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    Default To whom are you married (by contract)?

    From the March 2004 Idaho Observer:

    To whom are you married (by contract)?

    An Enlightening Conversation with a Marriage License Bureau

    The institution of marriage is held holy by most of the world's people because instinct tells them family is the foundation upon which society is built. The State recognizes the political and economic value of marriage and, through a creative contractual concept called “marriage licensing,” has converted the scriptural covenant of marriage into a for-profit contractual arrangement between State/husband/wife. Rather than being a priceless blessing unto the home and community where they can be loved and nurtured into healthy adulthood, a child, for instance, is now a fruit -- an asset -- upon which the state may speculate his current and lifetime of value in the marketplace. Isn't it curious that churches existing at the pleasure of the State through 501(c)(3) tax exempt status are commonly called upon to perform the ritual of marriage: The ceremony performed to create an illusion of scriptural sanctity to disguise the cold realities of a pending contract with today's government. Family is the foundation of society. The people who comprise families should understand their importance and behave accordingly.

    by Virgil Cooper

    About 15 years ago, my former wife of 26-1/2 years, filed for divorce. We had seven children, five daughters and two sons. Our youngest at the time, our second son, was five years old.

    At the time, I prepared a counterclaim to the Petition for Dissolution her attorney filed in Domestic Relations (DR) court. I met one afternoon with the head of the Maricopa County Superior Court, Marriage License Bureau, in downtown Phoenix. The marriage license bureau was headed by a young woman of about age 25. I asked her to explain to me the general and statutory implications of the marriage license. She was very cooperative, and called in an assistant, a tall black man who, at the time, was working on an operations manual for internal departmental use.

    She deferred for most technical explanations to her assistant. He walked through the technicalities of the marriage license as it operates in Arizona.

    He mentioned that marriage licensing is pretty much the same in the other states -- but there are differences. One significant difference he mentioned was that Arizona is one of eight western states that are Community Property states. The other states are Common Law states, including Utah, with the exception of Louisiana, which is a Napoleonic Code state.

    He then explained some of the technicalities of the marriage license. He said, first of all, the marriage license is Secular Contract between the parties and the State. The State is the principal party in that Secular Contract. The husband and wife are secondary or inferior parties. The Secular Contract is a three-way contract between the State, as Principal, and the husband and wife as the other two legs of the Contract. He said, in the traditional sense a marriage is a covenant between the husband and wife and God. But in the Secular Contract with the state, reference to God is a dotted line, and not officially considered included in the Secular Contract at all. He said, if the husband and wife wish to include God as a party in their marriage, that is a “dotted line” they will have to add in their own minds. The state's marriage license is “strictly secular,” he said. He said further, that what he meant by the relationship to God being a “dotted line” meant that the State regards any mention of God as irrelevant, even meaningless.

    In his description of the marriage license contract, he related one other “dotted line.”

    He said in the traditional religious context, marriage was a covenant between the husband and wife and God with husband and wife joined as one. This is not the case in the secular realm of the state's marriage license contract. The State is the Principal or dominant party. The husband and wife are merely contractually “joined” as business partners, not in any religious union. They may even be considered, he said, connected to each other by another “dotted line.” The picture he was trying to “paint” was that of a triangle with the State at the top and a solid line extending from the apex, the State, down the left side to the husband, and a separate solid line extending down the right side to the wife, a “dotted line” merely showing that they consider themselves to have entered into a religious union of some sort that is irrelevant to the State. He further mentioned that this “religious overtone” is recognized by the State by requiring that the marriage must be solemnized either by a state official or by a minister of religion that has been “deputized” by the State to perform the marriage ceremony and make a return of the signed and executed marriage license to the State. Again, he emphasized that marriage is a strictly secular relationship so far as the State is concerned and because it is looked upon as a “privileged business enterprise.” Various tax advantages and other political privileges have become attached to the marriage license contract that have nothing at all to do with marriage as a religious covenant or bond between God and a man and a woman.

    By way of reference, if you would like to read a legal treatise on marriage, one of the best is “Principles of Community Property,” by William Defuniak.

