First Spouse Coins

[npd1078]

Eliza Johnson Unc. is now on a wait list which basically means it sold out. Who's next?

Thanks for the heads up!
makes me wonder if they "sold out" or they ended the sales because the next one is about to go on sale......

[HistoryStudent]

My revised notes:

Remarks on the Gold Spouse Coins in MS & PF referring to Eric Jordan’s Book.
“Modern Commemorative Coins”

Please read Chapter 8 in full:
Frankly I figure the economy will get worse since the rating agencies (Moody & Weiss) have already threatened or downgraded America’s debt and Treasuries. Therefore I see the bullion price of gold in dollar rapidly this year $2000 by 2012. 2012-2013 should be the worst year in America since Plymouth Rock - 1607 - everyone died that year.

That said I know I bought the entire Liberty Sub-Set because I love the old coins and knew I could never afford a MS or PF 65 in any of them. That’s why many also played the same angle.
That way I received MS & PF 70s in all four coins. Now on to the main THRUST of my thoughts which help me formulate my strategy.

Page 36 Important Ramifications:

1- I myself feel the DESIGN COHESION (arguably) is complete by going through the back door instead of having old George on the OBS.

A- They are all famous women, US First Ladies, same one on both sides of the coin TOO.

B- They are all past president’s wives OBS.

C- They have their noted for specific actions REV.

D- All are term office numbered sequentially OBS;

E- All have their years served OBS. plus the date issued too.

F- All are dated therefore two ways OBS.

2- This set probably promises to be the lowest minted set and the most expensive to ever complete at current price in all of history because of the four coins a year expected.
As far as key coins I see probably six already in PF & MS keeping in mind that PF under 5,500 and MS under 4,000 is my subjective KEY mark(s). Those are really low numbers. (already probably some 23 coins qualify MS & PF as the 100 lowest minted ever)

Even though the building corner stone has been rejected by the collectors just like the old 1915 Panama Pacific $50 coins for many of the same reason only there are times about 80 to those two coins. And they are getting really expensive - same as 1915!

3- Who knows if many will collect by type? Who cares? Here is a one chance in history that the women in America love if they are shown them. Here is a chance in history to pick-up value expressed on pages 190 and 217 in Jordan’s book. Soon they will be + $1,500 slabbed - though.

Pick 'em up close to spot. Price of spot may triple with that new 17 $ trillion on the back burner added to QE I & QE II of 17 $ trillion ...

Har Har Har...

[namwalker]

Does anyone believe that 2013 first spouse coins will be issued?

According to the information that the mint has put out there will be, but if so why has Cleveland's first been released yet. If there is going to be 4 coins issued I feel that the later part of the year could be a busy time at the mint or just a plain bust.

[cpthnsolo]

Does anyone believe that 2013 first spouse coins will be issued?

I have been out of the loop for about 4 months now, but to my knowledge the mint has to make the spouse coins as long as they're making presidential dollars. Yes they changed the presidential dollar program, but they're still making them so the spouse series must go on legally. With sales dipping to all-time lows here I would imagine at some point the mint will find a way to end the series. While I doubt we see a coin end with a sub 2000 mintage, I think at least one or two will fail to reach 2500.

[HistoryStudent]

I have been out of the loop for about 4 months now, but to my knowledge the mint has to make the spouse coins as long as they're making presidential dollars. Yes they changed the presidential dollar program, but they're still making them so the spouse series must go on legally. With sales dipping to all-time lows here I would imagine at some point the mint will find a way to end the series. While I doubt we see a coin end with a sub 2000 mintage, I think at least one or two will fail to reach 2500.

They are waiting UNTIL the middle of the year to even issue the first one for 2012. IMVHO they know the DURABLE stuff (read gold) is something they want to keep
close to their PEA-PICKING hearts.

Look at number one below.

It's looks like a ROCKET shoot only it's all paper baloney.

[HistoryStudent]

They are waiting UNTIL the middle of the year to even issue the first one for 2012. IMVHO they know the DURABLE stuff (read gold) is something they want to keep
close to their PEA-PICKING hearts.

Look at number one below.

It's looks like a ROCKET shoot only it's all paper baloney.

El BUMPO!

Seems that the 5 0z whatever UNC is coming out...

Where is the PAUL gal? $10 spouse for Aurthur?

The gold PUPPY before gold doubles again.... Hells bells it's already 5-21-12!!!

[lightcycler]

El BUMPO!

Seems that the 5 0z whatever UNC is coming out...

Where is the PAUL gal? $10 spouse for Aurthur?

The gold PUPPY before gold doubles again.... Hells bells it's already 5-21-12!!!

Man these will be lower than all this years.

[lightcycler]

A lot of items added to the mints release schedule this morning!!!! Think there is a gold spouse in there? Nope not a chance. For me its time to just dump and move on. I'm tired of playing this game. Other things to do. Straight bullion silver purchases for me from now on.

[HistoryStudent]

http://www.jsmineset.com/2011/11/14/...-by-alf-field/

GOLD (print this)

* MAJOR ONE up from $256 to $1,015
(actually 4 times the $255 low)
= FINISHED


*MAJOR TWO down from $1,015 to $699
(a decline of 31% Fibonacci)
= FINISHED


* MAJOR THREE up from $700 to $4,500
(a Fibonacci 6 ½ times the $700 low prior)
with two 13% minor corrections
= IN PROGRESS NOW! Maybe HIGHER!


* MAJOR FOUR down from $4,500 to $3,200
( a 29% decline)
= LATER


*MAJOR FIVE up from $3,200 to $12,800
(also a four fold increase, same as ONE)
= SUPER LATER

(Silver will mirror gold in some ratio ~ HS)

[savvydon]

ok boys and girls, looks like the mint is going to scream uncle (Sam) and give in and coin this year's first spouse coins. No date yet, but they are finally on the product schedule as 'tbd'. Wonder when the remaing 2011 ladies are going to drop off the radar screen and onto the grey sheet?

