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How Angry Will You Be If The Republicans In Congress Do Not Repeal Obamacare?

Discussion in 'Politics Forum (Local/National/World)' started by Scorpio, Feb 28, 2017.



  1. Scorpio

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    How Angry Will You Be If The Republicans In Congress Do Not Repeal Obamacare?
    Michael Snyder

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    Top Republicans are now publicly saying that Obamacare will never be fully repealed. In fact, many Republicans in Congress are already using the term “repair” instead of “repeal” to describe what is going to happen to Barack Obama’s signature healthcare law. Without a doubt, the Republicans in Congress are eventually going to do something, but strategists in both parties are now suggesting that most of the key elements of Obamacare are going to remain once everything is all said and done. It will be put into a more “conservative” package, but it will still be Obamacare.

    On Thursday, former House Speaker John Boehner made headlines all over the country when he said that a complete repeal of Obamacare is “not what’s going to happen”. Instead, Boehner said that Republicans are going to “fix Obamacare” and that they will “put a more conservative box around it” in order to keep their constituents happy.

    Of course this isn’t what we voted for. For years, Republican politicians all across the country have been promising that Obamacare would be repealed once they got control of Congress, but now Boehner is telling us that all of that was just “happy talk”

    Earlier in the panel discussion, Boehner said he “started laughing” when Republicans started talking about moving lightning fast on repeal and then coming up with an alternative.

    “In the 25 years that I served in the United States Congress, Republicans never, ever, one time agreed on what a health care proposal should look like. Not once,” Boehner said. “And all this happy talk that went on in November and December and January about repeal, repeal, repeal—yeah, we’ll do replace, replace—I started laughing, because if you pass repeal without replace, first, anything that happens is your fault. You broke it.”

    When the Republicans finally get around to doing something, they will inevitably declare it to be a great victory, but will it actually be that much different from what we have now?

    Yes, the IRS penalty for not having health insurance will probably go. But there will still be coverage for children up to the age of 26, there will still be mandatory coverage for preexisting conditions, there will still be mandatory coverage for maternity expenses, there will still be some form of Medicaid expansion and there will still be subsidies for the poor.

    In the end, we are still going to have a healthcare system where half the country pays for the healthcare for the other half of the country.

    That isn’t fair, and it never will be. One half of the country shouldn’t have to pay much higher rates for their own health insurance and also pay for the healthcare of everyone else in the nation as well. Either we should go back to a free market system, or they might as well go ahead and socialize the entire thing.

    The thought of sticking with what we have right now is utter insanity, but unfortunately that is what top Republicans mean when they speak of “repairing” Obamacare. The following comes from the New York Times

    “When you talk about ‘repeal,’ you have just used a word that is very polarizing,” said Representative Tom MacArthur, Republican of New Jersey, who meets weekly with moderate Republicans and Democrats of equal number. “When you go to Democrats and say, ‘Help us repeal,’ that puts them in a box. If you say, ‘Would you help us repair something?’ people start listening in a whole other way.”

    How in the world do you “repair” a steaming pile of garbage?

    I just don’t understand.

    What the Republicans need to do is very simple. As Jim Demint has suggested, the Republicans in Congress simply need to pass the same Obamacare repeal that Barack Obama vetoed not too long ago…

    Heritage Foundation President Jim DeMint, the former South Carolina Republican senator, called on activists attending the Conservative Political Action Conference to push their members of Congress to send to President Donald Trump the same legislation that dismantled the law and was vetoed by President Barack Obama with all due haste.

    “We must and we can repeal Obamacare now,” DeMint said. “They should send that same bill to President Trump right now.”

    So what is keeping Republicans in Congress from moving forward?

    One thing is the defunding of Planned Parenthood. Some liberal Republicans are promising to vote against any Obamacare repeal bill that defunds Planned Parenthood

    Sen. Lisa Murkowski (R-Alaska) says she will not vote for an ObamaCare repeal bill that defunds Planned Parenthood.

    In her address to Alaska’s state legislature Wednesday, the moderate Republican offered her firmest commitment yet that she will not support defunding Planned Parenthood.

    “I, for one, do not believe that Planned Parenthood has any place in our deliberations on the Affordable Care Act,” she said.