    At the outset, he explains that Community Property law descends from Roman Civil Law through the Spanish Codes, 600 A.D., written by the Spanish jurisconsults. In the civil law, the marriage is considered to be a for-profit venture or profit-making venture (even though it may never actually produce a profit in operation) and as the wife goes out to the local market to purchase food stuffs and other supplies for the marriage household, she is replenishing the stocks of the business. To restate: In the civil law, the marriage is considered to be a business venture, that is, a for-profit business venture.

    Moreover, as children come into the marriage household, the business venture is considered to have “borne fruit.”

    Now, back to the explanation by the Maricopa County Superior Court, Marriage Bureau's administrative assistant. He went on to explain that every contract must have consideration.

    The State offers consideration in the form of the actual license itself -- the piece of paper, the Certificate of Marriage. The other part of consideration by the State is “the privilege to be regulated by statute.” He added that this privilege to be regulated by statute includes all related statutes, and all court cases as they are ruled on by the courts, and all statutes and regulations into the future in the years following the commencement of the marriage. He said in a way the marriage license contract is a dynamic or flexible, ever-changing contract as time goes along -- even though the husband and wife didn't realize that. My thought on this is can it really be considered a true contract as one becomes aware of the failure by the State to make full disclosure of the terms and conditions. A contract must be entered into knowingly, intelligently, intentionally, and with fully informed consent. Otherwise, technically there is no contract. Another way to look as the marriage license contract with the State is as a contract of adhesion, a contract between two disparate, unequal parties. Again, a flawed “contract.”

    Such a contract with the State is said to be a “specific performance” contract as to the privileges, duties and responsibilities that attach. Consideration on the part of the husband and wife is the actual fee paid and the implied agreement to be subject to the state's statutes, rules, and regulations and all court cases ruled on related to marriage law, family law, children, and property. He emphasized that this contractual consideration by the bride and groom places them in a definite and defined-by-law position inferior and subject to the State. He commented that very few people realize this. He also said that it is very important to understand that children born to the marriage are considered by law as “the contract bearing fruit” -- meaning the children primarily belong to the State, even though the law never comes out and says so in so many words.

    In this regard, children born to the contract regarded as “the contract bearing fruit,” he said it is vitally important for parents to understand two doctrines that became established in the United States during the 1930s. The first is the Doctrine of Parens Patriae. The second is the Doctrine of In Loco Parentis. Parens Patriae means literally “the parent of the country” or, to state it more bluntly, the State is the undisclosed true parent.

    Along this line, a 1930s Arizona Supreme Court case states that parents have no property right in their children, and have custody of their children during good behavior at the sufferance of the State. This means that parents may raise their children and maintain custody of their children as long as they don't offend the State, but if they in some manner displease the State, the State can step in at any time and exercise its superior status and take custody and control of its children -- the parents are only conditional caretakers. He also added a few more technical details. The marriage license is an ongoing contractual relationship with the State. Technically, the marriage license is a business license allowing the husband and wife, in the name of the marriage, to enter into contracts with third parties and contract mortgages and debts. They can get car loans, home mortgages, and installment debts in the name of the marriage because it is not only a secular enterprise, but it is looked upon by the State as a privileged business enterprise as well as a for-profit business enterprise. The marriage contract acquires property throughout its existence and over time, it is hoped, increases in value. Also, the marriage contract “bears fruit” by adding children. If sometime later, the marriage fails, and a “divorce” results the contract continues in existence. The “divorce” is merely a contractual dissolution or amendment of the terms and conditions of the contract. Jurisdiction of the State over the marriage, over the husband and wife, now separated, continues and continues over all aspects of the marriage, over marital property and over children brought into the marriage.

    That is why family law and the Domestic Relations court calls “divorce” a dissolution of the marriage because the contract continues in operation but in amended or modified form. He also pointed out that the marriage license contract is one of the strongest, most binding contractual relationships the States has on people.

    At the end of our hour-long meeting, I somewhat humorously asked if other people had come in and asked the questions I was asking? The Assistant replied that in the several years he had worked there, he was not aware of anyone else asking these questions.

    He added that he was very glad to see someone interested in the legal implications of the marriage license and the contractual relationship it creates with the State. His boss, the young woman Marriage Bureau department head stated, “You have to understand that people who come in here to get a marriage license are in heat. The last thing they want to know is technical, legal and statutory implications of the marriage license.” (Laughter)

    I hope this is helpful information to anyone interested in getting more familiar with the contractual implications of the marriage license. The marriage license as we know it didn't come into existence until after the Civil War and didn't become standard practice in all the states until after 1900, becoming firmly established by 1920. In effect, the states or governments appropriated or usurped control of marriages in secular form and, in the process, declared Common Law, as applicable to marriages, “abrogated.”