[HistoryStudent]

Spouses:

Washington MS 17661
Adams I MS 17142
Jefferson MS 19823
Madison MS 12340
Monroe MS 4462
Adams II MS * 3885
Jackson MS 4609
Van Buren MS * 3826
Harrison MS * 3645
Tyler I MS * 3240
Tyler II MS * 3143
Polk MS * 3489
Taylor MS * 3629
Fillmore MS * 3482
Pierce MS * 3338
Buchanan MS 5162
Lincoln MS * 3695
Johnson MS ** 2910
Grant MS * 2672
Hayes MS * 2074
Garfield MS * 1770
Paul - Authur 0
Cleveland I

125997

Under 4,000 = *
Under 3,000 = **



Washington PF 19167
Adams I PF 17149
Jefferson PF 19815
Madison PF 17943
Monroe PF 7800
Adams II PF 6581
Jackson PF 7684
Van Buren PF 6708
Harrison PF 6251
Tyler I PF 5296
Tyler II PF * 4844
Polk PF 5151
Taylor PF * 4941
Fillmore PF 6130
Pierce PF * 4775
Buchanan PF 7110
Lincoln PF 6766
Johnson PF ** 3868
Grant PF * 3969
Hayes PF * 3226
Garfield PF * 2766
Paul - Authur
Cleveland I

167940

Under 5,000= *
Under 4,000= **


Pierce, like I said when she came out, would be a nice LOW one.

Now I think Johnson would be a LOW one too. Ending soon too.

http://www.pcgs.com/Prices/PriceGuid...=First+Spouses

PLEASE DYODD and Keep in mind popularity and fickleness of the marketplace.

[HistoryStudent]

NEW "KEY" coin probably... ~ HS

Like I mentioned when she came out that week. Got LUCKY with probabilities then.


Less then 3,000 probably too... (2,900 plus ish....)

Interesting, I suspect down the road the spouses of the future MINTAGES will drop to around 2,000 MS and 3,000 PF.

That is because 1/2 ounce will be really expensive to expendable income =1

The premium will be high = 2

The ones who missed after the first four will feel left out = 3

Jordan's book page 16...

Quote:

Learning to spot KEY coins bound for greatness (read low mintage ~ HS) and developing confidence to park your money in
them EARLY before the (dumb clucks ~ HS) herd shows up is a skill SET that every collector needs.

I would strongly suggest you read the whole page because he spells out the who, what, where, when, HOW and WHY.

***********************************

Uncirculated Eliza Johnson First Spouse Gold Coin Unavailable

by Coin Collecting News on June 9, 2012

in First Spouse Gold Coins, Gold Coins, U.S. Coins, United States Mint

Uncirculated Eliza Johnson First Spouse Gold Coin

Uncirculated Eliza Johnson First Spouse Gold Coin

This week the U.S. Mint stopped selling the uncirculated Eliza Johnson First Spouse Gold Coin. The online product page for it may still be found on the Mint's website, but it is now stamped with Sold Out.

A message of no longer available would be a better combination of words to use since sales of the uncirculated coin coupled with its companion and still available proof coin are far short of their suggested 15,000 maximum mintage. That is the amount the U.S. Mint first said it could produce across both coins provided there was enough customer demand.

But demand has declined for the one-half ounce, 24 karat gold coins that were introduced by the U.S. Mint in 2007. Sales of the Eliza Johnson First Spouse Gold Coin highlight that with the uncirculated coin at 2,914 and the proof coin at 3,876 for a total of 6,790 -- less than half of the available mintage. These figures are as of Monday, June 4, 2012. Both coins were released back on May 5, 2011, giving them more than a year of sales.

As is normally the case with products of a collecting nature, the U.S. Mint produces them in amounts to meet coin collector demand. Early demand for Eliza Johnson First Spouse Gold Coins and that of other spousal issues were weak, and the United States Mint struck fewer as a result. And if the inventory of them sells out, more will not be produced.

There is no word yet as to when the 2012 First Spouse Gold Coins will make their appearance. (See the 2012 gold coin designs.) These will honor Alice Paul and the suffrage movement, Frances Cleveland (first term), Caroline Harrison and Frances Cleveland (second term).

[HistoryStudent]

This is my pre-pre-price raising Eliza Johnson circulated. Its ugly. I think I may buy a proof version as well.





Bacon

She's NOW probably the KEY coin...

They impeached her husband and she gets the UGLY award....

[HistoryStudent]

My revised notes:

Remarks on the Gold Spouse Coins in MS & PF referring to Eric Jordan’s Book.
“Modern Commemorative Coins”

Please read Chapter 8 in full:
Frankly I figure the economy will get worse since the rating agencies (Moody & Weiss) have already threatened or downgraded America’s debt and Treasuries. Therefore I see the bullion price of gold in dollar rapidly this year $2000 by 2012. 2012-2013 should be the worst year in America since Plymouth Rock - 1607 - everyone died that year.

That said I know I bought the entire Liberty Sub-Set because I love the old coins and knew I could never afford a MS or PF 65 in any of them. That’s why many also played the same angle.
That way I received MS & PF 70s in all four coins. Now on to the main THRUST of my thoughts which help me formulate my strategy.

Page 36 Important Ramifications:

1- I myself feel the DESIGN COHESION (arguably) is complete by going through the back door instead of having old George on the OBS.

A- They are all famous women, US First Ladies, same one on both sides of the coin TOO.

B- They are all past president’s wives OBS.

C- They have their noted for specific actions REV.

D- All are term office numbered sequentially OBS;

E- All have their years served OBS. plus the date issued too.

F- All are dated therefore two ways OBS.

2- This set probably promises to be the lowest minted set and the most expensive to ever complete at current price in all of history because of the four coins a year expected.
As far as key coins I see probably six already in PF & MS keeping in mind that PF under
5,500 and MS under 4,000 is my subjective KEY mark(s). Those are really low numbers. (already probably some 23 coins qualify MS & PF as the 100 lowest minted ever)

Even though the building corner stone has been rejected by the collectors just like the old 1915 Panama Pacific $50 coins for many of the same reason only there are times about 80 to those two coins. And they are getting really expensive - same as 1915!

3- Who knows if many will collect by type? Who cares? Here is a one chance in history that the women in America love if they are shown them. Here is a chance in history to pick-up value expressed on pages 190 and 217 in Jordan’s book. Soon they will be + $1,500 slabbed - though.

Looking over the old notes...