    Another thing that is giving some Republicans pause are the angry protesters that they are running into at town hall meetings…

    U.S. Sen. Charles Grassley of Iowa and Reps. Jason Chaffetz of Utah, Marsha Blackburn of Tennessee and Tom McClintock of California are among Republicans who faced hostile audiences at recent town hall meetings.

    This comes after the Women’s March on Washington that drew hundreds of thousands of protestors the day after President Donald Trump’s inauguration.

    “Republicans need to be paying attention and doing their best to understand the energy from the town halls,” said Nathan Gonzales, editor and publisher of Inside Elections, a Washington-based publication that tracks congressional races.

    Of course a lot of those “angry protesters” are from Barack Obama’s private army of more than 30,000 volunteers that are being deployed around the nation in a desperate attempt to defend Obamacare.

    In the end, the truth is that the Republicans should be listening to the voters that sent them to Washington in the first place. Most of those voters expected an immediate Obamacare repeal, and now that it has not happened it is making for a very confusing tax season. The following comes from Politico

    Republicans’ stalled campaign to repeal the Affordable Care Act is sowing confusion among those now trying to do their taxes.

    Many taxpayers believe Republicans have already repealed the law, tax preparers say, and they’re surprised and upset to learn they are still subject to Obamacare’s penalty for failing to have health insurance — a charge that climbed this year to more than $2,000 per family.

    Until it is repealed, Obamacare will continue to kill jobs and will continue to kill the middle class.

    It was one of the worst pieces of legislation ever written, and it boggles the mind that so many Republicans in Congress are hesitant about repealing it.

    Unfortunately, just as I portray in my novel, America is rapidly going crazy.

    We have been given over to a reprobate mind, and our leaders can’t even seem to think straight any longer.

    If Obamacare is going to be repealed, now is the time. Please contact your representatives in Congress and tell them that a “fix” will not work and that we want Obamacare to be completely repealed and replaced with a free market alternative.



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    About the author: Michael Snyder is the founder and publisher of The Economic Collapse Blog and End Of The American Dream. Michael’s controversial new book about Bible prophecy entitled “The Rapture Verdict” is available in paperback and for the Kindle on Amazon.com.*





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  2. Fanakapan

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    Ha, 'Free Market' in Healthcare.

    Face facts guys, this is the 21st century. And like no other time in human history, health problems are going to be mainly confined to a minority of congenital problems, and the problems incurred near the end and as a result of extending lifespans.

    Basically ya cant apply the rules of a 'Market' to something that folks will only want when they are in danger of losing the only thing they have that is of any consequence, ie, their lives.

    So, socialise the damn thing ! Have folk pay on some consumption tax, some trivial amount, that funds a National Healthcare Scheme. Sure you can retain a pay for service setup for those who can afford it, to give the illusion of getting a better service for trivial crap.

    Whaaaaaaaaa, I can hear it now, the complaints of guys who say they dont want to pay for what they dont use. But the plain fact is anybody who says that, is a Bullsh1tter. We'll all use it in the end, and for the most part, its the end that racks up the big bills.

    As far as I can see, the biggest hurdle to implementing a 'First World' healthcare setup in the USA, would be detaching the parasite bustards of the insurance companies, and the money sucking leech that is the pharmaceutical industry in the US. They will be aided by a chorus of those who will chime in with apocryphal visions of how a nationally organised healthcare system results in folk with life threatening complaints having to wait. The truth is there is No healthcare service in the first world where you will wait for extended periods if you have a 'Serious' condition. If on the other hand you have what could be termed a lifestyle complaint, you will wait, but would still have the option of going to the private sector who will gladly take your money for the same or a worse level of care :)
     
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    I agree 100%.

    Why should people who beg other people to elect them into political office have good insurance (paid for by the very people who put them into office) while the peeps who actually put them into office either pay through the nose for insurance, have dog crap insurance or go with out insurance.

    As far as I'm concerned.............the parasitic leeches in office are no better than the people who put them there. Everyone in this country, from the prez to a poor homeless soul and everyone in between, should have the same exact health coverage. Period. It should be paid for from taxes. End of story.

    And while I'm on my soap box (lol) I also think everyone should have the same exact government sponsored retirement plan. From the prez on down.

