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Guns Have No Defensive Use According To CA Police Chief Ken James

Discussion in 'Firearms' started by searcher, Feb 14, 2013.



  1. searcher

    searcher Mother Lode Found Site Supporter ++ Mother Lode

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    According to CA police chief Ken James guns are not for defensive use. Personally I think james is a bit of an idiot.

    [video=youtube_share;eYmDEIH4H3A]http://youtu.be/eYmDEIH4H3A[/video]


    Published on Feb 9, 2013


    "Emeryville, CA Police Chief Ken James claims it is a myth that guns have a defensive purpose. He says that "Police Officers do not carry a gun as a defensive weapon" and, further, explicitly states that they are carried by officers for offensive use only -- that they use them "to intimidate and to show power."

    Does anybody else find this frightening? My personal thoughts on police officers, civilians, and weapons in the context of this are as follows:

    One cannot claim that patrol officers have a reason to carry weapons that civilians do not. Officers do not operate in a theater of war. Notwithstanding what Chief James said (something I have NEVER heard a police officer claim before), patrol officers carry weapons for defensive purposes only; to protect themselves from the exact same criminal elements that the citizens need to protect themselves from. Nothing a patrol officer encounters on the street is different in any way from what we may encounter on the street or breaking into our homes. If an AR-15 is suitable for an officer to use in their defense and in the defense of innocents, it is suitable for a civilian to own and use. In fact, the weapons, magazines, and ammunition carried by police should serve as a PRIME example of exactly what weapons should be owned by civilians. Much thought and testing has gone into the choice of sidearms, long guns, and ancillary parts (mags, ammunition, etc) for police use to maximize both efficacy and safety (for example, hollow point bullets that do not over-penetrate).

    Bottom line: if it is deemed necessary for a police officer to have a pistol with a 17-round capacity to defend him/herself, then me, a citizen without the benefit of backup or body armor, most definitely should enjoy that same option to protect my home and family from the exact same criminals the police face.

    Many claim that the ONLY purpose of "high capacity" magazines and AR-15-style rifles is to kill as many people as possible as quickly as possible. Is that, then, why the Police have them? Maybe Chief James would say yes!

    The Supreme Court's Heller decision, which cited previous Supreme Court decisions, stated that the Second Amendment specifically protects firearms that are "in common use," and that are suitable for militia use. Again, our police departments serve as an ideal example for the types of weapons and related parts that are protected for ownership by "the people" under either or both of these qualifiers. Nearly every department in the country issues or provides access to AR-15-style rifles with their standard-capacity 30-round magazines for use by Patrol Officers. They have been the most popular style of rifles purchased by civilians in the U.S., by a huge margin, for many years running. The number currently in private hands in the U.S. is approaching 4 million. They DEFINE "in common use." They DEFINE "suitable for militia use." So, too, do semi-automatic pistols with their standard-capacity magazines ranging from 12 to 19 rounds. Pistols like these have been outselling revolvers by a massive margin for decades, and practically no police department in the country issues or even allows officers to carry revolvers. Again, as the public must defend themselves, their families, and their homes without the benefit of backup and body armor, yet face the exact same types of threats that officers do, it makes PERFECT sense that any firearms and ancillary accessories that the police are allowed to carry should also be allowed for civilian ownership and use. Heck, considering what Newsweek said -- that law-abiding American citizens using guns in self-defense during 2003 shot and killed two and one-half times as many criminals as police did, and did so with fewer than one-fifth as many incidents as police where an innocent person was mistakenly identified as a criminal (2% versus 11%) -- maybe citizens aren't the ones who need to be restricted."
     
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  2. searcher

    searcher Mother Lode Found Site Supporter ++ Mother Lode

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    Here's Colion Noir's response to the statement made by Ken James:

    [video=youtube_share;iBi7OeAohok]http://youtu.be/iBi7OeAohok[/video]
     
  3. GOLD DUCK

    GOLD DUCK Mother Lode Found Mother Lode

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    QWAK,If COWS had GUNS and knew how to use them we would NOT be eating WAPPERS and Big Macks!:thumbs_down::eating::ban-cha::banana:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQMbXvn2RNI

    If Chief Ken James and Obama get what they want there will be FREE "SOILENT GREEN" Whoppers and Big Macks for every one --- FREE TOCCOS too!:thumbs_up::eating::ban-cha::banana:

    the DUCK :s9:
     
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    Why do these muppets always have a dozen people standing behind them when they give a speech.
     