These will be low sellers.


TBD 2012 First Spouse Series One-Half Ounce Gold Proof Coin - Alice Paul
TBD 2012 First Spouse Series One-Half Ounce Gold Uncirculated Coin - Alice Paul
TBD 2012 First Spouse Series One-Half Ounce Gold Proof Coin – Frances Cleveland (First Term)
TBD 2012 First Spouse Series One-Half Ounce Gold Uncirculated Coin – Frances Cleveland (First Term)
TBD 2012 First Spouse Series One-Half Ounce Gold Proof Coin – Caroline Harrison
TBD 2012 First Spouse Series One-Half Ounce Gold Uncirculated Coin - Caroline Harrison
TBD 2012 First Spouse Series One-Half Ounce Gold Proof Coin - Frances Cleveland (Second Term)
TBD 2012 First Spouse Series One-Half Ounce Gold Uncirculated Coin - Frances Cleveland (Second Term)

They show them after 8-28-12 TBD I wonder if they issue them one of each per month?

Imagine paying for two coins per month at the end of the year, I can.

[wproie]

Almost looks like the mint is purposefully trying to cause these coins to have even lower mintages so they can go crying to congress to have them killed off. Trying to purchase 8 of these lovely ladies (cough cough) between now and the end of the year could cause more than a few collectors to throw in the towel.

[HistoryStudent]

Almost looks the mint is purposefully trying to cause these coins to have even lower mintages so they can go crying to congress to have them killed off. Trying to purchase 8 of these lovely ladies (cough cough) between now and the end of the year could cause more than a few collectors to throw in the towel.

YOU GOT IT!



Should be the absolute Rarest coins from the US mint since the EARLY 1800s if you and I are right.





Save your nickles and your dimes.... ~ HS





409

She’s real fine my 409
She’s real fine my 409
My 409

[SIZE=3]Well I saved my pennies and I saved my dimes
(giddy up giddy up 409)
For I knew there would be a time
(giddy up giddy up 409)
When I would buy a brand new 409
(409, 409)[/SIZE]
Giddy up giddy up giddy up 409
(giddy up giddy up 409)
Giddy up 409
(giddy up giddy up 409)
Giddy up 409
(giddy up giddy up 409)
Giddy up 40...

Nothing can catch her
Nothing can touch my 409
409 ooooo
(giddy up giddy up oooo)
(giddy up giddy up oooo)
(giddy up giddy up oooo)
(giddy up giddy up)

When I take her to the track she really shines
(giddy up giddy up 409)
She always turns in the fastest times
(giddy up giddy up 409)
My four speed dual quad posi-traction 409
(409, 409, 409, 409)

Giddy up giddy up giddy up 409
(giddy up giddy up 409)
Giddy up 409
(giddy up giddy up 409)
Giddy up 409
(giddy up giddy up 409)
Giddy up 40...

Nothing can catch her
Nothing can touch my 409
(409 409 409 409)
Giddy up 409
(409 409 409 409)
Giddy up 409
(409 409 409 409)

[Milanion]

Save your nickles and your dimes.... ~ HS

I know I am, though it's been hard when I'm seeing MS70 and PF70 spouse coins going on eBay for current mint prices (e.g. last night's auctions):

http://www.ebay.com/itm/2009-W-Marga...item3f184b8cf0
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2009-W-Letit...item3f184b85be
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2009-W-Anna-...item3f184b825b
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2008-W-Louis...item41669133c6

I'm in the middle of a job hunt this month in order to raise my salary to buy more of them. It's a bit addictive if you can't tell.

[cpthnsolo]

I'm tired of playing this game. Other things to do. Straight bullion silver purchases
for me from now on.

Meh, why give up on a series that is producing sub 5000 mintage coins that can be acquired for roughly the same premium as a gold eagle if you buy wisely ? Keep the faith brother !

I'm still trying to catch up with what's happened in the coin world this year, but so far I have yet to stumble across any official statement regarding the 2012 spouse coins and their delay. Does anyone have a link to a recent story regarding the delay? At this point it seems like if the 2012 coins hit several are going to be released either at the same time or much closer together than normal. From what I know the mint legally has to make them and with July approaching one has to wonder what's going on. Of course this isn't the first time the mint has had issues with the spouse coins before so I'm betting we hear something soon. Considering demand in the series is at an all time low I bet some of the 2012 coins will have a shot at breaking the 2,500 barrier. Perhaps that's wishful thinking on my part , but even an ugly coin will be worth loading up on at that mintage level. Ideally though it would be better for the "key" coin to be much shorter than the others as it's hard to get excited about a "key" if the semi-keys have nearly the same mintage.

[Milanion]

I'm still trying to catch up with what's happened in the coin world this year, but so far I have yet to stumble across any official statement regarding the 2012 spouse coins and their delay. Does anyone have a link to a recent story regarding the delay?

You hadn't heard that the 2 coin ASE set is a dry run for the 4 coin spouse sets (PF or MS) being released on Black Friday and available for 1 month only? They'll be minting them to demand and then ask Congress to cut the program short in 2013.

Maybe we'll hear something once more of the 2011's are sold out.

[HistoryStudent]

Meh, why give up on a series that is producing sub 5000 mintage coins that can be acquired for roughly the same premium as a gold eagle if you buy wisely ? Keep the faith brother !

I'm still trying to catch up with what's happened in the coin world this year, but so far I have yet to stumble across any official statement regarding the 2012 spouse coins and their delay. Does anyone have a link to a recent story regarding the delay? At this point it seems like if the 2012 coins hit several are going to be released either at the same time or much closer together than normal. From what I know the mint legally has to make them and with July approaching one has to wonder what's going on. Of course this isn't the first time the mint has had issues with the spouse coins before so I'm betting we hear something soon. Considering demand in the series is at an all time low I bet some of the 2012 coins will have a shot at breaking the 2,500 barrier. Perhaps that's wishful thinking on my part , but even an ugly coin will be worth loading up on at that mintage level. Ideally though it would be better for the "key" coin to be much shorter than the others as it's hard to get excited about a "key" if the semi-keys have nearly the same mintage.