    What's good for the goose is good for the gander. If it is good enough for us then it is good enough for the begging pieces of crap who want to make a living as professional politicians.
     
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    And that is why it'll never happen. Rank has its privilege spoiled the game again.
     
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    Yeah............unfortunately it does.

    Dontcha just love how "they" send skid loads of $$$ to the middle east, play both sides against the middle and then shit on their fellow Americans? All the while proclaiming they care about their constituents.

    I often wonder if anyone in Washington has any moral scruples at all? Do they feel any loyalty to this country? Or are they so morally bankrupt that they only care about power and money?

    Have we been sold so far down the drain that there is no coming back?
     
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    The vast majority of republicans in congress and the senate, along with living republican ex presidents, congressmen and senators should be turned over to ISIS.

    EDIT: If they are dead a public pit toilet should be installed over their graves.

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    TAEZZAR LADY JUSTICE ISNT BLIND, SHES JUST AFRAID TO WATCH Midas Member Site Supporter

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    Irons, why didn't you include the rest of the club ?? Demonrats, after all, they are all members of one club with two identities !!
    Poli = many
    tics = blood sucking insects

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    Works for me..................:beer:
     
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    They'll see how mad their constituents are at mid terms. And again in 2020 elections. May be a good time for a second wave from the tea party
     
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    Time for new parties. It's that simple.
     
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    TAEZZAR LADY JUSTICE ISNT BLIND, SHES JUST AFRAID TO WATCH Midas Member Site Supporter

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    Deen, I agree, but I take it a bit farther. It's long past time for a real 2 or 3 party system that has candidates, that ARE NOT PRECHOSEN BY THE INSIDERS!
     
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    Mujahideen Black Member Midas Member

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    Local parties
     
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    Frankly I think they should let it go and implode itself, dems voted and own the disaster. Let the rates go up 100x over fk em
     
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    TAEZZAR LADY JUSTICE ISNT BLIND, SHES JUST AFRAID TO WATCH Midas Member Site Supporter

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    Good thought !!!
     
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    I say bring back Wesson Oil Parties!
     
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    Candidates who espouse conservative constitutional values and adhere to them would suit me fine. Call em watcha want
     
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    Crisco parties were the best.
     
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    Its a matter of perspective.

    Why not look at the Health of the nation, (any nation) in the same terms as one looks at the defence of the nation ?

    For the healthcare setup in the USA to be the running sore that it is, in this day and age, is beyond Bizzare.
     
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    I can strongly disagree with somebody and not wish them any harm. Fair is fair. I haven't voted for a democrat in prolly 30 years.

    What many in the republican party have done and continue to do is flat out betrayal. People in power who intentionally set out to mislead other people with lies in order to gain their trust and keep power for themselves are among the lowest form of humans on earth. Democrats tell us what they are going to do and to our horror they do it. Republicans tell us they are going to stop them and they don't even try.
    People who disagree with me are fine. I would like to send people who betray me through a wood chipper feet first. . . aathroat-cut.gif

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    Irons, I can't accept the b.s, of the left over the equal betrayal of the right, as I have indicated they are a cabal that have a common agenda.
    Only a quick example from the left.
    If you like your doctor, your insurance, you can keep them !
    Your insurance will not increase !
    More Obombya lies:

    “90 percent of the budget deficit is due to George W. Bush’s policies”
    “We have not had a major scandal in my administration.”
    “Let me say this as plainly as I can: by Aug. 31, 2010, our combat mission in Iraq will end.”
    AND the anti-American group he has amassed to defeat President Trump.
    The left is every bit our enemy as are the republicrats.

    Is that not a betrayal ?
    Another thought, possibly Ryan, Boner, Rubio... & the rest are not republicans, in all reality, they are infiltraitors (spelling on purpose) from the left.
    The left are deceitful cretins.

    be·tray·al
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    noun: betrayal; plural noun: betrayals
    1. the action of betraying one's country, a group, or a person; treachery.
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      synonyms: disloyalty, treachery, bad faith, faithlessness, falseness, duplicity, deception, double-dealing; More
      breach of faith, breach of trust, stab in the back;
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    Laugh out loud, the peons have gotten a taste of health care, are you going to tell them "Go back to dying quietly in the gutters"?
     
