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Analyzed: How Boats Vanish Over The Horizon

Discussion in 'Topical Discussions (In Depth)' started by solarion, Dec 27, 2017.



  1. solarion

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    I found this 10.5 minute narrated video presentation of boats vanishing over the horizon line to be fascinating.



    Analyzed: How Boats Vanish Over The Horizon
    EmpyThea FilleDelphIa
    Published on Sep 26, 2016

    Raw Video from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPrTM... time coded, condensed, & analyzed. Compare with the same path viewed from 75 ft elevation ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icRkq... ) // Edit: orientation for the Pier location (terrible video, sorry: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9xFI... ) orientation for the Cape Cod Canal: general - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLWnY... with distances - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MAua... Also -- the ship is most likely a US Navy ship designed for Special Warfare Support but its id is still pending. // I expect someone will try and convince me that the distortion is "caused" by the "curve" of their conventional-theory ball earth. The trouble is that the effect is not exponential, but linear -- the argument then becomes a case of special pleading, an informal fallacy. I might as well argue the distortion is caused by a magical unicorn that just happens to be invisible and its existence can therefore not be disproven.
     
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    Kewl. The sun shrinks!



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    The lady narrating the vid is wack.


    It's been my experience that the Sun oftentimes appears to be larger when near the horizon, not smaller.
    I say appears larger because it's just that, only the appearance of being larger. Kinda like how the Moon can appear larger when near the horizon even though it is no larger than when it is overhead.
    ...and in that vid, the reason it seems to get smaller is because the glare makes it look bigger when it is higher in the sky. Once the glare goes away, you can actually see the Sun.



    Also, for someone who has professed to not be trying to prove the Earth is some particular shape, you sure seem to be trying awfully hard to prove the Earth is a particular shape. Ie: flat.
    ...but it's not flat sol.

     
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    [​IMG]

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    Why would the earth be flat and all the other planets everywhere be round?
     
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    No clue...I've not designed any plane-ts. I do know when I look at this:

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    I don't automatically leap to the conclusion that I'm going to be using them on a spheroid.

    Spend a few pondering the absurdity of luna's "orbit" of Earth. It's supposedly held in place by Earth's "gravity" pulling it and it's own inertia allegedly preventing this gravity majik from yanking the moon into a collision with Earth. This means you can essentially say that the moon has been "falling" around the Earth for the past 4.77 billion years...without interruption. Obviously nobody is going to come up with a sensible explanation as to how such an absurdity could be initiated.

    ...and yet it's the concept that the Earth is flat that's wacky.

    Of course when NASA allegedly sends things into "orbit" around the Earth using the same principle, their alleged "orbits" decay over time and they crash skylab back to Earth.
     
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    The moons orbit is decaying. It gets further away as time goes on.
     
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    Why not post the rest of the pics too? As opposed to cherry picking?

    Two other pics taken by the same person that don't show those mountains. If they were truly directly visible, they'd be visible in all of the pics, not just one.
    ...but this is no different than your 56 mile pic of Chicago. You present it as though it's visible like that all the time and not just when atmospheric conditions allow it.

    Pic taken a little before the one we can see the mountains.
    bp1410115.jpg

    Pic taken a little after Sun rise. No mountains visible. Why not? If your pic shows a direct line-of-sight, those mountains should still be visible, shouldn't they? The fact they aren't visible, should tell you something sol.
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    the earth is like a frisbee, rounded on the edges
     
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    238,900 miles now...Roche limit reached...meh maybe a few billion moar. I ain't losing sleep, just so long as it magikally happens to be precisely the size and distance necessary to completely cover the sundisk every so often.

    The quasi-scientists at NASA also claim we're going to smack into Andromeda in xyz billion years too. Those guys are such conspiracy theorists.
     
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    Huh? The Moon orbits approx 21 times father than the Roche limit of the Earth. To have reached the Roche limit, the Moon would need to be 21 times closer to Earth.

    Moon Roche.PNG
     
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    Don't let it getcha daon bruh...you'll still have billions of years to worship Luna. It's not like NASA skylab junk that crashes after only 6 years so they can move onto their next scam.
     