    Pastor Matt Trewhella has been marrying couples without marriage licenses for 10 years. Many other pastors also refuse to marry couples with State marriage licenses.

    Pastor Trewhella has published a pamphlet for the purpose of introducing the topic of state licensing of marriage and give people a starting point for further investigation. If you would like an audio sermon regarding this matter, or arrange to see copies of the pamphlet, send a gift of at least five dollars in cash to: Mercy Seat Christian Church 10240 W. National Ave. PMB #129 Milwaukee, Wisconsin 53227., or visit the church's website at www.mercyseat.net.

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    Default The controversy of state-sanctioned “gay marriages”

    From the March 2004 Idaho Observer:

    The controversy of state-sanctioned “gay marriages”

    by Don Harkins

    Gay couples feel like social progress is being made because some cities and states are allowing them to obtain marriage licenses. The controversy has gotten a lot of press lately, largely due to the commonly held belief that the institution of marriage will be destroyed by state sanctioning of gay marriages. It's too late. State licensing has already destroyed the institution of marriage.

    Marriage, in the state licensed sense, is a purely secular, for-profit arrangement binding parties to contractual obligations that protect the principle (the state)'s interests, which are the assets (properties, children) generated under the auspices of the license.

    Marriage, in the spiritual sense, is a covenant between a man, a woman and their God as the principle; His main purpose is to provide the union wherein a spiritual base for the proper rearing of children will prepare them for well-adjusted adulthood.

    Look at the percentages of licensed marriages that fail and the dollar value attached to the children and properties over which the state claims contractual rights of disposal. In the broader sense, the state destroys everything it licenses to justify the necessity of issuing licenses.

    Think about this: The state is no longer beneficent: It is evil. To invite the state into your marriage by contract of license means that you have just opted to supercede a covenant with God and have entered into a three-party contract between you, your betrothed and Satan. The chances for happy lives and healthy children are probably greater if a contract with Satan is not consummated.

    For the purpose of raising children, a man and a woman should view their marriage as entering into a covenant with God and understand that no state licenses are required in God's kingdom.

    For the purpose of contract, anyone naive enough to volunteer their relationship into the jurisdiction of the state, in the hopes of realizing some benefit by obtaining a state license, should be allowed to do so at their own peril.

    A covenant with God and a license with the state are completely different issues. Break a covenant with God and your soul is sacrificed; break a contract with the state and it takes your worldly possessions and turns your life into a living hell.

    Those who seek state licensure for marriage, gay or otherwise, have themselves opted to participate in the demise of the institution of marriage. The state's interests are best served when licensed marriages dissolve and it's able to swoop down on people's wrecked lives and take possession of whatever value remains and assign liability for future collections.

    Men and women in love should be married before witnesses in the eyes of God and should never sign a separate contract with the secular state. If those of us who can be married in the eyes of God stopped begging for the state to license our marriage, and we strengthened the sanctity of marriage through our commitments to our spouse and to God, then the state's licensing of gay marriages can be given the exact amount of attention it deserves: None. Let those who cannot be married in the eyes of God and the state have each other -- for better or worse -- and let us get on with reestablishing our relationships with God, not the state, as our anchor.
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    Default Re: The controversy of state-sanctioned “gay marriages”

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldhedge View Post
    From the March 2004 Idaho Observer:

    The controversy of state-sanctioned “gay marriages”

    by Don Harkins

    Gay couples feel like social progress is being made because some cities and states are allowing them to obtain marriage licenses. The controversy has gotten a lot of press lately, largely due to the commonly held belief that the institution of marriage will be destroyed by state sanctioning of gay marriages. It's too late. State licensing has already destroyed the institution of marriage.

    Marriage, in the state licensed sense, is a purely secular, for-profit arrangement binding parties to contractual obligations that protect the principle (the state)'s interests, which are the assets (properties, children) generated under the auspices of the license.

    Marriage, in the spiritual sense, is a covenant between a man, a woman and their God as the principle; His main purpose is to provide the union wherein a spiritual base for the proper rearing of children will prepare them for well-adjusted adulthood.