[B]Spouses
Washington MS 17661
Washington PF 19167
Adams I MS 17142
Adams I PF 17149
Jefferson MS 19823
Jefferson PF 19815
Madison MS 12340
Madison PF 17943
Monroe MS 4462
Monroe PF 7800
Adams II MS * 3885
Adams II PF 6581
Jackson MS 4609
Jackson PF 7684
Van Buren MS * 3826
Van Buren PF 6708
Harrison MS * 3645
Harrison PF 6251
Tyler I MS * 3240
Tyler I PF 5296
Tyler II MS * 3143
Tyler II PF * 4844
Polk MS * 3489
Polk PF 5151
Taylor MS * 3629
Taylor PF * 4941
Fillmore MS * 3482
Fillmore PF 6130
Pierce MS * 3338
Pierce PF * 4775
Buchanan MS 5162
Buchanan PF 7110
Lincoln MS * 3695
Lincoln PF 6766
Johnson MS ** 2905
Johnson PF ** 3906
Grant MS * 2716
Grant PF * 3969
Hayes MS * 2110
Hayes PF * 3270
Garfield MS * 1848
Garfield PF * 2828
Paul - Authur 0
Paul - Authur 0
Cleveland I 0
Cleveland I 0


Single * means low mintage
Double ** mean really low mintage

[HistoryStudent]

TBD 2012 First Spouse Series One-Half Ounce Gold Proof Coin - Alice Paul
TBD 2012 First Spouse Series One-Half Ounce Gold Uncirculated Coin - Alice Paul
TBD 2012 First Spouse Series One-Half Ounce Gold Proof Coin – Frances Cleveland (First Term)
TBD 2012 First Spouse Series One-Half Ounce Gold Uncirculated Coin – Frances Cleveland (First Term)
TBD 2012 First Spouse Series One-Half Ounce Gold Proof Coin – Caroline Harrison
TBD 2012 First Spouse Series One-Half Ounce Gold Uncirculated Coin - Caroline Harrison
TBD 2012 First Spouse Series One-Half Ounce Gold Proof Coin - Frances Cleveland (Second Term)
TBD 2012 First Spouse Series One-Half Ounce Gold Uncirculated Coin - Frances Cleveland (Second Term)


I kinda MISS MR. MOY at the US Mint as director.

At least he gave us the 2009 UHR...

This new OPERATOR gives us smoke, mirrors, and lots of hot air gas.



When they finally put out the eight coins this year it will be like a Chinese fire drill.

Meaning a lot of PM coins released to very low mintage after QE3-4-infinity and prices climbing like
Space Shuttle which produces low mintage. S.N.A.F.U.

[Milanion]

TBD 2012 First Spouse Series One-Half Ounce Gold Proof Coin - Alice Paul
TBD 2012 First Spouse Series One-Half Ounce Gold Uncirculated Coin - Alice Paul
TBD 2012 First Spouse Series One-Half Ounce Gold Proof Coin – Frances Cleveland (First Term)
TBD 2012 First Spouse Series One-Half Ounce Gold Uncirculated Coin – Frances Cleveland (First Term)
TBD 2012 First Spouse Series One-Half Ounce Gold Proof Coin – Caroline Harrison
TBD 2012 First Spouse Series One-Half Ounce Gold Uncirculated Coin - Caroline Harrison
TBD 2012 First Spouse Series One-Half Ounce Gold Proof Coin - Frances Cleveland (Second Term)
TBD 2012 First Spouse Series One-Half Ounce Gold Uncirculated Coin - Frances Cleveland (Second Term)


I kinda MISS MR. MOY at the US Mint as director.

At least he gave us the 2009 UHR...

This new OPERATOR gives us smoke, mirrors, and lots of hot air gas.



When they finally put out the eight coins this year it will be like a Chinese fire drill.

Meaning a lot of PM coins released to very low mintage after QE3-4-infinity and prices climbing like
Space Shuttle which produces low mintage. S.N.A.F.U.

I received in the mail yesterday the Summer Mint Catalog, there was no reference anywhere in it to the First Spouse Coins, past or future ones. We'l have to wait and see what happens...

[HistoryStudent]

PROOF JOHNSON no longer available.

http://www.coincollectingnews.org/

Probably a KEY coin I'll have to check now...

Looks like she the LOW BALL and the ugliest...

[HistoryStudent]

http://firstspousegoldcoin.com/first...coin-mintages/

some of the LOWEST EVER produced coins from the USA.

Imagine when a FEMALE is elected PRESIDENT...

Or when they start to go BELOW 2,000 total mintage for the year its actually
hapeneing if you look at the mintages going DOWN.

Johnson recently and Tyler just showed us the 2,800s in UNCs.


The DW says these are real sleepers that many are missing.

READ this PUPPY!

http://www.coinresource.com/docs/Cas...%20Moderns.pdf

[SirOzzyyzzO]

Johnson may well be a new key, but it MAY be a PLOY! All part of their master, "To sell plan...........".

The Mint is saying: Let the masses think the Spouses will all be low mintages, again - especially with this next round of anticipated, yet dates unannounced, Spouses... Let the suckers buy em up - slam the counter closed at 1,900, then occasionally let it creep up to 2K. But, when they have sold over 500K, and it hits coin world long after the return policy has expired - simply claim the digital counter broke at 2 grand... Oppps sorry buyers....

Ok - seriously, Buy one of each and send into PCGS ASAP - Pay the 1st Strike $18 sucker fee too, just think of it like backing your bet in craps - and it will pay off down the road - Remember, you MUST pay the PCGS/NGC Gods their Due if you wanna play in today's and still be around for tomorrows coin hobby... It is just the way it has become - sorry. If not, bullion is still great, but ya cant even really Flea-Bay them, all that well anymore, unless they been bled and framed by a PCGS or NGC statistic holder... It's all a numbers game..... Get your coins in, that you cherish, to a hard plastic holder that lay in wait for you either in Sarasota or Newport Beach, but only be graced with a better chance at a 70 if you grease the ole first strike Myth's palm with your hard earned $18 pesos.... Great Luck to you all...................................... Interesting to see where we'll sit this time next year with the Price of Gold and with the next round of Spouse mintage numbers - it actually may get fun....