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    This is a still frame taken from the video in post #2. This is shortly after the very large cargo ship was apparently converted into a hovercraft via lensing and light refraction.

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    Obviously those that still somehow believe ships go over an edge of curved water need not be bothered trying to explain how this can be.
     
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    Maybe the earth is flat with rounded edges like DBD said!? But maybe...Dun DUN DUN!!! Maybe it's like a rectangle like a Chicago style Pizza Pie!? Huh? And you thought I was just a handsome face!
     
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    ^^^THIS^^^
     
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    Maybe the eye-in-stine's first wife was correct and space curves back on it's self which would create a sphere. Now, you non thinkers take a moment to ponder the worm-hole theory. Ask urself what is the "first" thing a theoretical physicist will say? Somewhere along the lines of: Picture a flat plane and bend it over, create a something and you can travel the distance faster than a frozen eskimo fart can thaw.

    So there it is, damm glad I got that out there about them loony physicists I mean the bluster of them thinking that three dimensions can be bent as if they are flat...OH, darn! Is some one arguing that the earth is flat? Oh Shoz-bots and a nano-nano 2 U.
     
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    If everything bends over back into itself, that explains all the idiots with their heads up their backsides

    O.K. now to flat earth, yeah,
    no, just don't get it:don't know:
     
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    Foucault pendulum
    From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    Foucault's pendulum in the Panthéon, Paris
    The Foucault pendulum (English: /fuːˈkoʊ/ foo-KOH; French pronunciation: [fuˈko]) or Foucault's pendulum is a simple device named after French physicist Léon Foucault and conceived as an experiment to demonstrate the Earth's rotation. The pendulumwas introduced in 1851 and was the first experiment to give simple, direct evidence of the earth's rotation. Today, Foucault pendulums are popular displays in science museums and universities.[1]





    Original Foucault pendulum[edit]
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    A Print of the Foucault Pendulum, 1895
    The first public exhibition of a Foucault pendulum took place in February 1851 in the Meridian of the Paris Observatory. A few weeks later, Foucault made his most famous pendulum when he suspended a 28-kg brass-coated lead bob with a 67-m-long wire from the dome of the Panthéon, Paris. The plane of the pendulum's swing rotated clockwise approximately 11.3° per hour, making a full circle in approximately 31.8 hours. The original bob used in 1851 at the Panthéon was moved in 1855 to the Conservatoire des Arts et Métiers in Paris. A second temporary installation was made for the 50th anniversary in 1902.[2]

    During museum reconstruction in the 1990s, the original pendulum was temporarily displayed at the Panthéon (1995), but was later returned to the Musée des Arts et Métiers before it reopened in 2000.[3] On April 6, 2010, the cable suspending the bob in the Musée des Arts et Métiers snapped, causing irreparable damage to the pendulum and to the marble flooring of the museum.[4][5]

    An exact copy of the original pendulum has been swinging since 1995 under the dome of the Panthéon, Paris.[6]

    Explanation of mechanics[edit]
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    Animation of a Foucault pendulum at the Pantheon in Paris (48° 52' north), with the Earth's rotation rate greatly exaggerated. The green trace shows the path of the pendulum bob over the ground (a rotating reference frame), while in any vertical plane. The actual plane of swing appears to rotate relative to the Earth. The wire should be as long as possible—lengths of 12–30 m (39–98 ft) are common.[7]
    At either the North Pole or South Pole, the plane of oscillation of a pendulum remains fixed relative to the distant masses of the universewhile Earth rotates underneath it, taking one sidereal day to complete a rotation. So, relative to Earth, the plane of oscillation of a pendulum at the North Pole undergoes a full clockwise rotation during one day; a pendulum at the South Pole rotates counterclockwise.