    Look at the percentages of licensed marriages that fail and the dollar value attached to the children and properties over which the state claims contractual rights of disposal. In the broader sense, the state destroys everything it licenses to justify the necessity of issuing licenses.

    Think about this: The state is no longer beneficent: It is evil. To invite the state into your marriage by contract of license means that you have just opted to supercede a covenant with God and have entered into a three-party contract between you, your betrothed and Satan. The chances for happy lives and healthy children are probably greater if a contract with Satan is not consummated.

    For the purpose of raising children, a man and a woman should view their marriage as entering into a covenant with God and understand that no state licenses are required in God's kingdom.

    For the purpose of contract, anyone naive enough to volunteer their relationship into the jurisdiction of the state, in the hopes of realizing some benefit by obtaining a state license, should be allowed to do so at their own peril.

    A covenant with God and a license with the state are completely different issues. Break a covenant with God and your soul is sacrificed; break a contract with the state and it takes your worldly possessions and turns your life into a living hell.

    Those who seek state licensure for marriage, gay or otherwise, have themselves opted to participate in the demise of the institution of marriage. The state's interests are best served when licensed marriages dissolve and it's able to swoop down one people's wrecked lives and take possession of whatever value remains and assign liability for future collections.

    Men and women in love should be married before witnesses in the eyes of God and should never sign a separate contract with the secular state. If those of us who can be married in the eyes of God stopped begging for the state to license our marriage, and we strengthened the sanctity of marriage through our commitments to our spouse and to God, then the state's licensing of gay marriages can be given the exact amount of attention it deserves: None. Let those who cannot be married in the eyes of God and the state have each other -- for better or worse -- and let us get on with reestablishing our relationships with God, not the state, as our anchor.
    You are married to the state by contract...which is why they have the power to dictate the terms of the divorce.

    Marriages should be held in a church and be a relationship between you, yourself and God.

    Leave the state out of it. Licensing doesn't grant priveleges, they strip away God-given rights.

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    Churches are complicit in the fraud.

    Churches are LLC 501(c)(3) corporations

    Here are the IRS 'rules' for such organizations:

    Exemption Requirements - Section 501(c)(3) Organizations


    To be tax-exempt under section 501(c)(3) of the Internal Revenue Code,
    an organization must be organized and operated exclusively for exempt
    purposes set forth in section 501(c)(3), and none of its earnings may
    inure to any private shareholder or individual. In addition, it may not
    be an action organization, i.e., it may not attempt to influence
    legislation as a substantial part of its activities and it may not
    participate in any campaign activity for or against political
    candidates.


    Organizations described in section 501(c)(3) are commonly referred to
    as charitable organizations. Organizations described in section 501(c)(3),
    other than testing for public safety organizations, are eligible to receive
    tax-deductible contributions in accordance with Code section 170.

    The organization must not be organized or operated for the benefit of
    private interests, and no part of a section 501(c)(3) organization's net
    earnings may inure to the benefit of any private shareholder or individual.
    If the organization engages in an excess benefit transaction with a person
    having substantial influence over the organization, an excise tax may be
    imposed on the person and any organization managers agreeing to the
    transaction.

    Section 501(c)(3) organizations are restricted in how much
    political and legislative (lobbying) activities they may conduct.

    For a detailed discussion, see Political and Lobbying Activities. For more
    information about lobbying activities by charities, see the article Lobbying
    Issues; for more information about political activities of charities, see the
    FY-2002 CPE topic Election Year Issues.

    http://www.irs.gov/charities/charita...=96099,00.html

    The fraud of obtaining a marriage license is carried out by the minister
    who says: "By the power granted to me by the State...I now pronounce
    you man and wife.
    " They then present the State License for signature
    by both parties. It's a business arrangement from the git-go. Love has
    nothing to do with it, nor does the church (restricted) attempt to alter
    perceptions of the newlyweds before hand. Most all have been 'conditioned'
    by the media to accept the license as the only 'true' way to be married.
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    About 15 years ago, my former wife of 26-1/2 years, filed for divorce. We
    had seven children, five daughters and two sons. Our youngest at the time,
    our second son, was five years old.

