First Spouse Coins

[ppius13]

I have been converted. I have seen the light! I want to collect those "hot mamas", with low mintages. May Shirley Booth rest in peace.

My question is the following:

1. Do you recommend graded or ungraded coins? If graded, 69 or 70?
2. Do you recommend proof or uncirculated?

Thank you.

P.S. My endorsement of the First Spouse coins doesn't mean that the mint should abandon my idea of a coin series based on One-Legged Generals of the Civil War.

[hernancortes]

Those Modern US gold commems w/ sub 10,000 mintages --- all of which are uncirculated --- command big premiums over their PR counterparts. Mintage rules here, get the uncs. Of course if it's a popluar design AND a low mintage Proof (think Jackson, Van Buren) get the proof too.

[Oldmansmith]

Personally I like the proofs WAY better, that's why I have proofs to keep and uncirculateds to sell (eventually). Low mintage non-spouse proofs like Jackson and Van Buren are definitely a big winner. Not so sure about ugly Harrison....

[ppius13]

Thank you for your advice. Do you collect graded or ungraded Spouses? Do the coins that from the mint come in a capsule and a box, or just a box?

[hernancortes]

They come in a capsule within a box.
I personally would not worry about the graded/ungraded/69/70/first strike/early release mess. It's all total BS for a 24k coin that is designed never to be handled. Just get them as cheap as you can and you'll be alright.
That said, I think if you can get the accompanying mint packaging you should, because mint packaging for all sorts of "rare" releases is sought after itself.

[HistoryStudent]

DYODD

I have both MS & PF - I get them slabbed because of the REGISTRY at NGC (PCGS has one too)

Frankly the boxes are first class and you can BUY eight different coins right now from the mint.

That is a few BUCKS alone.

2009 was the start of the LOW numbers of finished MS & PF products right in line with very few PM products minted too.

[cpthnsolo]

Not so sure about ugly Harrison....

IMO the unc Harrison will always command a premium over the 2007 coins but I don't expect it to reach the kind of premiums the VB and Jackson command. I also think that the bar is going to go lower with some of the 2009 coins in terms of mintage numbers. If the coin losses its status as the lowest minted in the series it's surely going to effect the value on some level.

[hernancortes]

It's a shame we lost the monster spouse thread, since this has been covered before.
The spouses will probably not produce a low mintage key, rather there will be a slew of MS coins in the low-3000 range, proofs low 5000.
For example the two Tyler coins are on pace to end within 100 coins of each other, maybe 3100-3200. Should that happen, down the line I do not see one commanding a signif. premium over the other or even the Harrison. In that manner they are like the 06-08W Plat. eagles, lots of low mintages, no clear key.
But they will all fetch a high premium because they simply will not be available, like the situation today except the series will be over and there will not be any more coming down the pike to speculate on. The mint is trying to move away from low-mintage issues, they would rather divert it to their profitable bullion stuff, they turned a record profit on it last year and are beating last years pace this year.

[HistoryStudent]

Check prices on the 69s versus 70s because the differences are slight between the coins - I would LOVE to know the current POPULATIONS (which always go up by the way) of PCGS - I would then immediately POST
the NGC POPULATIONS.

The MINT total POPUALTATIONS are interesting to also study in PLACING your BETS!

[HistoryStudent]

http://www.ngccoin.com/poplookup/Bas...ion=PF&print=1

[HistoryStudent]

http://www.ngccoin.com/poplookup/Bas...ion=MS&print=1

[RossL]

Jefferson's

[RossL]

Jackson's, slabbed

[RossL]

Van Buren's, slabbed


sorry. I didn't buy any of the ugly ones

[HistoryStudent]

Van Buren's, slabbed


sorry. I didn't buy any of the ugly ones

I did all of them...

Today I ordered Harrison, Taylor, and Fillmore: and like HC said - the site where I bought them PF slabbed said all three were out of stock when they shipped my order.

Last week they shipped me Julia (dancer) Tyler now that's out of stock too.

They are getting them from the MINT so get'em while you can because the big problem is when gold doubles so does the price on these SPOUSIES!

[latemetal]

I still like the CHEAP ones, the cheaper the better...

