergic reaction while taking iloperidone (the active ingredient contained in Fanapt) hives; difficulty breathing; swelling of your face, lips, tongue, or throat.

    Stop taking this medication and call your doctor at once if you have a serious side effect such as:

    headache with chest pain and severe dizziness, fainting, fast or pounding heartbeats;

    very stiff (rigid) muscles, high fever, sweating, confusion, fast or uneven heartbeats, tremors, feeling like you might pass out;

    twitching or uncontrollable movements of your eyes, lips, tongue, face, arms, or legs;

    high blood sugar (increased thirst, increased urination, hunger, dry mouth, fruity breath odor, drowsiness, dry skin, blurred vision, weight loss);

    thoughts about suicide or hurting yourself;

    fever, chills, body aches, flu symptoms, sores in your mouth and throat;

    seizure (convulsions);

    urinating less than usual or not at all;

    trouble swallowing; or

    penis erection that is painful or lasts 4 hours or longer.

    Less serious side effects of iloperidone may include:

    dizziness, drowsiness, tired feeling;

    dry mouth, stuffy nose;

    breast swelling or discharge;

    weight gain; or

    changes in menstrual periods.

    This is not a complete list of side effects and others may occur. Call your doctor for medical advice about side effects.
    For Healthcare Professionals

    Applies to iloperidone: oral kit, oral tablet

    Nervous system

    Extrapyramidal symptoms have included akathisia (up to 2.3%), bradykinesia (up to 0.6%), dyskinesia (up to 1.7%), dystonia (up to 1%), Parkinsonism (up to 0.3%), and tremor (up to 3.1%).

    Nervous system side effects including dizziness (up to 20%), somnolence (up to 15%), extrapyramidal disorder (up to 5%), tremor (3%), and lethargy (up to 3%) have been reported. Paraesthesia, psychomotor hyperactivity, restlessness, amnesia, and nystagmus have been reported infrequently. Restless legs syndrome has been reported rarely.

    Cardiovascular

    Cardiovascular side effects including tachycardia (up to 12%), orthostatic hypotension (5%), and hypotension (3%) have been reported. Palpitations have been reported frequently. Arrhythmia, first degree atrioventricular block, cardiac failure (including both congestive and acute) have been reported rarely.

    Gastrointestinal

    Gastrointestinal side effects including nausea (up to 10%), dry mouth (up to 10%), and abdominal discomfort (up to 3%) have been reported. Gastritis, salivary hypersecretion, fecal incontinence, and mouth ulceration have been reported infrequently. Aphthous stomatitis, duodenal ulcer, hiatus hernia, hyperchlorhydria, lip ulceration, reflux esophagitis, and stomatitis have been reported rarely.

    General

    General side effects including increased weight (up to 9%), fatigue (up to 6%), and arthralgia (3%) and have been reported. Decreased weight has been reported frequently. Edema, increased appetite, difficulty in walking, and thirst have been reported infrequently. Hyperthermia has been reported rarely.

    Respiratory

    Respiratory side effects including nasal congestion (up to 8%), nasopharyngitis (up to 4%), upper respiratory tract infection (up to 3%), and dyspnea (2%) have been reported. Epistaxis, asthma, rhinorrhea, sinus congestion, and nasal dryness have been reported infrequently. Dry throat, sleep apnea syndrome, and exertional dyspnea have been reported rarely.

    Ocular

    Ocular side effects including blurred vision (up to 3%) have been reported. Conjunctivitis (including allergic) has been reported frequently. Dry eye, blepharitis, eyelid edema, eye swelling, lenticular opacities, cataract, and hyperemia (including conjunctival) has been reported infrequently.

    Musculoskeletal

    Musculoskeletal side effects including musculoskeletal stiffness (up to 3%) have been reported. Myalgia and muscle spasms have been reported frequently. Torticollis has been reported rarely.

    Dermatologic

    Dermatologic side effects including rash (up to 3%) have been reported.

    Genitourinary

    Genitourinary side effects including ejaculatory failure (2%) have been reported. Erectile dysfunction has been reported frequently. Testicular pain, amenorrhea, and breast pain have been reported infrequently. Irregular menstruation, gynecomastia, menorrhagia, metrorrhagia, postmenopausal hemorrhage, and prostatitis have been reported rarely.

    Psychiatric

    Psychiatric side effects including restlessness, aggression, and delusion have been reported frequently. Hostility, decreased libido, paranoia, anorgasmia, confusional state, mania, catatonia, mood swings, panic attack, obsessive-compulsive disorder, bulimia nervosa, delirium, polydipsia psychogenic, impulse-control disorder, and major depression have been reported infrequently.


    Renal

    Renal side effects including urinary incontinence have been reported frequently. Dysuria, pollakiuria, enuresis, and nephrolithiasis have been reported infrequently. Urinary retention and acute renal failure have been reported rarely.

    Metabolic

    Metabolic side effects including dehydration, hypokalemia, and fluid retention have been reported infrequently.

    Hematologic

    Hematologic side effects including anemia, decreased hemoglobin, increased neutrophil count, decreased hematocrit, and iron deficiency anemia have been reported infrequently. Leukopenia has been reported rarely.

    Endocrine

    Endocrine side effects including hypothyroidism have been reported infrequently.

    Hepatic

    Hepatobiliary side effects including cholelithiasis have been reported infrequently.

    Other

    Other side effects including vertigo and tinnitus have been reported infrequently.
    link to Drugs.com
    __________________________________________________ _________________
    Peacefully engaging in "Economic Domestic Terrorism" since 2004.

    If We the People fail to independently audit Fort Knox, then how will we know the amount of Tungsten backing the FRN?

  14. The Following User Says Thank You to Aurumag For This Useful Post:

    Oldmansmith (12-24-2012)

  15. Post #10

    #10
    Gold Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2010
    Posts
    1,524
    Thanks
    508
    Thanked 349 Times in 251 Posts

    Default Re: Ron Paul weighs in on school shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by Hope+Change View Post
    Or to save some $, simply issue a pistol to each principle, to be tucked away safely in his office.
    Thats just too slow.

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  

The Quotes are powered by Investing.com