    At the time, I prepared a counterclaim to the Petition for Dissolution her
    attorney filed in Domestic Relations (DR) court. I met one afternoon with
    the head of the Maricopa County Superior Court, Marriage License Bureau,
    in downtown Phoenix. The marriage license bureau was headed by a young
    woman of about age 25. I asked her to explain to me the general and
    statutory implications of the marriage license. She was very cooperative,
    and called in an Assistant, a tall Black man who at the time was working on
    an Operations Manual for internal departmental use. She deferred for most
    technical explanations to her Assistant.

    He walked through the technicalities of the marriage license as it operates
    in Arizona. He mentioned that marriage licensing is pretty much the same in
    the other states -- but there are differences. One significant difference he
    mentioned was that Arizona is one of eight western states that are
    Community Property states. The other states are Common Law states,
    including Utah, with the exception of Lousiana which is a Napoleonic Code
    state.

    He then explained some of the technicalities of the marriage license. He
    said, first of all, the marriage license is Secular Contract between the parties
    and the State. The State is the principal party in that Secular Contract. The
    husband and wife are secondary or inferior parties. The Secular Contract is
    a three-way contract between the State, as Principal, and the husband and
    wife as the other two legs of the Contract. He said, in the traditional sense a
    marriage is a covenant between the husband and wife and God. But in the
    Secular Contract with the state, reference to God is a dotted line, and not
    officially considered included in the Secular Contract at all.

    He said, if the husband and wife wish to include God as a party in their
    marriage, that is a "dotted line" they will have to add in their own minds.
    The state's marriage license is "strictly secular," he said. He said further,
    that what he meant by the relationship to God being a "dotted line" meant
    that the State regards any mention of God as irrelevant, even meaningless.
    In his description of the marriage license contract, the related one other
    "dotted line." He said in the traditional religious context, marriage was a
    covenant between the husband and wife and God with husband and wife
    joined as one.

    This is not the case in the secular realm of the state's marriage license
    contract. The State is the Principal or dominant party. The husband and wife
    are merely contractually "joined" as business partners, not in any religious
    union. They may even be considered, he said, connected to each other by
    another "dotted line." The picture he was trying to "paint" was that of a
    triangle with the State at the top and a solid line extending from the apex,
    the State, down the left side to the husband, and a separate solid line
    extending down the right side to the wife, a "dotted line" merely showing
    that they consider themselves to have entered into a religious union of
    some sort that is irrelevant to the State.

    He further mentioned that this "religious overtone" is recognized by the
    State by requiring that the marriage must be solemnized either by a state
    official or by a minister of religion that has been "deputized" by the State to
    perform the marriage ceremony and make a return of the signed and
    executed marriage license to the State. Again, he emphasized that marriage
    is a strictly secular relationship so far as the State is concerned and because
    it is looked upon as a "privileged business enterprise" various tax
    advantages and other political privileges have become attached to the
    marriage license contract that have nothing at all to do with marriage as a
    religious covenant or bond between God and a man and a woman. By way
    of reference, if you would like to read a legal treatise on marriage, one of
    the best is "Principles of Community Property," by William Defuniak. At the
    outset, he explains that Community Property law descends from Roman Civil
    Law through the Spanish Codes, 600 A.D., written by the Spanish
    jurisconsults. In the civil law, the marriage is considered to be a for-profit
    venture or profit-making venture (even though it may never actually
    produce a profit in operation) and as the wife goes out to the local market
    to purchase food stuffs and other supplies for the marriage household, she
    is replenishing the stocks of the business. To restate: In the civil law, the
    marriage is considered to be a business venture, that is, a for-profit
    business venture. Moreover, as children come into the marriage household,
    the business venture is considered to have "borne fruit."

    Now, back to the explanation by the Maricopa County Superior Court,
    Marriage Bureau's administrative Assistant. He went on to explain that every
    contract must have consideration. The State offers consideration in the form
    of the actual license itself -- the piece of paper, the Certificate of Marriage.
    The other part of consideration by the State is "the privilege to be regulated
    by statute." He added that this privilege to be regulated by statute includes
    all related statutes, and all court cases as they are ruled on by the courts,
    and all statutes and regulations into the future in the years following the
    commencement of the marriage.