[hernancortes]

Historical Unc Spouse sales at week 30 of availability

E Monroe 4197
L Adams 2940
Jackson ?
Van Buren ?
A Harrison 2818
L Tyler 2609
J Tyler 2552
S Polk 2605
M Taylor 2395
A Fillmore 3218
J Pierce 2784
Buchanan ?
Lincoln >3800
E Johnson 2617
J Grant 2483
L Hayes 2007
Garfield 1869

[AU+AG=Bacon]

With Hernan's post it looks like their will be even lower numbers... Quite a premium on this 1/2oz coin. I'm hooked on these numbers Great post Hernan!!! I love your posts. Looks like I need to pull the tigger on the other 3 before the 2012s come out. Garfield looks like another low low mintage.


Bacon

[HistoryStudent]

With Hernan's post it looks like their will be even lower numbers... Quite a premium on this 1/2oz coin. I'm hooked on these numbers Great post Hernan!!! I love your posts. Looks like I need to pull the tigger on the other 3 before the 2012s come out. Garfield looks like another low low mintage.


Bacon

Garfield was a hard money guy - bye- bye

And say hello to the wife...

[Oldmansmith]

I just can't do it. I know the mintages are low, but frankly they be fugly.

Still got a ton of Van Burens I'm holding.

[cpthnsolo]

I just can't do it. I know the mintages are low, but frankly they be fugly.

Still got a ton of Van Burens I'm holding.

Just keep your eyes peeled for recent spouses at shows or wherever you hunt. If you put in the leg work you can buy spouses for essentially gold eagle pricing and in my mind that's a no brainer. I traded out of some of my spouses last year once I realized I wouldn't put together the entire set, but the liberty sub-sets are about 10 meters down in the pond down the road protected by this guy:

[HistoryStudent]

Living now and grabbing spouses is like living in the early 1800s and putting together a set of eagles and half eagles.

Actually lower type MINTAGE per population today see Jordan's BOOK... remember only 9 million people in USA in 1820s = now in 2012 with 360 million ish...


40 times MORE ding-a-lings.


Start with MS first then grab the proofs.

http://www.google.com/imgres?q=eric+...9,r:1,s:0,i:78

Chart inside so... see MINT STATE lowest coined COINS... ~ HS

[louisianagold]

Picked up a hayes Unc tonight for $880. Sure it was graded PCGS MS69, but I still got it lower than issue price, and graded. I am happy with it.

[HistoryStudent]

MCM still has a MS70 Grant at $1,179 which has a 50/50 chance of being the NEW KEY or close to it.

Oops checked today 7-3-12 and it's UP $100 - you snooze you LOSE...

I just grabbed another one.

The 2011 GOLD spouses all four/eight of them: MSs will ALL be low balls; and PFs will also have low mintage.


Can't wait for the 2012s when they start in probably August. I also suspect the gold price to be way up from here then
too.

With the combinations:

non-interesting subjects
possible higher gold prices
worst economic year in 200 years
coin apathy for the set
these coins will go from one key coin to the next as they are released.

READ BELOW...

[HistoryStudent]

MINT STATES Minted
Washington MS 17661
Adams I MS 17142
Jefferson MS 19823
Madison MS 12340
Monroe MS 4462
Adams II MS 3885
Jackson MS 4609
Van Buren MS 3826
Harrison MS 3645
Tyler I MS 3240
Tyler II MS 3143
Polk MS 3489
Taylor MS 3629
Fillmore MS 3482
Pierce MS 3338
Buchanan MS 5162
Lincoln MS 3695
Johnson MS "key" 2905
Grant MS 2735
Hayes MS 2120
Garfield MS 1883
Paul - Authur 0
Cleveland I 0

Sub total MSs 126214

PROOFS
Washington PF 19167
Adams I PF 17149
Jefferson PF 19815
Madison PF 17943
Monroe PF 7800
Adams II PF 6581
Jackson PF 7684
Van Buren PF 6708
Harrison PF 6251
Tyler I PF 5296
Tyler II PF 4844
Polk PF 5151
Taylor PF 4941
Fillmore PF 6130
Pierce PF 4775
Buchanan PF 7110
Lincoln PF 6766
Johnson PF "key" 3906
Grant PF semi-key 3969
Hayes PF 3289
Garfield PF 2857
Paul - Authur 0
Cleveland I 0

Sub total PFs 168132

[hernancortes]

Scored a Letitia Tyler unc for $877 shipped. Can't even find a 1/2 oz. gold eagle for that price currently.

[hernancortes]

MCM still has a MS70 Grant at $1,179 which has a 50/50 chance of being the NEW KEY or close to it.

Oops checked today 7-3-12 and it's UP $100 - you snooze you LOSE...

I just grabbed another one.

The 2011 GOLD spouses all four/eight of them: MSs will ALL be low balls; and PFs will also have low mintage.


Can't wait for the 2012s when they start in probably August. I also suspect the gold price to be way up from here then
too.

With the combinations:

non-interesting subjects
possible higher gold prices
worst economic year in 200 years
coin apathy for the set
these coins will go from one key coin to the next as they are released.

READ BELOW...

Add to the list:

Too many competing issues in 2012
Delayed release for 2012's will blast the market all at once with probably 3 released the same day... like HS I will guess August or Early September. Will test the finances of hardcore collectors.
Mint will strike to demand and look at Hayes at 43 weeks of sales... barely 2000 nearing the end of the sales period

[HistoryStudent]

Scored a Letitia Tyler unc for $877 shipped. Can't even find a 1/2 oz. gold eagle for that price currently.

YOU ARE THE SHOPPER to beat!

Key coin #3 in MSs.

So many do not understand these coins right now - same as the PAN AM SET in 1915!

http://www.google.com/imgres?q=Pan+a...,r:9,s:69,i:34

[HistoryStudent]

Add to the list:

Too many competing issues in 2012
Delayed release for 2012's will blast the market all at once with probably 3 released the same day... like HS I will guess August or Early September. Will test the finances of hardcore collectors.
Mint will strike to demand and look at Hayes at 43 weeks of sales... barely 2000 nearing the end of the sales period

I plan to BUY duplicates of HAYES & GARFIELD now as the sales stink. Grant MS70 is on-the-way probably be the new key as the folks are tapped out buying 250,000 plus
silver "dealies" and waiting half-a-year. 3 plus silver dealies in pairs slabbed equals about $900.00. So be IT.

