Made up my mind ......

[ewells]

http://www.del-ton.com/Rifle_Kit_p/rkt100.htm

Of course I will have to buy a stripped lower reciever and put it together ....... but seems like a pretty good deal. I have missed going to the ranges and want to get back into it.

[Rusty Shackelford]

I had fun with mine that I completed earlier this summer.

Here is the thread I did on it (with pics).

http://goldismoney2.com/showthread.p...(pics-included)!!

If it is a complete build kit, I recommend getting the upper receiver vise block. I got by with out the lower vise block though. I got mine from Midway. I could not find any way to secure the upper while attaching the barrel and the barrel nut. Barrel nut wrench is a must too. I have also found that the Derlin (sp?) take down pin punches where well worth the $2.00 I paid.

[ewells]

Well I found a place locally that has stripped lowers + lower parts kit and will assemble it for me.

[Rusty Shackelford]

I recommend assembling the Lower your self if you have not done so. It can be a little frustrating (especially if you have bad eyes (bifocals) and are a little shaky with fine motor skills. The springs and detents are small!! But it was a learning experience for me and I have a clear understanding of how the guts of my rifle operates. It only took me about 45 minutes going through the step by step online tutorial from Brownells (free on their website). A good lower and LPK should set you back $150 or so. YOu can find some blems and generics cheaper on the other hand you could also spend $200+ on just the lower with no LPK.

Have Fun and show some pics when you get done no matter which route you take.

[hypervel]

I might know somebody who got a Del-Ton unit recently enough. He installed, as a matter of course, a Wolff extractor spring. (research the peculiarities of non-20" barrel/gas systems). It may have been passed on to me that brass fell into a neat little pile to starboard. Same ammo, but after a bit there was a repeatable failure to strip and chamber on IIRC the second round from a full mag. Turns out the optional feed ramps had a little transition problem from the aluminum to the breech. A little Dremel action made it uglier but smoove az buttah.
Good piece, and no real complaints compared to some of the mongrels this acquaintance of mine has seen.
Be safe.

[ewells]

Good to know. But as far as I know im getting the regular feed ramps. Unless I get both the barrel/upper m4 feed ramps.

Went to the shop at lunch, placed an order for the stripped lower + lower kit + m4 MCPS (or something like that) butt stock. Cost was $270/tax. Will be ready today or tomorrow. Plus they are going to sell me the complete upper for $410.

Also I forgot to mention it was a dTi lower ..... forgot what he called it but it was recomended.

I might know somebody who got a Del-Ton unit recently enough. He installed, as a matter of course, a Wolff extractor spring. (research the peculiarities of non-20" barrel/gas systems). It may have been passed on to me that brass fell into a neat little pile to starboard. Same ammo, but after a bit there was a repeatable failure to strip and chamber on IIRC the second round from a full mag. Turns out the optional feed ramps had a little transition problem from the aluminum to the breech. A little Dremel action made it uglier but smoove az buttah.
Good piece, and no real complaints compared to some of the mongrels this acquaintance of mine has seen.
Be safe.

[ewells]

soo ...

And im getting the rest for $410 next week.

[Toxa]

Your title “Made up my mind” instantly had me thinking about my girlfriend. As in when we are getting ready to go out and she is looking at the closet thinking what to put on.
I’m sorry… it’s completely off topic, but that was the first thing that popped up in my head and I felt like sharing it with you.


Back on topic, it’s fun to build your own rifle!

[ewells]

Nice. Im a man. And I guess the title is kinda misleading because there was never really a period of thought. I woke up and said, im getting this. lol.

Your title “Made up my mind” instantly had me thinking about my girlfriend. As in when we are getting ready to go out and she is looking at the closet thinking what to put on.
I’m sorry… it’s completely off topic, but that was the first thing that popped up in my head and I felt like sharing it with you.


Back on topic, it’s fun to build your own rifle!