    He said in a way the marriage license contract is a dynamic or flexible,
    ever-changing contract as time goes along – even though the husband and
    wife didn't realize that. My thought on this is can it really be considered a
    true contract as one becomes aware of the failure by the State to make full
    disclosure of the terms and conditions. A contract must be entered into
    knowingly, intelligently, intentionally, and with fully informed consent.
    Otherwise, technically there is no contract. Another way to look as the
    marriage license contract with the State is as a contract of adhesion, a
    contract between two disparate, unequal parties. Again, a flawed "contract."
    Such a contract with the State is said to be a "specific performance"
    contract as to the privileges, duties and responsibilities that attach.
    Consideration on the part of the husband and wife is the actual fee paid and
    the implied agreement to be subject to the state's statutes, rules, and
    regulations and all court cases ruled on related to marriage law, family law,
    children, and property.

    He emphasized that this contractual consideration by the bride and groom
    places them in a definite and defined-by-law position inferior and subject to
    the State. He commented that very few people realize this. He also said that
    it is very important to understand that children born to the marriage are
    considered by law as "the contract bearing fruit" -- meaning the children
    primarily belong to the State, even though the law never comes out and
    says so in so many words. In this regard, children born to the contract
    regarded as "the contract bearing fruit," he said it is vitally important for
    parents to understand two doctrines that became established in the United
    States during the 1930s. The first is the Doctrine of Parens Patriae. The
    second is the Doctrine of In Loco Parentis. Parens Patriae means literally
    "the parent of the country" or to state it more bluntly – the State is the
    undisclosed true parent. Along this line, a 1930s Arizona Supreme Court
    case states that parents have no property right in their children, and have
    custody of their children during good behavior at the sufferance of the
    State. This means that parents may raise their children and maintain
    custody of their children as long as they don't offend the State, but if they
    in some manner displease the State, the State can step in at any time and
    exercise its superior status and take custody and control of its children --
    the parents are only conditional caretakers. He also added a few more
    technical details.

    The marriage license is an ongoing contractual relationship with the State.
    Technically, the marriage license is a business license allowing the husband
    and wife, in the name of the marriage, to enter into contracts with third
    parties and contract mortgages and debts. They can get car loans, home
    mortgages, and installment debts in the name of the marriage because it is
    not only a secular enterprise, but it is looked upon by the State as a
    privileged business enterprise as well as a for-profit business enterprise.
    The marriage contract acquires property throughout its existence and over
    time, it is hoped, increases in value. Also, the marriage contract "bears fruit"
    by adding children. If sometime later, the marriage fails, and a "divorce"
    results the contract continues in existence.

    The "divorce" is merely a contractual dissolution or amendment of the terms
    and conditions of the contract. Jurisdiction of the State over the marriage,
    over the husband and wife, now separated, continues and continues over all
    aspects of the marriage, over marital property and over children brought
    into the marriage. That is why family law and the Domestic Relations court
    calls "divorce" a dissolution of the marriage because the contract continues
    in operation but in amended or modified form. He also pointed out that the
    marriage license contract is one of the strongest, most binding contractual
    relationships the States has on people At the end of our hour-long meeting,
    I somewhat humorously asked if other people had come in and asked the
    questions I was asking? The Assistant replied that in the several years he
    had worked there, he was not aware of anyone else asking these questions.
    He added that he was very glad to see someone interested in the legal
    implications of the marriage license and the contractual relationship it
    creates with the State. His boss, the young woman Marriage Bureau
    department head stated, "You have to understand that people who come in
    here to get a marriage license are in heat. The last thing they want to know
    is technical, legal and statutory implications of the marriage license."
    (Laughter) I hope this is helpful information to anyone interested in getting
    more familiar with the contractual implications of the marriage license.

    The marriage license as we know it didn't come into existence until after the
    Civil War and didn't become standard practice in all the states until after
    1900, becoming firmly established by 1920. In effect, the states or
    governments appropriated or usurped control of marriages in secular form
    and in the process declared Common Law applicable to marriages "abrogated."
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    So, what if you already have a license? How do you revoke it or cancel it?

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    All one needs to do is jump the broom... and have a contract (if they wish) between the two parties that says what that means. It could be different for each couple. People can have polygamous arrangements as well, if state permission is not sought. Contracts between private parties are contracts between private parties... they mean what they say. Nothing more, nothing less. As witnessed by...
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    Hahaha, marriage...

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