[AgAuGal]

my favorite

[AgAuGal]

you are not buying from the mint? the mint prices are high, so Iexpected dealer prices to be higher but so far that is not my experience, can't explain it

[pay dirt]

The box is nice, yet couldnt imagine they might be in much demand in the future without the coin. The boxes are the same for all the spouses, the COA and box might be worth collecting for those that might have coins slabbed. The original mint box with COA should be worth as much or more than a slabbed coin.

[HistoryStudent]

http://news.coinupdate.com/us-mint-s...-figures-0209/

Current sales figures for those that wish to know...

[Master_Ho]

I suspect - the most of the series witll be when we get to the Kennedy presidency.............


We SHOULD get two coins...........


One for Jackie - that will be a HUGE blowout!

And one for Marilyn, which should sell even more!!!









http://goldismoney2.com/images/smili...rd/biggrin.gif

[pay dirt]

" Presidental Mistresses" could be a whole subset. Probably not enough gold at the us mint to just do Kennedy and Clintons.

[HistoryStudent]

" Presidental Mistresses" could be a whole subset. Probably not enough gold at the us mint to just do Kennedy and Clintons.

For CLINTON, Billy BOB, we could do it in CEREMONIAL "TUNGSTEN" for his work in really MESSING America OVER with his buddies Rubin and Summers - who are still somewhat in power.
This should be the year for the EXPOSURE!


I'm sorry... truth and all...

[RossL]

silver prOn has it's own thread

[Master_Ho]

silver prOn has it's own thread

Is not prOn - its HISTORY!!!!

OK - its art!!!







OK - its smut but with an artist, historical air!!

http://goldismoney2.com/images/smili...rd/biggrin.gif

[SilverPlumr]

I suspect - the most of the series witll be when we get to the Kennedy presidency.............


We SHOULD get two coins...........


One for Jackie - that will be a HUGE blowout!

And one for Marilyn, which should sell even more!!!









http://goldismoney2.com/images/smili...rd/biggrin.gif

My friend says the fake ones are better I have to disagree those puppies are real and their spectacular!!!

[pay dirt]

Some info on the coins and schedueled future release dates. Guess a few of those spouses might be over a grand in gold by the time they come out.

http://firstspousecoinguide.com/firs...release-dates/

The table below presents the release dates for past First Spouse Gold Coins as well as future coins where the release dates are known. This schedule will be updated with the official release dates once they are revealed by the United States Mint.

Year First Spouse Years Served Release Date
2007 Martha Washington 1789–1797 June 19, 2007
2007 Abigail Adams 1797–1801 June 19, 2007
2007 Thomas Jefferson’s Liberty 1801–1809 August 30, 2007
2007 Dolley Madison 1809–1817 November 19, 2007

2008 Elizabeth Monroe 1817–1825 February 28, 2008
2008 Louisa Adams 1825–1829 May 29, 2008
2008 Andrew Jackson’s Liberty 1829–1837 August 28, 2008
2008 Martin Van Buren’s Liberty 1837–1841 November 25, 2008

2009 Anna Harrison 1841 March 5, 2009
2009 Letitia Tyler 1841–1842 July 2, 2009
2009 Julia Tyler 1844–1845 August 6, 2009
2009 Sarah Polk 1845–1849 September 3, 2009
2009 Margaret Taylor 1849–1850 December 3, 2009

2010 Abigail Fillmore 1850–1853 March 18, 2010
2010 Jane Pierce 1853–1857 June 2010
2010 James Buchanan’s Liberty 1857–1861 September 2010
2010 Mary Lincoln 1861–1865 December 2010

2011 Eliza Johnson 1865–1869 TBA – 2011
2011 Julia Grant 1869–1877 TBA – 2011
2011 Lucy Hayes 1877–1881 TBA – 2011
2011 Lucretia Garfield 1881 TBA – 2011

2012 Alice Paul 1881–1885 TBA – 2012
2012 Frances Cleveland 1885–1889 TBA – 2012
2012 Caroline Harrison 1889–1893 TBA – 2012
2012 Frances Cleveland 1893–1897 TBA – 2012