    When a Foucault pendulum is suspended at the equator, the plane of oscillation remains fixed relative to Earth. At other latitudes, the plane of oscillation precesses relative to Earth, but more slowly than at the pole; the angular speed, ω (measured in clockwise degrees per sidereal day), is proportional to the sine of the latitude, φ:

    {\displaystyle \omega =360^{\circ }\sin \varphi \ /\mathrm {day} }[​IMG],
    where latitudes north and south of the equator are defined as positive and negative, respectively. For example, a Foucault pendulum at 30° south latitude, viewed from above by an earthbound observer, rotates counterclockwise 360° in two days.

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    A Foucault pendulum at the North Pole: The pendulum swings in the same plane as the Earth rotates beneath it.
    To demonstrate rotation directly rather than indirectly via the swinging pendulum, Foucault used a gyroscopein an 1852 experiment. The inner gimbal of the Foucault gyroscope was balanced on knife edge bearings on the outer gimbal and the outer gimbal was suspended by a fine, torsion-free thread in such a manner that the lower pivot point carried almost no weight. The gyro was spun to 9000–12000 revolutions per minute with an arrangement of gears before being placed into position, which was sufficient time to balance the gyroscope and carry out 10 minutes of experimentation. The instrument could be observed either with a microscope viewing a tenth of a degree scale or by a long pointer. At least three more copies of a Foucault gyro were made in convenient travelling and demonstration boxes and copies survive in the UK, France, and the US.

    A Foucault pendulum requires care to set up because imprecise construction can cause additional veering which masks the terrestrial effect. The initial launch of the pendulum is critical; the traditional way to do this is to use a flame to burn through a thread which temporarily holds the bob in its starting position, thus avoiding unwanted sideways motion (see a detail of the launch at the 50th anniversary in 1902).

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    An excerpt from the illustrated supplement of the magazine Le Petit Parisien dated November 2, 1902, on the 50th anniversary of the experiment of Léon Foucault demonstrating the rotation of the earth.
    Air resistance damps the oscillation, so some Foucault pendulums in museums incorporate an electromagnetic or other drive to keep the bob swinging; others are restarted regularly, sometimes with a launching ceremony as an added attraction.

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    The animation describes the motion of a Foucault pendulum at a latitude of 30°N. The plane of oscillation rotates by an angle of −180° during one day, so after two days, the plane returns to its original orientation.
    A 'pendulum day' is the time needed for the plane of a freely suspended Foucault pendulum to complete an apparent rotation about the local vertical. This is one sidereal day divided by the sine of the latitude.[8][9]


    Related physical systems[edit]
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    The device described by Wheatstone.
    Many physical systems precess in a similar manner to a Foucault pendulum. As early as 1836, the Scottish mathematician Edward Sangcontrived and explained the precession of a spinning top. In 1851, Charles Wheatstone [12] described an apparatus that consists of a vibrating spring that is mounted on top of a disk so that it makes a fixed angle {\displaystyle \phi }[​IMG] with the disk. The spring is struck so that it oscillates in a plane. When the disk is turned, the plane of oscillation changes just like the one of a Foucault pendulum at latitude {\displaystyle \phi }[​IMG].

    Similarly, consider a nonspinning, perfectly balanced bicycle wheel mounted on a disk so that its axis of rotation makes an angle {\displaystyle \phi }[​IMG] with the disk. When the disk undergoes a full clockwise revolution, the bicycle wheel will not return to its original position, but will have undergone a net rotation of {\displaystyle 2\pi \,\sin(\phi )}[​IMG].

    Foucault-like precession is observed in a virtual system wherein a massless particle is constrained to remain on a rotating plane that is inclined with respect to the axis of rotation.[13]

    Spin of a relativistic particle moving in a circular orbit precesses similar to the swing plane of Foucault pendulum. The relativistic velocity space in Minkowski spacetime can be treated as a sphere S3 in 4-dimensional Euclidean space with imaginary radius and imaginary timelike coordinate. Parallel transport of polarization vectors along such sphere gives rise to Thomas precession, which is analogous to the rotation of the swing plane of Foucault pendulum due to parallel transport along a sphere S2 in 3-dimensional Euclidean space.[14]

    In physics, the evolution of such systems is determined by geometric phases.[15][16] Mathematically they are understood through parallel transport.

