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    Default Why ammo is getting hard to find

    For all of you who DON'T believe it, that puts you in the same company as the Jews in Hitlers Germany. JUST BEFORE he rounded the all up and sent the to Dachau.

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    Is any of this true????? You may not know this but George Soros owns most of the ammunition manufacturing companies and many arms manufacturers as well. He's selling ONLY to the government right now, per WH & DHS orders. My son works for ATK, who owns just about all the rest of the ammunition companies that Soros doesn't own. He tells me that ATK has been ordered by the federal government to curtail sales of ammunition, primers and powder to the retail market. What you see currently on the shelves is old stock and what's left in the warehouses since the CT shootings and new stock will NOT be appearing anytime soon. ATK and Soros' companies have more than enough government contracts to keep them going for years to come. Like Soros' companies, ATK is a huge defense contractor and they've been told to sell ONLY to the DOD, TSA, FBI, DHS and local/federal law enforcement agencies. This is VERY scary and VERY ominous for what's coming down the pike in the future.

    My son has seen the proposed pricing schedule for Federal, CCI, Hornady, Remington, Winchester and several other ammunition manufacturer's lines of ammunition, components, reloading equipment (ATK owns Outers, RCBS, Hoppe and a host of others) and he's flabbergasted! As an example, when the sales of .22 LR bulk ammo resumes, the pricing will be over $50.00 for a 535-round Value Pak! That's nearly a dime-a-shot!! They're also going to raise the prices by 300 - 400% on dies, presses, powder measures and the like. He's in management there at ATK in Salt Lake City and they're NOT happy with it at all! They firmly believe this will basically shut-down the civilian market while leaving the government as the only purchaser of their products. He saw the government pricing for the centerfire ammunition they've been stockpiling and their prices have actually dropped from a year ago so the feds are buying this stuff REAL cheap while we can't even get our hands on it at all!

    Something I've always said since Obummer came onto the scene in 2008 is that, even if they can't actually ban the weapons themselves, the government will make it nearly impossible for us civilians to feed them with ammo, reloading components and the like. The WH doesn't HAVE to actually ban the guns, as Biden said in one of his many faux pas, foot-in-the-mouth, Freudian slip speeches he's famous for making. " All we have to do is to make it too expensive to use them and the public will eventually give them back to us if we offer an attr active price for these weapons". What's an "attractive price" - a $10.00 Walmart gift card for a $3,000.00 custom hunting rifle? Those were his EXACT words in one of the speeches he gave to the freshman congressmen last week! Remember, Biden was one of the architects of the Clinton gun ban of years ago. I think he's as dangerous to the Second Amendment as Obozo is, maybe more so, because he's so stupid and doesn't know the muzzle of a gun from the butt...

    Feel free to pass this on so gun owners will be aware of what we're up against. I doubt the NRA can do anything about it, IMHO. La Pierre can get on all the talk shows he's invited to and cry the blues about the assault weapons laws that are forthcoming from the WH but the real crux of the matter will be whether or not we'll ever be able to purchase ammunition (at all) or, if we can, what we'll be paying for it. As an aside, here, I deal a LOT with Midsouth Shooters Supply for my reloading components. Two weeks ago I ordered 500 cases each of .45 Casull, .44 Magnum, .357 Magnum and 9mm Parabellum. I was told everything I had ordered was out-of-stock and no in-stock delivery date was being forecast. They wouldn't even accept a backorder for this stuff! Thing the government isn't manipulating it? Think again, my friend.


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    "MINNEAPOLIS, April 12 Alliant Techsystems (NYSE:ATK – News) has acquired Blackhawk Industries Products Group Unlimited, LLC, one of the most recognizable brands in the rapidly expanding security market. The acquisition of Blackhawk, combined with the recent acquisition of Eagle Industries, strengthens ATK’s position in tactical accessories and equipment for domestic and international military, law enforcement, security, and sport enthusiast markets. Terms of the agreement were not disclosed.

    “The acquisition of Blackhawk supports our strategy of expanding into adjacent lanes while leveraging ATK’s existing core competencies to deliver efficient growth and EPS,” said Mark DeYoung, President and CEO. “Blackhawk provides ATK with a leading tactical systems brand, an expanded portfolio of quality products, and additional design and development expertise for innovative tactical accessories. This acquisition significantly increases our presence and our potential in the growing domestic and international security markets.”

    http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2...res-blackhawk/
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    I sure hope it isn't true. But, if it is, there is the reason why no one should be/have been, waiting around for "Things to calm Down". It's been almost 3 months since Sandy Hook, and things don't seem to be getting any better, that's for sure!
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    When governments ban or restrict the sale of products, black markets are created even if the products are illegal. It's just a matter of time.

    It the article is true, and if ammunition is still LEGAL to sell, then the following events will take place:

    1) Prices will rise.
    2) New companies will enter the market to fill the demand.
    3) Prices will drop as products become available.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wallew View Post
    For all of you who DON'T believe it, that puts you in the same company as the Jews in Hitlers Germany. JUST BEFORE he rounded the all up and sent the to Dachau.



    George Soros owns most of the ammunition manufacturing companies and many arms manufacturers as well. He's selling ONLY to the government right now
    I suppose you didn't know George Soros is a Jew.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hoarder View Post
    I suppose you didn't know George Soros is a Jew.
    So was Judas Iscariot.

    But I don't know how to validate any of the "accusations" the OP has supplied so I'll continue to live my life until someone tries to take it from me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wallew View Post
    For all of you who DON'T believe it, that puts you in the same company as the Jews in Hitlers Germany. JUST BEFORE he rounded the all up and sent the to Dachau.