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    They don't have to die in the gutter man. They can get a fucking job and pay for their own way like the other 50%.
    If they don't want to work hard and act like an adult they are most welcome to die in a gutter, I will even contribute some dirty mexican heroin to speed them along.

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    Irons, what are you doing with "dirty mexican heroin". :rotf:
     
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    I would get some if it would help some losers get off welfare! . . :2 thumbs up:
     
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    You can't take candy from a baby nor can you take free stuff from the FSA. Personally I wish they would do nothing with it so a large majority of the people will remember what Obama and his crowd imposed upon the public. Sort of like LBJs comments regarding the blacks voting for Democrats in reverse. I am not pushing for the Republicans either but rather people that vote for a person that thinks Government is the answer to all problems.
     
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    Most of the people on Obamacare, now Trumpettcare, have poorly paying jobs, I have a crappy government job so I get cheap insurance that I know I don't pay full cost. Would you tell Israel and the rest of the freeloading countries that America is broke and can't afford foreign aide while you're at it....
     
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    Hell, I would have done that first. Second I would pull all of our overseas military bases and brought everybody home.
    Fuck with a capital F the rest of the world. Got a problem call France.

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    Respect all of the opinions above. Zerobamacare was a TAX as ruled by the supreme court. Zerobamacare costed millions of workers hours, benefits, and full-time, good paying jobs that were slashed to 27.5 hour per week jobs with no benefits, much to the benefit of lobbyists and insurance companies who wrote the bill.

    Pelosi said "We need to pass this bill to find out what's in it." All of the Democraps voted for it, as did enough Republiturds to pass the bill.

    To answer the OP, I will be HIGHLY DISAPPOINTED if Zerobamacare is not repealed and replaced with a better system that benefits Americans. If it is not, that is more evidence that the Republiturds continue their duplicity and impotence. With few exceptions, the uniparty, one world global government rolls on unless we take a final stand. Good luck out there folks.
     
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    Dying in the gutters,lol strawman argument. Obamacare aint about care more about Obama
     
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    Thats a passive acceptance of the healthcare setup in the USA as it stands today, will all of its well documented gouging and assorted jiggery pokery.

    What makes healthcare provision any different from the provision of schooling by the state ? I dont see many folk arguing against compulsory education to a certain level, for which the recipients must be paying for the rest of their earning years, albeit almost invisibly. viewed in comparison with basic education, it seems remarkable that folk still are able to see something that is maybe even more fundamental to modern life as being a commodity.

    The argument that 'They can get a Job' dont cut it, for the simple reason that it dont matter how indigent a person is, they will, should the need arise, get some treatment which will be paid for by the taxpayer. So those paying health insurance are effectively paying not only for the pricing antics of Albanian hucksters, and the daughters of West Virginia Nabobs, but also for the treatments given to those who simply cant pay. It also carries the implication that those who are paying exorbitant amounts for coverage are happy with the Most Expensive healthcare system in the world, that despite being Top Dollar only manages to get 39th place in the world in terms of outcomes.

    Its not an argument about bums and wasters vs those who are responsible, its more about how the USA, some 60 years on from when the last first world nations came into line on healthcare provision, still manages to persuade a significant majority of its citizens that the provision of healthcare is best left to groups who are intent on ripping off their customers, whilst those who are paying think that its all the fault of said bums and wasters, and that things would be OK if only everybody could go back to paying cash.

    Having said all that, if the repeal of Obamacare is going to be akin to the John Hurt scenario in the first Alien film, then separating the Insurance and Pharmaceutical interests, or rather reining them into becoming ethical business's as opposed to licences to print money, will be almost impossible :)
     
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    The way it is right now is America foots the costs of all research and development so you folks, canada and india can get cheap drugs and treatments. It happened that way because we have had nothing but shit leaders. When that problem is fixed you will pay more and we will finally pay way less. Fair market for all will level out the costs worldwide.
    Bananacare was never about health care it was about control.

    Also it's easy to have a socialist healthcare program when you don't have to pay for your own national defense. We are working on fixing that problem too.



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    I doubt that old chestnut about research holds water. Plain fact of the matter is that the Pharma guys are canny lads, they generally pick up research thats had the basics done on the taxpayer dime. Then of course there's the issue of drug patenting, the PharmaCo's have an eye to stuff thats synthetic, patentable, and therefore has the potential to hit the jackpot with folk who are grasping at straws. It is an acknowledged fact that natural substances tend to lack research input from commercial entities simply because any results would be impossible to patent.