2013 Ida McKinley 1897–1901 TBA – 2013
2013 Edith Roosevelt 1901–1909 TBA – 2013
2013 Helen Taft 1909–1913 TBA – 2013
2013 Ellen Wilson 1913–1914 TBA – 2013
2013 Edith Wilson 1915–1921 TBA – 2013

2014 Florence Harding 1921–1923 TBA – 2014
2014 Grace Coolidge 1923–1929 TBA – 2014
2014 Lou Hoover 1929–1933 TBA – 2014
2014 Anna Eleanor Roosevelt 1933–1945 TBA – 2014

2015 Elizabeth Truman 1945–1953 TBA – 2015
2015 Mamie Eisenhower 1953–1961 TBA – 2015
2015 Jacqueline Kennedy 1961–1963 TBA – 2015
2015 Claudia Taylor Johnson 1963–1969 TBA – 2015

2016 Patricia Nixon 1969–1974 TBA – 2016

[Master_Ho]

My friend says the fake ones are better I have to disagree those puppies are real and their spectacular!!!

Was your friend talking about fake coins - or boobs?

[HistoryStudent]

Since the GOVY doesn't issue the following for the last two years:

4 proof and 4 mint state Gold Eagles = 8

3 proof and 4 mint state Buffaloes = 7

3 proof and 4 mint state platinum eagles = 7

proof and now mint state silver eagles = 2

I humbly suggest you get what you can before they cost you 4 grand a piece = the current SPOUSES!

(get your mind out of the gutter and get with the smart PROGRAM = HO HO HO HO (sorry) like to post the LIL GREEN MASTER Wizard fellow but can't find him... HS

[Master_Ho]

I like the round the best. But I would need two, once for each hand!!

Marilyn liked that one....................


She sent you a kiss!!!!

[Master_Ho]

WOW, and it is not even my birthday.

If it had been - I might have shown you the BACK SIDE of the coin...........

[NotTheOne]

But they will all fetch a high premium because they simply will not be available, like the situation today except the series will be over and there will not be any more coming down the pike to speculate on. The mint is trying to move away from low-mintage issues, they would rather divert it to their profitable bullion stuff, they turned a record profit on it last year and are beating last years pace this year.

Is it possible that the mint might end this series early, since it isn't popular and probably not very profitable either? How would that affect prices?

[HistoryStudent]

There is no reason for them to end it - they stopped making 24 other PM coins to date (approximately) and this one they just cut from 40 K to 15 K minting from the first Washington start.

Which is PURR-FECT for the Fat Washington Cheshire Cats will little to NONE really gold and silver to mint for the people according to law.

They are 1/2 ounce of gold - get that and you get everything.

In the box or slabbed - they will have a premium on them over the price of gold - who knows how much the marketplace will assign the number.


Get 'em while they are cheap. Heck you can buy a box of 20 Martha Washingtons slabbed for really cheap today.

[HistoryStudent]

Collect accidential presidents - those NEVER elected - but someone just died so they could get into office:

FILMORE
TYLER
A. JOHNSON
AUTHUR
FORD

(way back in the dawn of history ole HS was assigned to guard SQUEEKY FROME in the Charlie Manson case - then the liberals let her out and she shot FORD!)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynette_Fromme

[Goldhedge]

Here's a couple ideas for the Clinton admin... aka the ashtray presidency....

[HistoryStudent]

I asked MOY to make a ASSISTANT spouse coin for Clinton called the:

MONICA coin....

http://popup.lala.com/popup/504684637829542936

Mambo # 5 Clinton song....

[NotTheOne]

Quote has been shortened.

There is no reason for them to end it - they stopped making 24 other PM coins to date (approximately) and this one they just cut from 40 K to 15 K minting from the first Washington start.

They are 1/2 ounce of gold - get that and you get everything. In the box or slabbed - they will have a premium on them over the price of gold - who knows how much the marketplace will assign the number.

Get 'em while they are cheap. Heck you can buy a box of 20 Martha Washingtons slabbed for really cheap today.

I get your point. I was just wondering if a stopped series would have more or less value, numi wise. Yes, the value is still having the gold. I can't afford the 20 Marthas you mentioned even though they are really cheap (everything is relative). But I can afford maybe 1.