    +++++++++++++

    We proudly celebrate Texas Independence Day!

    Now, those liberties that our forefathers were willing to die to protect are under siege. Tell President Obama that Texans will always fight for our Independence and our Freedom! Sign the petition now! http://alturl.com/8hwb2

    Is any of this true????? You may not know this but George Soros owns most of the ammunition manufacturing companies and many arms manufacturers as well. He's selling ONLY to the government right now, per WH & DHS orders. My son works for ATK, who owns just about all the rest of the ammunition companies that Soros doesn't own. He tells me that ATK has been ordered by the federal government to curtail sales of ammunition, primers and powder to the retail market. What you see currently on the shelves is old stock and what's left in the warehouses since the CT shootings and new stock will NOT be appearing anytime soon. ATK and Soros' companies have more than enough government contracts to keep them going for years to come. Like Soros' companies, ATK is a huge defense contractor and they've been told to sell ONLY to the DOD, TSA, FBI, DHS and local/federal law enforcement agencies. This is VERY scary and VERY ominous for what's coming down the pike in the future.

    My son has seen the proposed pricing schedule for Federal, CCI, Hornady, Remington, Winchester and several other ammunition manufacturer's lines of ammunition, components, reloading equipment (ATK owns Outers, RCBS, Hoppe and a host of others) and he's flabbergasted! As an example, when the sales of .22 LR bulk ammo resumes, the pricing will be over $50.00 for a 535-round Value Pak! That's nearly a dime-a-shot!! They're also going to raise the prices by 300 - 400% on dies, presses, powder measures and the like. He's in management there at ATK in Salt Lake City and they're NOT happy with it at all! They firmly believe this will basically shut-down the civilian market while leaving the government as the only purchaser of their products. He saw the government pricing for the centerfire ammunition they've been stockpiling and their prices have actually dropped from a year ago so the feds are buying this stuff REAL cheap while we can't even get our hands on it at all!

    Something I've always said since Obummer came onto the scene in 2008 is that, even if they can't actually ban the weapons themselves, the government will make it nearly impossible for us civilians to feed them with ammo, reloading components and the like. The WH doesn't HAVE to actually ban the guns, as Biden said in one of his many faux pas, foot-in-the-mouth, Freudian slip speeches he's famous for making. " All we have to do is to make it too expensive to use them and the public will eventually give them back to us if we offer an attr active price for these weapons". What's an "attractive price" - a $10.00 Walmart gift card for a $3,000.00 custom hunting rifle? Those were his EXACT words in one of the speeches he gave to the freshman congressmen last week! Remember, Biden was one of the architects of the Clinton gun ban of years ago. I think he's as dangerous to the Second Amendment as Obozo is, maybe more so, because he's so stupid and doesn't know the muzzle of a gun from the butt...

    Feel free to pass this on so gun owners will be aware of what we're up against. I doubt the NRA can do anything about it, IMHO. La Pierre can get on all the talk shows he's invited to and cry the blues about the assault weapons laws that are forthcoming from the WH but the real crux of the matter will be whether or not we'll ever be able to purchase ammunition (at all) or, if we can, what we'll be paying for it. As an aside, here, I deal a LOT with Midsouth Shooters Supply for my reloading components. Two weeks ago I ordered 500 cases each of .45 Casull, .44 Magnum, .357 Magnum and 9mm Parabellum. I was told everything I had ordered was out-of-stock and no in-stock delivery date was being forecast. They wouldn't even accept a backorder for this stuff! Thing the government isn't manipulating it? Think again, my friend.


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    "MINNEAPOLIS, April 12 Alliant Techsystems (NYSE:ATK – News) has acquired Blackhawk Industries Products Group Unlimited, LLC, one of the most recognizable brands in the rapidly expanding security market. The acquisition of Blackhawk, combined with the recent acquisition of Eagle Industries, strengthens ATK’s position in tactical accessories and equipment for domestic and international military, law enforcement, security, and sport enthusiast markets. Terms of the agreement were not disclosed.

    “The acquisition of Blackhawk supports our strategy of expanding into adjacent lanes while leveraging ATK’s existing core competencies to deliver efficient growth and EPS,” said Mark DeYoung, President and CEO. “Blackhawk provides ATK with a leading tactical systems brand, an expanded portfolio of quality products, and additional design and development expertise for innovative tactical accessories. This acquisition significantly increases our presence and our potential in the growing domestic and international security markets.”

    http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2...res-blackhawk/


    For what it's worth ...

    Does Soros Own All US Gun & Ammo Manufacturers?
    Rense.com 10-17-11

    There has been an e-mail circulating that claims that Cerberus Capital Management and the Freedom Group control most of the firearms and ammunition industry and that George Soros owns these investment firms. The rumor of Soros involvement is false, according to the NRA:

    The National Rifle Association stated: "This rumor is completely false and baseless." The NRA has a long-standing relationship with both Cerberus and Freedom Group, noting: "The owners and investors involved are strong supporters of the Second Amendment and are avid hunters and shooters." Further, Soros has never been a part of either group.

    http://rense.com/general95/soros.htm

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    Ammoman has AK (7.62X39) ammo right now. Won't last long! http://www.ammoman.com/p/169/762x39-...polymer-coated
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    Quote Originally Posted by 90%RealMoney View Post
    Ammoman has AK (7.62X39) ammo right now. Won't last long! http://www.ammoman.com/p/169/762x39-...polymer-coated
    Thx. Just ordered a case for $375 shipped. Dollar-cost-averaging ya know...

    I was at a show in Albq this past weekend and lots of folks were asking for it, but very little to be had at any price.

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