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    GOLD DUCK Mother Lode Found Mother Lode

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    QWAK,Mr Paradise,The answer is obvious yet oblivious at the same moment:idea::hmmmm2: --- to stand ALONE and speak TRUTH takes great COURAGE :thumbs_up::23_28_100s: but to stand and tell LIES requires lots of SUPORT from others who suport LIERS because they PROFIT in doing it!:thumbs_down::cry_smile:

    To a DUCK it is OBVIOUS!:cheerful::thumbs_up: ---- if you are handing out free stuff there will be lots of followers -- as long as the free stuff keep coming!:thumbs_down::realmad:

    the DUCK :s9:
     
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    They're not people, they're bobble heads. Hey they even had one of Gen. Glenn Beck in the back row.
     
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    gringott Killed then Resurrected Midas Member Site Supporter

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    Translation:

    Serfs don't get weapons. Lay down and submit, plebe.
     
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    Police carry off duty for self protection.
     
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  9. Ebie

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    You can't have a gun outside your home in Emeryville, so, what is he talking about?
    Any guns that his officers see are illegal guns.
    The sheriff of Alameda County only gives CCWs to VIPs.
    If he wants to be democratic and give CCWs to nobody, even VIPs then maybe...
     
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    Well, if they arent for defensive purposes, that only leaves 2 other alternatives...

    Decorative purposes - like tie clips or cuff links...or

    Offensive purposes.

    Now it makes sense. Police nowadays only think in terms of offensive behavior.

    It is said that dishonest people tend to think everyone else is dishonest too.

    People that are offensive probably think everyone else is offensive too.
     
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    Interesting vid. How in the world did you find this?????
     
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    QWAK,searcher,It has been around a long time, there are several U TUBE versions.:cheerful::ban-cha::banana:

    It is barn yard stuff :ban-cha::banana:

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  13. Treetop

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    According to CA police chief Ken James guns are not for defensive use.

    With literally countless examples of firearms being used in self defense, and more examples daily... I wonder if Chief James realizes or even cares how much credibility he lost with that inane statement? Tt.
     
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    budfox I have become comfortably numb... Midas Member

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    Well let Mr Ken James and his thugs carry billy clubs then...

    Should have someone home invasion his family and see what he says.

    What a Fuc'n tool. Tell him to keep his gun locked up at the PD when he goes home at night.
     
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    searcher Mother Lode Found Site Supporter ++ Mother Lode

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    It gave me a good laugh. Sent it to a few friends. Thanks. Have a good night.
     
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    I can't believe a police CHIEF said that. To openly lie on camera like that shows true ignorance, or the selling of an agenda.

    A gun is an offensive weapon for the criminals. A gun is a defensive weapon for responsible gun owners, citizens, and the police. 7 months of police training, full time, every day, they trained us that everyone is trying to kill you, and to use your gun to either protect and defend your life, or the lives of the people you swore to serve.

    Every time a gun is drawn in the line of duty, a use of force case is opened and documented. To justify drawing a gun, the situation must be in a defensive nature, to protect and defend lives.

    The only way to stop a criminal with a gun, is to use a gun to defend yourself. Bottom line.
     
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    QWAK,searcher,Glad you injoyed it :thumbs_up::cheerful:

    Actualy it was vegitarian comidy music :cheerful:

    Here is some back ground on the auther and he does some of his other songs.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ataGXq2ayY

    the DUCK:s9:
     
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    I'm curious, do police officers have to take an oath? If so, I'd be curious to know how it reads.
     
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    Perhaps this Chief added a few things to the oath....

    "I swear to use my gun to intimidate and show power"

    "I swear to use my gun on the public for offensive purposes only."
     
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    Precisely and now may we introduce new select-fire handguns to be issued to all Emeryville officers (current dept. handguns to be traded in to offset dept. costs) :

    243514d1332398669-8-year-old-boy-dies-uzi-uzi.jpg
     
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    I'd like to hear testimony from just ONE LEO who gives a damn about ANY oath they've taken.:mad:

    sigh...what, me cynical?
    R.
     
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    Exactly...and why stop with handguns. The new Emeryville police patrol car...

    tank.jpg

    Way to go Chief James!
     
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    I totally agree! In fact I would go one step further. Take his gun away. I don't want police with offensive only weapons.
     
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    This is news to me. I had no idea a gun couldnt b used for defense.....
    Guess ill sell mine and buy some shields or something.
    This lying arsehole makes me want to friggn Puke.:thumbs_down:
     
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    lol at buy some shields or something. :bear_laugh:
     

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