    Foucault pendulums around the world[edit]
    Further information: List of Foucault pendulums
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    A Foucault pendulum installed at the California Academy of Sciences: The Earth's rotation causes the trajectory of the pendulum to change over time, knocking down pins at different positions as time elapses and the Earth rotates
    Numerous Foucault pendulums are installed around the world, mainly at universities, science museums, and planetariums. The United Nationsheadquarters in New York City has one, while the largest Foucault pendulum in the world, Principia, is housed at the Oregon Convention Center.[17][18]

    South Pole[edit]

    The experiment has also been carried out at the South Pole, where it was assumed that the rotation of the earth would have maximum effect. The South Pole Pendulum Project (as discussed in The New York Times[19] and excerpted from Seven Tales of the Pendulum[20]) was constructed and tested by adventurous experimenters John Bird, Jennifer McCallum, Michael Town, and Alan Baker at the Amundsen–Scott South Pole Station. Their measurement is probably the closest ever made to one of the earth's poles. The pendulum was erected in a six-story staircase of a new station that was under construction near the pole. Conditions were challenging; the altitude was about 3,300 m (atmospheric pressure only about 65% that at sea level) and the temperature in the unheated staircase was about −68 °C (−90 °F). The pendulum had a length of 33 m and the bob weighed 25 kg. The new station offered an ideal venue for the Foucault pendulum; its height ensured an accurate result, no moving air could disturb it, and low air pressure reduced air resistance. The researchers confirmed about 24 hours as the rotation period of the plane of oscillation.
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    A Foucault pendulum installed at the California Academy of Sciences: The Earth's rotation causes the trajectory of the pendulum to change over time, knocking down pins at different positions as time elapses and the Earth rotates.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foucault_pendulum
     
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    Ur killing me here. The physics are just wrong. Now Joking stipulated that there was an evo or something effect and bless my heart I countered with a 'I can shoot something coming at me from the west and use less powder because the earth is rotating towards me if I am east of said soon to be dead thing,' and U just blew that diminished gravity thing out of the water,,,,,..... shit! I think I need to fortify my self with tequila...f the wifkey.
     
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    Yea, I've seen one of these at a Planetarium once. They are very cool. Something obviously causes them to slowly knock the pins down.
    ...and great post. Too bad it'll likely be summarily dismissed by those who most need to read it.


    No I didn't. All I did was to try to impart unto you a bit of proven knowledge. It's not as though I discovered the phenomena in question.
     
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    In 1980 I walked, portaged,drove and rowed a boat round the world, took several years. I can state the earth is round.
     
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    Yeah right. Go ahead cuz you know you cannot prove it. Ummm? You do know that there is a reason women cannot drive backwards....K, was gona say that they can't back up but we all know that is wrong and the thought would derail the thread....OOpsie darn it's out there anyway.:finished 2:
     
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    Earth does appear to be round. What it does not appear to be is a sphere that's 24,901 miles in circumference. People that believe in the globular model invent lots of fancy "proofs", what they don't do is demonstrate where all the curvature that makes Earth a spheroid 7917 miles in diameter is located. If Earth is a spheroid with those dimensions then how is Lebanon, Kansas @ only 1844 feet above sea level the geographic center of the Continental United States? That makes zero sense if you lay America on a giant pear rock. The curvature of this alleged spheroid should be obvious, but it's not. This becomes apparent when people are filming ships at 20 nautical miles when they should be hidden behind a wall of curved water.
     
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    There is big evidence out there for all theories. If one looks into each case with an open mind. My belief system and ego could not even remotely entertain this idea for quite some time. I am starting to believe that FE and what we are told is both a lie. Why doesn't NASA just show us some unedited pictures already? I want to see a live feed from a satelite that shows the earth, the curve and then slowly zooms in on the underside of the earth until you can see a ship sailing upside down on the water. I am sure I will be attacked for this post. but I have no fucks to give.
     
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    Look it's the man in the Sahara. Yepers things like this happen when you take a snapshot which captures a reflection.
     