    In any event, the most egregious gouging on drug prices of recent times has been on stuff thats been about since at least the 50's, and where Pharma has exploited their muscle to first make it unprofitable for the competition, and then inflated prices when they achieve monopoly, take the example of the Epi Pen recently.

    The gouging could easily be fixed by buying drugs on a National scale, so as to give the buyer some leverage. That is after all what every other developed nation does. I believe President Trump touched on this during the campaign, it'll be interesting to see if he is able to progress the idea.

    As for the linkage to defence spending, and as I've asked elsewhere on GIM, what or who is it that the USA is defending against today ? There seems to be a shortage of credible opponents ? If as may be the case, defence spending has morphed into an elaborate form of make work jobs, and gravy for a few, the you could well argue that by halving defence and still being the biggest spender on the same in the world, the USA could divert the money to making work in healthcare instead of Lockheed flying pigs, and other assorted items that never get used and ultimately go for scrap.

    It may even be the case that the USA has a choice between maintaining a bloated defence regime or attending to the health needs of its citizens ? One in the current state of the world seems to be money down the crapper, whilst the other Might bring progress in some form :)
     
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    Wow, now that was the good ol' days.
    We had a neighbor lady that basted herself like a Christmas Turkey, and had a Jane Mansfield body. The swinging 70s. Now that was a good time!
     
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    Here is an example of the main problem. Break this incestuous BS up and things will improve for all.

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    There it is , in a nutshell ! Hmmmm, Insurance and Pharmaceutical, can anyone say "RICO" ???
     
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    Conspiracy to murder.
    Conspiracy to reduce the surface population.
     
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    Add a third culprit, the Central Bank.
     
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    'Obamacare GONE': Republicans publish their plan to repeal The Affordable Care Act and replace it with tax credits - setting up an epic clash with Democrats
    • Individual mandate and employer mandate would be effectively killed
    • Obamacare's Medicaid expansion also to be phased out
    • New funds for high-risk pools
    • Tax credits for individuals of $2,000 to $4,000 to buy insurance
    • Four GOP senators are digging in against phaseout of Obamacare's Medicaid expansion
    • The bill withholds funding from groups that provide abortions
    • Repeal of limit on deduction on executive pay of over $500,000
    • Nancy Pelosi called the plan 'Make America Sick Again'


    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4287928/U-S-House-Republicans-unveil-bill-repeal-Obamacare.html#ixzz4adUEvas7
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    Including some type of pharmaceutical relief would be nice.
    How about allowing Canadian drugs to be imported?
    Most of our drugs are already made in Mexico and India.
    When I'm over in Delhi or Mumbai I can get almost any drug available for pennies on the dollar.
    They come right off the line of the American subsidiary there.
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    One time I was in Hong Kong.
    My wife had ask me to look into saving some money by buying the thyroid medicine our golden retriever was taking from someone there.
    I brought a piece of paper with the medicines name to a local pharmacy.
    The word, which I can't remember, had something like 26 letters.
    The pharmacist glanced at the note and said he would be back.
    I saw him open a book larger than the Bible and research.
    He comes back a little while later and says, "Not for human, sorry".
     
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    Trumpcare: What Happens Next, In One Chart

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    by Tyler Durden
    Mar 7, 2017 7:36 AM


    Overnight, House republicans released their long-awaited proposed legislation to repeal and replace Obamacare, which many have already dubbed Trumpcare. We laid out some of the key changes and proposed provisions as part of the new law which will now be debated, first in committee as soon as Wednesday, and then will seek the approval of the House and Senate. It is here that things may turn more complicated.