The $2.50 1915 PAN-AM Commemorative was minted at 6,750 way-back-when and the MS67 runs around $16,500 when PCGS graded more then they even produce (about)
of the latest spouses some 2,275 total, NGC graded 1,983 total.

Get a clue these spouses are a MINT MINTAGE fiasco F.U.B.A.R. and S.N.A.F.U. on spades.

Wait just a few years when they go NO LONGER AVAILABLE.

They are like a SUPER IRA 401 with no third party crook holding the burning paper(s).

And you can buy them at a small premium to spot. Better then giving your stocks to BURN THE CURRENCY BEN the wishy-washy.

Be brave.

~ HS

[louisianagold]

2011 Julia Grant First Spouse Uncirculated UNC Gold $10 Coin in OGP.

Just purchased for $910 shipped. Looks like a good one.

[wproie]

I've been buying both the proofs and uncirculateds since they were first discussed here. Most of what I have is from the mint but a few of them I bought slabbed. I have them all in one form or another along with a few duplicates. I plan on buying the entire set. My question:

Where would you go from here? Continue to buy from the mint or buy slabbed PF and MF70 versions from MCM or somewhere else? Just looking for opinions.

[HistoryStudent]

I've been buying both the proofs and uncirculateds since they were first discussed here. Most of what I have is from the mint but a few of them I bought slabbed. I have them all in one form or another along with a few duplicates. I plan on buying the entire set. My question:

Where would you go from here? Continue to buy from the mint or buy slabbed PF and MF70 versions from MCM or somewhere else? Just looking for opinions.

The BOTTOM line is that when (if ever) you decide to sell (someone will, right?) they will be way over $1,000 then. And most coins over $1,000 need to be
SLAB STATE for ease of selling. The others in mint packaging will sell but you'll only get MS/PF 68 prices for them.

Coins over $1,000 (sadly) because people are scared of their FIAT dollars (never figuring out about the guy with hand on the CTRL-P {print} TREASURY button(s) with the beard)
want AUTHENTICATION of what they are buying like a guarantee. I suggest you join PCGS {5) and NGC {8} yearly and start sending in the ones you have. I did that last year: got a few 70s and a few 69s. Don't wait too long or you'll be over the $3,000 limit like all my UHRs are right now... ;>(((

All the above is MVHO based upon having a greater number of the coin collectors that will buy them. There is always the oddball that believes like they did before the 1990s that coins should be raw. If so let them BUY it and break it out. You just want the highest numbers of buyers for the BOTTOM line.

Frankly I suggest these will go from $1,000 coins to $5,000 coins (or higher in 10 years) for a lot of reasons. Mainly CTRL-P buttons to infinity.

[namwalker]

The way that the mint is handling the 1st spouse coins is a crying shame. They will definitely wait until late in the year (as has been discussed here) before releasing them to the buying public. When they do release them they will have a high premium on them.

This is truly a FUBAR situation that they are creating for this coin series. They have done the same thing to the 5oz hockey pucks for the ATB series. A lot of people that I know have walked away from them and are considering doing the same to the 1st spouse coins.

To speak the truth, there is not a lot of people who can afford to spend the money on either of these sets. Each new release in the spouse series will be lower mintage than the preceding one.

The mint has created a recipie for disaster for the spouse sets in the way that they are handling this series. In mvho I do believe that the mint has lost interest in this series and is working hard to create a reason to stop the series all together. There is no reason why the mint could not have already released the first two coins of this series if for no other reason than to keep in step with the presidential counterparts.

[HistoryStudent]

The way that the mint is handling the 1st spouse coins is a crying shame. They will definitely wait until late in the year (as has been discussed here) before releasing them to the buying public. When they do release them they will have a high premium on them.

This is truly a FUBAR situation that they are creating for this coin series. They have done the same thing to the 5oz hockey pucks for the ATB series. A lot of people that I know have walked away from them and are considering doing the same to the 1st spouse coins.

To speak the truth, there is not a lot of people who can afford to spend the money on either of these sets. Each new release in the spouse series will be lower mintage than the preceding one.

The mint has created a recipie for disaster for the spouse sets in the way that they are handling this series. In mvho I do believe that the mint has lost interest in this series and is working hard to create a reason to stop the series all together. There is no reason why the mint could not have already released the first two coins of this series if for no other reason than to keep in step with the presidential counterparts.

Eric Jordan addresses these type of concerns in his book. See pages 45 through 53. Keys in their Infancy onward...

Sadly, these GOVY management "dealies" are a PURE recipe for OPPORTUNITY.

Having worked for the govy I can say things like "Military Intelligence" are a total oxymoron.

They don't know their ass(ets) from a hole in ground.


Step back and BUY like hell anything in gold under 5,000 units total: and anything in silver under 30,000 units total.


30 years from now they'll think you were a ALBERT EINSTEIN coin collector.


Quote from above: "To speak the truth, there is not a lot of people who can afford to spend the money on either of these sets. Each new release in the spouse series will be lower mintage than the preceding one."

Answer: I totally agree. However I'd rather have these coins then the cash saved in some bank - I would.

Take advantage of the MINT INTELLIGENCE.

[shallow_explorer]

Take advantage of the MINT INTELLIGENCE.

Great oxymoron!

[HistoryStudent]

http://www.firstspousecoins.us/

Boy, is that a UGLY crowd to draw too...

But it rhymes with today... that's a joke...



Recent sales:

http://news.coinupdate.com/us-mint-s...conclude-1475/


Strange how they (read Mint Intelligence going postal) keep these puppies over a year now without releasing another mintage LOSER that in ten years will be a winner par excellence.


http://firstspousegoldcoin.com/first...release-dates/

[HistoryStudent]

http://www.coinnews.net/tools/first-...es-and-prices/

In the above is a LOT of information. Because history never actually repeats - but the damn thing sure does rhyme - I suggest
you do your own personal research into the list.

For example I find all the release dates and sell out dates interesting, not to mention the dwindling mintages per year.

I still say these will be individually overlooked according to president/spouse.