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    NASA is nothing other than a huge fraud, likely created solely to perpetuate the biggest lie in human history. Look into the history of Operation High Jump, Operation Deep Freeze, and Operation Fish Bowl. NASA was created after Deep Freeze, then immediately the Antarctic Treaty was signed by 12 nations(1959) and stands to this very day, though the number of nations signing on is now at 53. What's going on down there? What are they hiding? Why right after the signing of the treaty did both the US and Soviet Union begin high altitude Nuclear tests(Operation Fish Bowl)?

    Like you, I don't care any more what people think. I'm tired of complicated explanations for obvious issues with the globular model and blindly accepting as fact that which cannot be reproduced. Newtonian/Einsteinian gravity is garbage science. There's no evidence that all mass attracts all mass or that it does so at infinite speed. Neither does Einstein's ridiculous theory of special/general relativity hold any merit whilst the equivalence principle vs time dilation paradox remains unaddressed.

    Yet, despite the complete lack of scientific evidence to support gravity, it's the excuse given to explain away nearly every anomaly we see. The Earth's atmo-"sphere" is allegedly surrounded by the zero/negative pressure vacuum of space/time with nothing betwixt them. Yeah right...cuz that happens in nature...NEVER. We're all expected to just dismiss our own common sense and accept as fact that the provable law of entropy doesn't apply on planetary scales, yet the only proof of this are cartoons from proven liars at NASA, ESA, JAXA, RASA. Enough with the lies and CGI space fakery already.

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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Highjump
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Deep_Freeze
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Fishbowl
    http://www.ats.aq/e/ats.htm
     
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    Mr. S,
    Just for the record NOBODY knows WTF is going on in their own bodies let alone the Cosmic Body.If the evidence examined so far doesn't satisfy you, please go out and explore and get us some of those answers yourself. Otherwise the farking horse is beyond dead.
     
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    So we should just accept the word of known liars? No thank you. There are many answers that can be had right here. If Earth is a giant pear rock traveling at 1,800,000 while spinning on an axis at 1037 mph AND twisting and turning through space/time, why is there zero evidence to support such madness? Why do humans feel nothing of these many motions? This model is absurd.

    The easiest to debunk of course is that Earth has curves consistent with a spheroid that's 24,901 miles in circumference. It does not. This myth is being destroyed not by governments and their many liars, but by simple folks just using increasingly inexpensive technology and applying a little bit of common sense. I took this image of Luna last evening, not with a telescope, but with a $350 superzoom hand held camera set to "auto". This object is allegedly 238,900 miles away. Gimme a freaking break.


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    If you're okay with these ridiculous attempts to answer the questions we all have about our reality, then good on you, I'll not think less of you for it, but I'm sick of these nonsensical excuses for explanations. Graviton unicorns, relativity gibberish, gravitational "waves" in what used to be called the vacuum of space. GTFO of here with that crap "science". Look at this! Some guys with a telescope allegedly spotted some black holes sexing one another up...4.4 SEPTILLION miles away. This stuff is sci-fi nonsense.

    http://www.newsweek.com/supermassive-black-holes-merging-orbiting-first-time-629587
     
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    How do you know there are other planets...and that they are round?
     
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    That is CGI.
     
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    They're round. The question is, are they spherical. According to NASA, *THIS* is the dark side of the moon.

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    I frankly find their cartoons to be for entertainment purposes only, but ymmv.
     
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    Yup, that is more CGI. Compare that to the teenie tiny photo of earth supposedly taken by astronots on the moon...the earth should have been massive.

    The moon landing was absolutely 100% bullshit and so are all these CGI images of earth.

    The truth is no human has ever been into outspace and lived to tell about it. To this day NASA still can't send anyone beyond low Earth orbit. FACT!
     
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    Like just look on the Internets, duh!
    Confucius say, "You ask good question!"
     
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    Pink Floyd notwithstanding, there's no such thing as a "dark side of the Moon" nor has NASA ever said there was.
    ...but you sayin' they said it makes it so, huh?
     

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