    In terms of next steps, there are five immediate action items that politicians and pundits will focus on, courtesy of Axios:


    • How will the conservative Republicans react? They're the ones who threatened to vote against anything less aggressive than the 2015 repeal bill, which this definitely is. Freedom Caucus chairman Mark Meadows said on Hannity last night that "we're making progress," but other early signs aren't good: Rep. Jim Jordan reportedly doesn't like it, a Republican Study Committee memo calls it a "Republican welfare entitlement," and Rep. Justin Amash tweeted that it was "Obamacare 2.0."
    • Will there be a Medicaid backlash? That looked like a serious danger after four GOP senators from states that expanded Medicaid said they wouldn't support the changes they saw in an early draft. But they softened their tone after a meeting with Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell Monday night, Caitlin Owens reports. "It's moving in the right direction," said West Virginia's Shelley Moore Capito, one of the worried senators.
    • How many people would be covered? Normally, the Congressional Budget Office would tell them that. But not this time — because the committees are plowing ahead without waiting for the cost and coverage estimates.
    • No Congressional Budget Office score? Really? They're going to take a lot of heat from Democrats for that decision — Democrats are already accusing them of trying to hide the likely losses of coverage. The key, though, is how many Republicans are uncomfortable with it too. "That seems problematic." Sen. Bill Cassidy told Caitlin, adding: "I'm trying to be diplomatic."
    • Do they actually know how to pay for it? Here's what House Republicans answer the "how will you pay for it" question in their FAQs: "We are still discussing details, but we are committed to repealing Obamacare and replacing it with fiscally responsible policies that restore the free market and protect taxpayers."
    A bigger picture question is how long will the entire process of repeal and replace take. Conveniently, over the weekend Goldman's Alec Phillips address this issue. Here are this thoughts:


    We think there is a good chance that Congress will resolve the ACA debate in Q2. Activity on the issue will intensify over the next few weeks; House committees may begin to vote on legislation as soon as the week of March 6. This could allow for passage by the full House by late March or early April, if plans remain on track. However, even on that timetable, the Senate is likely to take longer, and the odds that the Senate sends the President a bill prior to the congressional spring recess (April 10-21) seems fairly low. If so, final resolution could be pushed until May, in light of the upcoming debate on the confirmation of Supreme Court Justice nominee Neil Gorsuch and the April 28 expiration of federal spending authority, which will require new spending legislation to avoid a temporary government shutdown.

    That's the best case scenario. Here is the worst-case:

    If Republican leaders cannot send the President an ACA bill by April or May, they will face two politically unpalatable options. First, they could continue to press for a solution, delaying consideration of tax reform for an indefinite period. This delay would occur because both proposals are expected to be considered under the “budget reconciliation” process. However, since only one tax bill and one spending bill can be considered under that process in each budget cycle—and ACA repeal legislation is expected to have tax and spending provisions—Republican leaders plan to consider the ACA bill in the FY2017 budget cycle, and to begin the FY2018 budget cycle, including instructions to pass tax reform, once the ACA bill has passed. A second option would be to postpone ACA legislation and move to tax reform, essentially reneging on a campaign commitment.

    Goldman also notes that beyond the timetable, the ACA debate is a reminder that enacting ambitious structural reforms on a partisan basis is difficult, for two reasons. First, shared accountability allows lawmakers to take greater political risks. Over the last few decades, most of the major fiscal reforms were enacted under divided government, as this allows for shared responsibility: the Social Security amendments in 1983, the Tax Reform Act of 1986, and the various deficit reduction measures of the late 1980s and 1990s all come to mind. Of course, this is not always the case; the ACA passed along party lines in 2010.

    Second, relying on only Republican votes results in a very thin vote margin, particularly in the Senate. Republicans in that chamber have 52 seats, and will need 51 votes (potentially including Vice President Pence’s tie-breaking vote) to pass ACA or tax legislation through the budget reconciliation process. Although this is often sufficient on issues where there are clearly defined differences between the parties, it makes it quite difficult to pass legislation where lawmakers have more idiosyncratic concerns, as is often the case in tax reform.

    As to why a potential Trumpcare slowdown is relevant, the answer is simple: delays would likely lead to substantial delays for the bulk of Trump's proposed economic agenda, putting prompt implementation of his tax reform in jeopardy, as Phillips explains:

    "the slow process on ACA repeal signals that tax reform is likely to take longer than initially expected and that the final tax legislation that Congress enacts is likely to be less radical than the early proposals from House Republicans and the Trump campaign. That said, while tax legislation looks likely to be delayed we expect it to move forward eventually."

    Finally, putting it all together, here is Goldman's chart showing "the long year ahead"

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    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-03-07/trumpcare-what-happens-next-one-chart
     
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