[ewells]

From http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/ I got the upper reciever and bolt carrier group. Now all I need is a barrel, hand guards, and a scope.

[DM1975]

You can't go wrong with Bravo Company. They have great products.

[ewells]

Yeah that's why I went with them. Someone else highly recommended them. I can't wait to go to the range and build my skills back up. Then again this time I wont have just regular iron sights.

[DM1975]

Iron sights are great and everyone should be able to use them well, but good optics are a force multiplyer and well worth the investment. I have an ACOG's, Aimpoint CompM2's, and a few Leupolds on my rifles and wouldn't take for any of them. Glass is something that should never be skimped on if used.

[ewells]

I would love an acog . But will settle for a simple red dot scope for now. Actually what I really want is nvgs and that laser system that is only visable with nvgs. Forget what its called.

[DM1975]

Their are several different IR lasers, but most of them are not on the market. The ones that are out there are very expensive. I have a set of PVS-14 night vision that I use on my 10.5" LMT AR with my Comp M2 at night. great little combo and works rather well. When I was back in Texas last year I went pig hunting with it and ended up killing a nice hog. No need for the laser in my opinion, but they can be nice to have if you like them.

[DM1975]

Here is me with that kit after killing the hog.

[ewells]

YeAh I dont suspect they would be on the market lol. I will never forget getting to use one during basic. I scored like 36 or 38/40 so I was one of like 6 in my batallion that got issued an m16a4 with all the neat **** on it lol.

[DM1975]

YeAh I dont suspect they would be on the market lol. I will never forget getting to use one during basic. I scored like 36 or 38/40 so I was one of like 6 in my batallion that got issued an m16a4 with all the neat **** on it lol.

I went from using the latest and greatest M16A2 when I first came, through all the bells and whistles up till I retired two years ago using an M4 with ACOG, VITAL IR laser, PVS-14's, and fancy Surefire weaponslights. I remember getting my first A4 and thinking how crazy the rail and detachable sights were. I instantly loved the Gmoney grips you could put on them.

[ewells]

Nice. Yeah I felt so damn highspeed with that A4 LOL. And nice pic of the hog.

I went from using the latest and greatest M16A2 when I first came, through all the bells and whistles up till I retired two years ago using an M4 with ACOG, VITAL IR laser, PVS-14's, and fancy Surefire weaponslights. I remember getting my first A4 and thinking how crazy the rail and detachable sights were. I instantly loved the Gmoney grips you could put on them.

[DM1975]

Thanks, I don't shoot much anymore, I just stack ammo and mags waiting for the collaps of society, or my mental breakdown, whichever comes first.

That hog had been eating up all the corn at the feeders at my in-laws so I decided to just walk out there one night and lo and behold he was standing there munching away, so I put one through his heart. Had to have someone move him and string him up for me as my back is really bad now days, but we sure ate good that week.

[Rusty Shackelford]

Rule number one about hunting pics. Smile and act like your having fun.

Just screwing with ya. Nice pig

[DM1975]

Rule number one about hunting pics. Smile and act like your having fun.

Just screwing with ya. Nice pig

Thanks, I am smiling, you should see me when I'm not...

[ewells]

Bought my barrel kit from Del Ton last night. Standard 1x9 twist with feed ramps. Not chrome lined. Also dont know if you guys know this or not but their barrels are actually 4150 CMV. From what I understand thats some high quality stuff.

[DM1975]

Personally, I only own stainless or chrome lined on anything that I think may be used as a "drag through the dirt" rifle. Just my thoughts and feelings that gives me piece of mind. 4150 CMV is good, but the crome lined and stainless does better against corrosion and wear. For most people it will do just fine.

[ewells]

I dont plan on really using it heavly. I do plan on getting a BCM barrel eventually to match my upper. And it will be chrome lined too. Just for now this is my cheap bastard alternitive.