T.R., FDR, Truman, Eisenhower, Kennedy, Reagan will all get more play.

I expect Cleveland #2, and Harrison to be light play. But - who knows, right?

In the entire mint history (since 1790s - 220 years) these will make their mark as being THE MOST unpopular in the era they were produced; and very wanted
say, some 10 years from the mint stopping production. Funny how they are made out of the only real money.


Old ~HS crazy as a fox in the golden hen house by himself.

[Milanion]

I expect Cleveland #2, and Harrison to be light play. But - who knows, right?

In the entire mint history (since 1790s - 220 years) these will make their mark as being THE MOST unpopular in the era they were produced; and very wanted
say, some 10 years from the mint stopping production. Funny how they are made out of the only real money.

Old ~HS crazy as a fox in the golden hen house by himself.

Your not by yourself, some of us are in there with you.

I am now in the camp of seriously doubting the series will be continued. We are in late July with no scheduled release date and the summer catalog having no reference to them. 5 more months and we're into 2013. I hope I'm wrong though.

[Curio Bill]

http://www.coinnews.net/tools/first-...es-and-prices/

...

For example I find all the release dates and sell out dates interesting, not to mention the dwindling mintages per year.

I still say these will be individually overlooked according to president/spouse.

T.R., FDR, Truman, Eisenhower, Kennedy, Reagan will all get more play.

I expect Cleveland #2, and Harrison to be light play. But - who knows, right?

In the entire mint history (since 1790s - 220 years) these will make their mark as being THE MOST unpopular in the era they were produced; and very wanted
say, some 10 years from the mint stopping production. Funny how they are made out of the only real money.


Old ~HS crazy as a fox in the golden hen house by himself.

I will be getting the Jordan book later today but I have been studying the PDF & these threads, but if I understand you correctly, you feel the ugly/unpopular spouses will NOT eventually spike even though they WILL have very small mintages??

[HistoryStudent]

I will be getting the Jordan book later today but I have been studying the PDF & these threads, but if I understand you correctly, you feel the ugly/unpopular spouses will NOT eventually spike even though they WILL have very small mintages??

Historically, for 200 years the collectors do not figure it out until the coins go "off sale" and then sometimes up to a generation (you figure it out by research - 20 to 80 years).

However if the precious metal takes off much of the premium(s) are lost UNLESS they are really rare. These are really rare on steroids. Like the Mother of HOUSAIN Been Forgotten.


Read the BOOK about five times. Modern Commemorative Coins - by Jordan
You'll be a mini-expert.

Then sometimes a coin spikes like the UHR already did once - and will really again later on.

I have HAD Saints for years. They really go up and down like the tide mixed with the wave sets on the Pacific Ocean in August (read 10 to 12 footers).

Today they are worth about three to five times what I paid - in the past they have JUMPED up to six to ten times. Get used to it. TPTB hate real money
until LIKE today they are getting ready to jump on board. Some US FED governors are already 90% physical. Kinda like Joe Kennedy, Bernard Baruk, and the
other smart ones who advised FRD before the 1933 gold grab - they shipped theirs off to England. Baskets think different baskets.

We will see things that will make you amazed.

**************************************

I expect to see each of these coins at $5,000 to $10,000 easy in the next five years ish.

**************************************


Jim Willie's partial:

◄$$$ GIVEN THAT THE BREAKDOWN IS IN A STRONG MIDDLE GEAR, NUMEROUS MESSAGES HAVE COME FROM MY BEST SOURCE OF INFORMATION. HE HAS STRONG TIES TO THE GOLD MARKET AND THE EUROPEAN BANKING WORLD. HIS OPINIONS ARE MANY AND VERY ENLIGHTENING. NOT ONE OF HIS INSIGHTS ON MAJOR EVENTS HAS BEEN FOUND TO BE ERRANT IN FOUR YEARS. IN 2010 HE EXPECTED THE BREAKDOWN TO COME AND TO GATHER GREAT SPEED, BUT NOT FOR A COUPLE YEARS. THAT IS NOW. HE MENTIONED THAT IN MAY, A GREAT WRENCH HAD BEEN TOSSED INTO THE JPMORGAN MACHINERY THAT WOULD LEAD TO A COLLAPSE OF THE USTBOND AND ITS DERIVATIVE BUTTRESS. THE EVENTS CONTINUE. HERE ARE SOME KEY ITEMS TO HIS MESSAGES, ORGANIZED BY THEME, HIS THOUGHTS, HIS WORDS, MINOR EDITS PLACED TO FLOW WELL. $$$

A Paradigm Shift is in progress that defies perception in established ways. The bankers who wrecked the system by opposing the free markets falsely thought they would always be in control. Wrong! The bank rescues to date are like a big bucket to scoop water out of the Titanic flooded lower chambers, a futile exercise. The events to date have ripped out the entire bottom hull from the financial market, keeping the analog. The only lifeboats have labels that indicate hard assets, the self-re-pricing assets such as precious metal, valuable commodities, agro/forestry/fishery and essential commercial real estate, all located in non over-regulated and confiscatory jurisdictions in the West. The Hong Kong territory is one of the safest places to store your assets. A total collapse is urgently needed, to remove from power the few who rig the system for their advantage. The implosion is already happening but not yet seen by the general public. An event driven scenario is in progress, but it is anyone's guess what will trigger the final outcome. The infighting at the round table at the very top already draws blood. Precious metal and agricultural assets are key to survival.

Hardly any investment grade Gold remains available in larger quantities. Good quantities are left at Scotiabank in Toronto, which is a sitting duck that can be drained only during the final act. Persian Gold is being reprocessed in very large quantities in Turkey, given new markings, then sold to major buyers in Asia and the Middle East. The Swiss depositories are mostly cleaned out except for segregated vaults where governments are holding substantial quantities. However, no one trusts the Swiss banks any longer and those depositories will soon be cleaned out. In just 20 to 25 years, the Swiss have lost their historical and coveted integrity. Depending on the situation of the seller, premiums are being paid but some closings are done at spot prices. The physical metal will survive and rule royally, whereas all paper will decay and blow away. We are indeed entering a golden age.

