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  1. Gold Rush

    Gold Rush Gold Member Gold Chaser

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    Not sure if this has ever been posted here before, but a friend sent me a link to this video..thought I would post it and see everyone's opion..I agree with the home owner, and I think he used alot of restraint..if it had been me, not sure I would have been as nice, deputy or not to reintroduce her to the edge of my property line:mad:
     
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    DodgebyDave Metal Messiah Midas Member

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    With the new "right to resist law" you won't be seeing that anymore. Last week Marion County issued the edict that officers serving warrants will wear uniforms and not be in civilian clothes.
     
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    Nickelless If coffee is gold, I own Fort Knox Midas Member

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    Smart move on Marion County's part. I hope officers in general use common sense so they don't get shot.

    It sounds like the guy who filmed this video knows the law. Good for him.
     
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    DodgebyDave Metal Messiah Midas Member

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    I have been a couple of rounds with this crew meself. They ain't that tough. You can use their own stuff against them and they squeal like boiling lobster when you do.
     
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    Gold Rush Gold Member Gold Chaser

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    Have you read the wording on that new law? Senate Bill 0001
    2012 Second Regular Session


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    DIGEST OF SB 1 (Updated March 9, 2012 11:49 pm - DI 106)
    Self defense. Specifies that a person may use reasonable force against any other person in certain circumstances. Provides that a person is justified in using reasonable force against a public servant if the person reasonably believes the force is necessary to: (1) protect the person or a third person from unlawful force; (2) prevent or terminate the public servant's unlawful entry into the person's dwelling; or (3) prevent or terminate the public servant's criminal interference with property lawfully in the person's possession. Specifies that a person is not justified in using force against a public servant if: (1) the person is committing or is escaping after the commission of a crime; (2) the person provokes action by the public servant with intent to injure the public servant; (3) the person has entered into combat with the public servant or is the initial aggressor; or (4) the person reasonably believes the public servant is acting lawfully or is engaged in the lawful execution of the public servant's official duties. Provides that a person is not justified in using deadly force against a public servant whom the person knows or reasonably should know is a public servant unless: (1) the person reasonably believes that the public servant is acting unlawfully or is not engaged in the execution of the public servant's official duties; and (2) the force is reasonably necessary to prevent serious bodily injury to the person or a third person........... It seems to me, the way that new law is written is,if you make a move to say hey you can't do this or that..all bets are off, because now the officer can say he believed you were making a threating move or you were the initial aggressor????
     
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    DodgebyDave Metal Messiah Midas Member

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    That's a great point GR, the law isn't worded for squat. Lawyers giving other lawyers words to play with.
     
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    Gold Rush Gold Member Gold Chaser

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    when I seen Daniels had signed it, I was troubled by his and Owensby comments and decided to take a closer look at the new law.....

    "Contrary to some impressions, the bill strengthens the protection of Indiana law enforcement officers by narrowing the situations in which someone would be justified in using force against them," Daniels said in a written statement. But, he added: "What is troubling to law enforcement officers, and to me, is the chance that citizens hearing reports of change will misunderstand what the law says."



    "For those who don''t take the time to read the law, it is going to be devastating for someone to think they have a right to resist if they only think an officer is acting illegally," said William Owensby, president of the Indianapolis chapter of the Fraternal Order of Police..
     
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    GOLD DUCK Mother Lode Found Mother Lode

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    QWAK,I ran an independent APRASER that works for the county off my property last spring when he wanted to check my cabin for future TAX purposes.

    I told him NOT to come back inless he has a paper that stated the LAW that autherised him being here and exactly how the VALUE of the property would be established.:idea:

    I told him IF he did he MAY get shot in the FOOT as I don't want to kill any one but would be OK with making some one LIMP for a long time!:thumbs_up::banana:

    I did the same thing about 15 years back and the county DOUBELED my TAXES but later lost in court and had to rebate the excess tax $$$ back to me and all the others they tried to STEAM ROLL! :thumbs_up:

    People get SOoooooooooooo full of them selves when given a little authority it is AMASING --- like a BALOON or a PIMPLE that needs POPING!:idea:

    the DUCK :s9:
     
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    Bingo! The media has been more than complicit in spreading disinformation. If I didn't know better I would suspect there was a plan.......

