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    There is a great promise in the U.S. Constitution, Article 4, Section 4.

    The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion ....

    Like most Americans, I had not been informed of the nature of the republican form (not to be confused with the democratic form). In all my years of education, up to and including graduate studies, the educational establishment was mute on the United States Constitution, Article 4, Section 4.

    Is there something sinister about a "republican form of government"?

    GOVERNMENT (Republican Form of Government)- One in which the powers of sovereignty are vested in the people and are exercised by the people, either directly, or through representatives chosen by the people, to whom those powers are specially delegated.
    - - - Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition, P. 695

    Did you know that the American people are sovereign over the government?

    At the Revolution, the sovereignty devolved on the people and they are truly the sovereigns of the country.
    Chisholm v. Georgia, 2 Dall. 440, 463

    It will be admitted on all hands that with the exception of the powers granted to the states and the federal government, through the Constitutions, the people of the several states are unconditionally sovereign within their respective states.
    Ohio L. Ins. & T. Co. v. Debolt 16 How. 416, 14 L.Ed. 997

    In America, however, the case is widely different. Our government is founded upon compact. Sovereignty was, and is, in the people.
    [ Glass vs The Sloop Betsey, 3 Dall 6 (1794)]

    Sovereignty itself is, of course, not subject to law, for it is the author and source of law; but in our system, while sovereign powers are delegated to the agencies of government, sovereignty itself remains with the people, by whom and for whom all government exists and acts.
    [Yick Wo vs Hopkins, 118 U.S. 356, 370 (1886)]

    And I know most Americans haven't been informed that they volunteered to be subject citizens.

    CITIZEN - ... Citizens are members of a political community who, in their associative capacity, have established or submitted themselves to the dominion of government for the promotion of the general welfare and the protection of their individual as well as collective rights.
    - - - Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Ed. p.244

    SUBJECT - One that owes allegiance to a sovereign and is governed by his laws.
    ...Men in free governments are subjects as well as citizens; as citizens they enjoy rights and franchises; as subjects they are bound to obey the laws. The term is little used, in this sense, in countries enjoying a republican form of government.
    - - - Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition, p. 1425

    "... the term 'citizen,' in the United States, is analogous to the term "subject" in the common law; the change of phrase has resulted from the change in government. ... he who before was a "subject of the King" is now a citizen of the State."
    State v. Manuel, 20 N.C. 144 (1838)

    Why do I say that "we" volunteered?

    According to the 13th amendment, involuntary servitude was abolished in the United States of America... except after conviction. But civic duties are compulsory - with penalties for failure to perform.

    The Supreme Court has held, in Butler v. Perry, 240 U.S. 328 (1916), that the Thirteenth Amendment does not prohibit "enforcement of those duties which individuals owe to the state, such as services in the army, militia, on the jury, etc."
    In Selective Draft Law Cases, 245 U.S. 366 (1918), the Supreme Court ruled that the military draft was not "involuntary servitude".

    If compulsory military service is NOT INVOLUNTARY, then it must be voluntary servitude.
    OR
    If compulsory military service is not a violation of the 13th amendment, then the involuntary servitude under compulsion must be OUTSIDE of their jurisdiction (the States united).

    13th amendment prohibits involuntary servitude "within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction."

    14th amendment imposes citizenship upon persons "born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof".

    FEDERAL CORPORATIONS - The United States government is a foreign corporation with respect to a state.
    - - - Volume 19, Corpus Juris Secundum XVIII. Foreign Corporations, Sections 883,884

    How many Americans were born subjects of a foreign corporation?

    Somebody in Washington, D.C., thinks that all of us are their subjects, when they enact compulsory obligations on the citizenry.

    But American people are sovereign!

    That's what the courts and laws say...

    Remember, that according to the Declaration of Independence, job #1 is to secure rights, and job #2 is to govern those who consent.

    It appears that once consent is given, job #1 is waived. For the militia to be liable to train, fight, and die, on command, cannot be anything but a violation of their inalienable rights UNLESS they had given prior consent.

    When and how did YOU give consent to be governed?
    When and how did YOU surrender the endowment from your Creator?
    When and how did YOU cease being a sovereign American, served by government, and become a subject citizen, in servitude to government?

    Please read the law for yourself. . . it's available in any county courthouse law library.

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    Quick reference to "sovereignty"

    SOVEREIGN - "...Having undisputed right to make decisions and act accordingly".
    New Webster's Dictionary And Thesaurus, p. 950.

    SOVEREIGN - A person, body or state in which independent and supreme authority is vested...
    Black's Law Dictionary Dictionary, Sixth Edition, p. 1395.

    SOVEREIGNTY - ...By "Sovereignty", in its largest sense is meant supreme, absolute, uncontrollable power, the absolute right to govern.
    Black's Law Dictionary Dictionary, Sixth Edition, p. 1396.

    "In common usage, the term 'person' does not include the sovereign, [and] statutes employing the [word] are ordinarily construed to exclude it."
    Wilson v. Omaha Indian Tribe, 442 U.S. 653, 667, 61 L.Ed2. 153, 99 S.Ct. 2529 (1979)
    (quoting United States v. Cooper Corp. 312 U.S. 600, 604, 85 L.Ed. 1071, 61 S.Ct. 742 (1941)).

    "A Sovereign cannot be named in any statute as merely a 'person' or 'any person'".
    Wills v. Michigan State Police, 105 L.Ed. 45 (1989)

    "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."
    [14th Amendment, Section 1.]

    Write a polite letter to your representative and ask him if those "persons" mentioned in the 14th amendment do not refer to the sovereign Americans.

    Ask why the Congress didn't use: "any party born within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction," to impose U.S. citizenship?

    Maybe they never had the legal jurisdiction to subjugate the sovereign people, domiciled in the States united, except by subterfuge and fraud...

    THAT is a scary thought.

    P.S. - When I asked the Congressional Research service about the promise, they replied that Congress has not enacted any laws pertaining to Article 4, Section 4.

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    The rights of the individuals are restricted only to the extent that they have been voluntarily surrendered by the citizenship to the agencies of government.
    City of Dallas v Mitchell (1922) 245 S.W. 944

    K.I.S.S.
    Governments in America have 2 jobs:
    1. Secure YOUR rights, and
    2. Govern those who consent.

    Consent waives job #1.

    Did you knowingly, willingly, and intentionally surrender your inalienable rights, your endowment and birthright of your Creator?
    The government thinks you have - and they have your signature on the documents as evidence.

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    This is great stuff and I hope the jetgraphics continues to come by and post often

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    Quote Originally Posted by jetgraphics View Post
    The rights of the individuals are restricted only to the extent that they have been voluntarily surrendered by the citizenship to the agencies of government.
    City of Dallas v Mitchell (1922) 245 S.W. 944

    K.I.S.S.
    Governments in America have 2 jobs:
    1. Secure YOUR rights, and
    2. Govern those who consent.

    Consent waives job #1.

    Did you knowingly, willingly, and intentionally surrender your inalienable rights, your endowment and birthright of your Creator?
    The government thinks you have - and they have your signature on the documents as evidence.
    Children in kindergarten are taught to put their names wherever the teacher indicates they must and most people never outgrow that habit. One's signature is arguably our most precious possession and we throw it around like its meaningless.

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