The Euro currency is dead and so is the USDollar. The Euro is running on fumes, while the USDollar enjoys a erection in the morgue. We are at the end of an era, just like when the Iron Curtain fell with an event of smaller scale. The European deal making is absurd theater, where all that ever comes from Brussels summits is well fed and well liquored participants coming out of luxury dining rooms. We shall see precious metal prices in today's US$ terms go through the roof not before long. Silver will rise to $500 per oz and Gold to $10,000 per oz. These could be conservative projections. The means to control the precious metals prices is gradually disappearing with their forfeited metal. A critical point will be soon reached where the cartel can no longer control the price. The stage they stand on will not tilt, but rather collapse from a lost foundation used to manipulate prices. On the other hand, crude oil could be on its way to $50 per barrel. The big oil producers are already sweating blood and ****ting bricks. As mentioned previously, Germany, Holland, Finland, and Austria are the nations calling the shots in a well choreographed sequence whose outcome was agreed upon in April 2010. The events are happening as planned.

My line of query was directed at the Evil Camp to unleash a new chapter nightmare, not to permit white light, fresh breeze, and cleanup to come so neatly. My suspicion is that the Boyz will attempt to destroy much of the world, rather than turn over control and face criminal prosecution, or endure vanishing acts by the new captains. My expectation is that the bankers will turn on each other, the survival of a few stronger or more connected or more involved could likely depend upon eating and devouring some weaker rivals and then putting blame on them in the aftermath.

He responded. These banksters are very naïve, easily being pushed onto their own sword. They have been busy shoveling themselves as excrement. The strategy of divide and conquer always succeeds. The real powerful people are going to play Cowboys & Indians with the United States next, where the entire US will act as the Indian victims this time. It will not be funny at all, this global counter-attack to bring an end to financial tyranny. Some executives from the powerful banks are running for the exit to cut deals before all comes crashing down. The lid on corruption has blown off, finally visible. The system has already cratered big time, having been broken over two years ago. The news came that ex-CEO Bob Diamond from Barclays would forgo up to $31 million in deferred bonuses. He predicted the blocked bonus four days before it became news. He believes Diamond bought some time and probably will not go to prison in Europe. But as a US citizen and passport holder, he will likely be prosecuted by the US authorities. He might see jail time, unless he dies from an accident in order to protect his family. Plenty of precedent there.

The shock waves only now are reaching the surface, after much effort to contain the damage. The old system is broken beyond repair but the new system has not been launched yet. The old system must first be wrecked to the ground in totality, in order to assure no migration of old Boyz from the old system to the new system. They must be isolated and dealt with. The sequence of events appears to be a slow motion implosion, but the process is actually unfolding with lightning speed. Most people cannot comprehend what is happening, as they tend to come to the wrong conclusions from patterned thinking that no longer is relevant. The Jackass belief is that deeply rooted wrong-footed assumptions interfere with the mental processing of events, like beliefs that my government is basically good, our leaders have our interests in mind and strive to keep us safe, the military protects our nation, and respect for private assets is a constant. Wrong, wrong, wrong!

The damage done to the customers in the entire banking community from this market rigging scheme goes in to the $trillions. Little Metzler Bank of Germany is putting a telephone pole up Deutsche Bank's rectum in the LIBOR fraud, decorated with razor wire. Expect to see the big banks taken down now one after the other. The D-Bank CEO Ackerman has already been dismissed. American banker CEOs are next. The blowback from this scam is so big that the damages could be incalculable. In fact, the resolution could force a global war, which cannot be ruled out any longer. When one pillar at a time is removed from big buildings, an event drive scenario is triggered. The buildings are all connected by vast cable systems.

A religious element is laced within the European crisis. The Northerners (Germans, Dutch, and Finns) have strong resolve, marching in lockstep. These Northerners are all Protestants whereas the Club Med legion are all Catholics. The EU leaders are Catholics, some associated with secret societies and pedophile rituals. Many century old and deep rooted resentments and animosities underneath that are boiling with big bubbles to the surface during the ongoing crisis. If sufficiently frustrated, a internal war in Europe could occur, since the players are bellicose people. The Northerners are freedom loving, strong willed people and fierce warriors. Recall the Battle of Varus in northern Germany where a few legions of the Roman Army were annihilated (SEE LINK).

The key to the next chapter is a growing alliance between Russia and Germany. All pipelines coming from Russia end in Germany. The largest roll-on & roll-off rail facility is in the port of Finofort in Germany on the Baltic Sea. The North Stream pipeline is going from Russia, across the bottom of the Baltic Sea, all the way to Germany, where it terminates at Lublin. The rail network from China passes through Russia and on to Germany. An entire network of rail systems is being fixed for heavy duty rail transport. Test runs have been successfully concluded. Chinese and Russian companies have been buying up the majority of former East German airfields, where heavy lift cargo planes come in every day to deliver good to large scale industrial facilities, destined for making finish products and distribution in the EU. An important point is that German obtains from Russia its raw materials including metals and energy. It is not the Middle East, and therefore the strategic thinking is not skewed. The open trade is brisk. The German foreign policy is not written by a small nation on the Southern Mediterranean.

In order that nobody believe this intriguing man to be perfect, he has had only one error in his view of unfolding events. A great many events have occurred, with clear forewarning by him and his expansive team, events unfolding much as he expected. Events where decisions were made have been shared, which shine a light on the path of events to come. In the summer of 2009, he expected an imminent powerful upward move in the price of Gold & Silver during the yearend holiday season. Instead, it occurred one year later, exactly in magnitude as described but with a time lag. A very forgivable faux pas by a brilliant, connected, and generous man. We lock horns on certain matters, but they are minor and pertain more to style. He has my greatest respect and gratitude. His shared views have helped hundreds of Hat Trick Letter readers to comprehend the unfolding events with less confusion harbored. He has helped many to enjoy financial reward. The future reward will be an order of magnitude larger.

## THANKS

Thanks to the following for charts StockCharts, Financial Times, UK Independent, Wall Street Journal, Zero Hedge, Business Insider, Calculated Risk, Shadow Govt Statistics, Market Watch.

[Curio Bill]

Thanks HS, I promise I WILL buy & read the book, but under your argument would it be better to get a couple of ugly FSs or one pretty Jackson??