Personally, I only own stainless or chrome lined on anything that I think may be used as a "drag through the dirt" rifle. Just my thoughts and feelings that gives me piece of mind. 4150 CMV is good, but the crome lined and stainless does better against corrosion and wear. For most people it will do just fine.

[tulsamal]

So you used an SBR on that pig? What is that, 10.5" barrel?

Gregg

[DM1975]

So you used an SBR on that pig? What is that, 10.5" barrel?

Gregg

Yep, stamped 10.5" LMT with a Hornady 75grn BTHP backed with Varget. The pig dropped dead in place, one shot.

[SilverCity]

Hornady 75grn BTHP backed with Varget.

One of my favorite 223 loads. Great accuracy out to 200 yrds with all of my ARs...glad to know it's still pretty effective out of a short barrel.



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[DM1975]

One of my favorite 223 loads. Great accuracy out to 200 yrds with all of my ARs...glad to know it's still pretty effective out of a short barrel.



SC

Oh yes, it is very effective. People underestimate SBR's too much because of their short barrels. I get some loss of velocity, but for the most part the most annoying thing is it sounds like a grenade going off when you shoot it. Super loud even with ear plugs. I thought about getting a piggy to go on it to quieten it down, but I like it just like it is.

[ewells]

Barrel came in today. Good fit and finish. Barrel nut twists right on all the way to the last thread without breeze. Came with m4 feed ramps that match the bcm upper perfectly. The barrel is a DTi-del ton.

[Rusty Shackelford]

you have 48 hours to complete the assembly and get the pics loaded to the forum.

[ewells]

you have 48 hours to complete the assembly and get the pics loaded to the forum.

lol wish I could assemble it. I did a mock assemble and everything is a great fit and finish. Thing is I dont have a armors wrench to tighten it down to the 35ftlbs or whatever it needs to be.

[Rusty Shackelford]

I would pick one up. I learned that it is nice to have. I skipped out on the multi tool wrench. I also found that the upper bench block is a must have. Here are links to the ones I bought through midway usa.

http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct...tNumber=593549

http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct...tNumber=123930

Looks like the barrel nut wrench is out of stock. But I can tell you that it is one sturdy piece of steel.

[DM1975]

I have a cheap barrel wrench ($5 I think) and I don't even torque my barrel nuts. Once you start getting it on you will see that it gets super tight about halfway between the teeth lining up with the gas tube hole. Get it past that and lined up and it will be fine. I don't even use a receiver block, I just hook the wrench on slightly off center from the receiver while the two receivers are together, put it on the floor and step on it and let my weight and the floor do the work. Their are better ways, but it does work. I have built half a dozen AR's like this and no problems on any of them, just don't force it too much. As long as it is pretty snug with the teeth lined up it will be fine.

[ewells]

I've been thinking about doing just that. I think I will. Do I have to go 1 rung over if the gas tube aligns after its hand tight?

[Aurumag]

Yep, stamped 10.5" LMT with a Hornady 75grn BTHP backed with Varget. The pig dropped dead in place, one shot.

I think your scope is longer than your barrel!

I am also pleased to learn that 75 grn ammo has so much versatility, since that is the primary load for my 16" ARsenal.

[ewells]

So can anyone answer my last question?

[DM1975]

So can anyone answer my last question?

Sorry, I have been sick, but whatever you do... Do not overtighten it. If it is had tight and aligned then I would wrench it to the next slot. Hand tight is just that, no real torque to it. give it a bit of help to the next slot and you should be golden.

FWIW I have seen barrels shoot loose on the range before on hand tight fits. A little force should get it just right for you. It does not need to be super tight, but it does not need to be tight like head bolts either. If you absolutely CN'T get it to the next alignment slot then you either need to get a vice block and vice or back it back down, depending on how much ass you can put behind it. I am 6'02" and almost 300lbs so I can put some serious ass behind a bolt even with my injuries.

I have even sat on receivers and tightened the nut up that way before. Just be careful not to strip the receiver threading. Treat it like a carbourator rebuild and feel it out.