[HistoryStudent]

If you can BUY one buy one from the US Mint - the TYLERS have low numbers...

Frankly I bought 3 of the Julia Tylers dancing - I enjoy "strickly ballroom."

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgu...26tbs%3Disch:1

Oops that's Master so and so...

here's me...

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0438205/

great movie by the way...

[NotTheOne]

Low mintage non-spouse proofs like Jackson and Van Buren are definitely a big winner.

Going on this pretense, then the James Buchanan (non-spouse) coin should be the "key". It is the last of the Liberty sub section and he was the only unmarried president. The other three were married but their spouses died before they took office. Perhaps another sub-set there. I'm putting my money on James Buchanan. Time will tell.

[Oldmansmith]

Going on this pretense, then the James Buchanan (non-spouse) coin should be the "key". It is the last of the Liberty sub section and he was the only unmarried president. The other three were married but their spouses died before they took office. Perhaps another sub-set there. I'm putting my money on James Buchanan. Time will tell.

I'm thinking that both Jackson and Van Buren will be keys. Being the last, Buchanan may garner more interest in the sub-series and therefore sell more. As HS says, nota lot of options over at the mint. I'll be buying a Buchanan from the mint anyway, at least one proof, and more if the sales numbers are low.

It has high mintage, but Jefferson's liberty is a pretty coin and is still available for a relatively low premium. I bought the uncirculated from the mint and recently bought a slabbed proof.

[NotTheOne]

Good points on Jackson & Van Buren as they are already at a premium. But I'm confused about the Buchanan comment of selling more. If the public were to buy more of JB, there can only be as many sets of the "gang of four" as the one with the lowest mintage. So the worst case would be Jefferson-esque situation. But I doubt Buchanan will have the numbers of a popular Jefferson. And he's still a non-spouse coin, although "that" may raise the mintage. Also gold price may keep numbers lower.

[hernancortes]

Remember the mintage of the Buchanan will be limited to 15,000 coins across PR and unc. I think it will sell out fairly quickly.

[hernancortes]

At a recent in-person visit I could not persuade Silvertowne to part w/ their Jackson ngc PR70 for less than their asking price of $1100.

[HairHopper]

At a recent in-person visit I could not persuade Silvertowne to part w/ their Jackson ngc PR70 for less than their asking price of $1100.

Huge price appreciation on this coin. A few months ago Silvertowne was selling PF70 for $850.

[pay dirt]

The liberty sub series is appealing because they dont have spouse portraits. They are basically new mintages (one side anyway) of the common liberty coins that were in circulation during the time of those presidents served. Collecting all four in the future might be difficult. They are getting hard to find as it is. Of the four the Jefferson bust is the nicest.

[HairHopper]

I have to agree about Jefferson. It is a very nice looking coin and ironically you can still find that one without an outrageous markup.

[NotTheOne]

Taken from CoinTalk

"As it stands now, I'm not sure if any of the published mintage figures can be trusted to be "final" mintage numbers. The Mint is "Authorized" to continue minting/selling each of the designs until the Max mintage is reached...or until the end of the entire program (sometime in 2016)."

Is this true? If so, how would one go about getting an issue that is supposedly closed? The back door of the mint?

[hernancortes]

Is there any precedent for that? That seems like an extreme long shot.

[HistoryStudent]

Back in 1933 a fellow with connections and a coin/jewelry store close by the PHILLI MINT did grab 10 1933 SAINTS and put them in his safe.

They did not come from the front door - and GUESS who has them NOW recently slabbed by NGC -

Yep, you are too smart - the US GOVY for the second court case on the FIFTH amendment so to speak...

[Master_Ho]

Back in 1933 a fellow with connections and a coin/jewelry store close by the PHILLI MINT did grab 10 1933 SAINTS and put them in his safe.

They did not come from the front door - and GUESS who has them NOW recently slabbed by NGC -

Yep, you are too smart - the US GOVY for the second court case on the FIFTH amendment so to speak...

I MAY be incorrect - but the last I heard - the family won the case and got the coins back!