    1) The Indiana Supreme court ruled in a pretty cut and dried case that "individuals don't have a right to resist the police under any circumstances, there is avenue for civil recourse under the law" (or some such worded BS as this)

    2) The press eats it up and short strokes the message boards

    3) Outcry causes the Supreme Court to revisit it's ruling.

    4) Guys in suits say harumph a lot and pass a poorly worded law

    5) Idiots celebrate rather than research.

    IIRC one of the main points behind the hoohaa was "there isn't a legal precedent and we don't know what to do".

    :bull1:

    A) The original matter. A guy is drunk and gets confronted by a cop, acts like an ass then runs inside and expects some kind of immunity. You pull that crap and you'll lose every time.

    B) There is already sufficient legal precedent in the matter of Sanders v Indiana

    (Neighbor calls that dog is loose, cop shows up, dog is a punting dog that has already been caught, part of an ongoing neighbor feud, Sanders says that Faber was belligerent, asks cop if he's under arrest, cop says no, Sanders goes in his house, cops break in, Sanders shoots cops and gets shot/beat up. No tasers or pepper spray back then.)

    Now then, from that point on the Sanders case gets surreal. much legal maneuvering went on. Again, iirc, in the end the Supreme Court ruled that Sanders was well within his rights.

    Regardless, the city settled out of court for an undisclosed amount.

    Matt Faber died.

    Sanders was shot, beat up, spent right around 5 years in the State Pen at Michigan City before finally getting justice.

    http://advanceindiana.blogspot.com/2011/05/barnes-v-state-echoes-of-fred-sanders.html

    I smell a smell.
     
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    QWAK,Most people can NOT tell the diference between RESPECT and INTIMIDATION :hmmmm2:-- it works the same for COPS and other GANGS like the HELLS ANGLES!:idea: Just diferent kinds of UNIFORMS!:ahhhhh::afraid::secruity:

    the DUCK:s9:
     
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    Don't know the facts from the video, but I am going to surmize (which gets everyone in trouble I know) but I figure that the guy is putting in waste.sewer drain lines from his trailer and wants to avoid the costs of a functional septic system. Probably wants his crap top flow down hill onto someone else's property. Neighbor or adjacent property owner probably found this out confronted the man and got in a big argument over the issue and ultimately decided to get the county health dept involved. Thus we have this silly you tube video.

    The guy is a pansy. Got busted on tape saying he was fearful of a 110 lbs woman with a clip board. Pick your battles wisely cause you just put a target on your forehead.
     
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    QWAK,Rusty Shackelford,If a BEAR can S**T in the woods with out a LICENCE or INSPECTION by the local GOVERNMENT then why do PEOPLE allow them selves to be subjected to just another form of REVENUE INHANSMENT?:hmmmm2:

    Granted IF there were 50 people using his toilet it could (?) posably become a public health issue BUT untill it DOES and there IS a valid cause of action it is just a PISSING CONTEST!:idea::thumbs_down:

    the DUCK :s9:
     
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    Make sure you have a fence and a gate!!! No trespassing signs coupled with a gate/fence give you the same protection as your front door.

    This was the guys problem!!
     
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    This is why a perimeter needs to be established (fence with locked gate) and a viscous dog would have helped with the enforcement of that perimeter
     
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    on one hand I agree DUCK, but in my example I was referring to transferring his waste/pollution onto someone elses property. Not sure if that was what was actually going on, just pure speculation. but if that is the case, then what about the property rights of the neighbor???
     
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    QWAK,Rusty Shackelford,IF and WHEN it happens THEN the neighbor has a cause of action and IF damage has been done he can be heald accountable!:thumbs_up:

    We have too many ruels imposing on us NOW just because some FOOL scewred up so every one else MUST be FORCED to NOT DO what they would NOT have done any way -- I think we call it BUROCRACY! :hmmmm2:

    the DUCK :s9:
     

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