[SWRichmond]

The fricking receiver is aluminum, and you are tightening a steel nut onto it, against metal-to-metal contact where the barrel meets the receiver. Don't over tighten it. A little bit of rotation raises contact pressure a lot, and hence, pressure on the threads.

[DM1975]

Yes it is aluminum and you should not overtighten, but it does have to have some degree of torque to it. Hand tight using a wrench may be just fine, but using just your hand to tighten it then no way.

[ewells]

Ok cool I will buy a armors wrench and tighten it to the next groove. I need to get some anti-sieze anyway to do this right. I guess I could just take it to my local armorer and have them assemble it, but I like to be hands on when I can. The only thing is .....

How the frack do you get that damned gas tube pin through the front sight post lol. I guess I need a punch set?

Sorry, I have been sick, but whatever you do... Do not overtighten it. If it is had tight and aligned then I would wrench it to the next slot. Hand tight is just that, no real torque to it. give it a bit of help to the next slot and you should be golden.

FWIW I have seen barrels shoot loose on the range before on hand tight fits. A little force should get it just right for you. It does not need to be super tight, but it does not need to be tight like head bolts either. If you absolutely CN'T get it to the next alignment slot then you either need to get a vice block and vice or back it back down, depending on how much ass you can put behind it. I am 6'02" and almost 300lbs so I can put some serious ass behind a bolt even with my injuries.

I have even sat on receivers and tightened the nut up that way before. Just be careful not to strip the receiver threading. Treat it like a carbourator rebuild and feel it out.

The fricking receiver is aluminum, and you are tightening a steel nut onto it, against metal-to-metal contact where the barrel meets the receiver. Don't over tighten it. A little bit of rotation raises contact pressure a lot, and hence, pressure on the threads.

[DM1975]

A punch set is very handy, lol. Make sure you do that part right as your gas system is the heart of the operations. CMMG I think, has a punch that is perfect for this install. And yes, anti-seize is a good idea. FWIW I have none on any of my rifles, but that is just me.

[DM1975]

ARFCOM used to have some great tutorials on doing these things. I have not been on there in a while, but it would be worth checking out. We even got on live video feed one night with Swingset (I believe was his name) and helped him build an AR upper and lower.

[DM1975]

And just to get your blood pumping about this rifle, here are some of my toys

[ewells]

Damn fine riffles man. And I just found out I can buy a complete .50BMG upper from a company for like 2k. It sits right on top of the AR15 lower too. ......god I want it so bad right now. As soon as the next opprotunity presents itself where I have 2k .... im getting it. I will just have to find a range that is setup for .50 lol.

And just to get your blood pumping about this rifle, here are some of my toys

[DM1975]

Damn fine riffles man. And I just found out I can buy a complete .50BMG upper from a company for like 2k. It sits right on top of the AR15 lower too. ......god I want it so bad right now. As soon as the next opprotunity presents itself where I have 2k .... im getting it. I will just have to find a range that is setup for .50 lol.

Thanks. I love shooting a 50. I loved shooting the M107. It has its drawbacks, but is still a fine rifle. Never have shot the one you are talking about, but the recoil on the 107 is so nice that you can fire it a lot without it tearing you up. I love the way it flairs your nostrils when you fire it.

[ewells]

I might be just getting a fully assembled BCM upper. Oh and I picked up a burnshell holographic optic. I guess its exactly the same as a eotech because eotech made them. And my first 30rd magpul.

[ewells]

I think for now I will just stick with what I have for now. Will have the local pros assemble it tomorrow.

[DM1975]

I think for now I will just stick with what I have for now. Will have the local pros assemble it tomorrow.

Cool. That is always a safe bet if you are unsure of doing it yourself. Check out ARFCOM first on their building tutorials. Good info there.

[ewells]

Whelp pulled the trigger on a complete bcm upper assembly chrome lined 1x7 twist