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    The Greene Carbine: Too Tricky for the Cavalry
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    Published on Nov 8, 2017
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    James Greene patented this unusual breechloading carbine design in 1854, and arranged to have it manufactured by the Massachusetts Arms Company of Chicopee Falls. He managed to sell 300 of them to the US military, in .54 caliber and with 22 inch barrels. Field testing was done in 1857, although it was found that they were too awkward for use on horseback, and no further guns were purchased. However, a much larger order was placed by the British military, apparently with the intention of arming the Cape Mounted Rifles.

    The guns ordered by the British, including the one in today’s video, had 18” barrels but were otherwise identical to the American guns. The Greene uses a locking system in which the barrel rotates 90 degrees to lock two large lugs into locking shoulders on the frame of the weapon. A paper or linen cartridge is used, and a tapered needle at the center of the breechblock penetrates the base of the cartridge when the action is closed. This needle channels the fire from the percussion cap (the Maynard tape priming system was licensed and built into the carbines) into the cartridge powder charge.

    The British spent several years testing ammunition for their Greene carbines, but were unable to find a construction method which was light enough to be punctured by the firing needle but also sturdy enough for field use. But the early 1860s a superior Westley-Richards breechloader had been adopted, and the Greene carbines were put into storage in the Tower of London until eventually destroyed or sold - having never seen field use.
     
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    Mauser C96 Broomhandle
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    Springfield 1903 A3 Chapter 2
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    Published on Nov 9, 2017
    More fun on the main range with this old "War Horse."
     
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    Shooting the Cameron Yaggi 1903 Trench Rifle Conversion
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    Published on Nov 10, 2017
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    The Cameron-Yaggi conversion was an experimental American trench rifle that was never put into service. However, this one example has survived, and today we are going to put a few rounds through it.

    The literature says that recoil is mild, and the periscope actually moves away form the shooter when fired. This is not the case. The periscope goes right back into the shooter's eye, because it has a very short eye relief. The periscope also provides a very narrow field of view, and I expect it would have been very difficult to actually use this contraption effectively in the fighting of World War One. That said, the device is sturdy and easy to use, unlike most of the other trench rifle adaptations I have seen.
     
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    "Double Deuce" 2-Bore Rifle: A Gunsmithing Spectacle
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    Published on Nov 11, 2017
    Double Deuce rifle: https://www.rockislandauction.com/det...
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    The largest sporting rifles ever actually used in the field as more than an exhibition were 4-bore stopping rifles, firing roughly 1" in diameter (25mm) projectiles. These were intended to not simply kill a dangerous animal, but to stop it immediately in a charge, which might require shooting through thick bone or horn protection. For that purpose, the 4-bore could have some value - assuming you had an assistant to carry it when danger was not imminent!

    However, there have been a number of gunsmiths who have built 2-bore rifles, like this example named "Double Deuce" by its maker, Stolzer & Son of Kansas. At 44 pounds, this behemoth is definitely too heavy for practical use, but it sure is an impressively huge piece of work! It fires a 1.33" (33.8mm) ball weighing 3500gr (227g) at about 1250fps (380 m/s)...if you can hold it on target long enough to get an accurate shot.

    You can check out Stolzer's YouTube channel here: https://www.youtube.com/user/cstolzer338
     
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    Lindsay's "Young American" Martial Two-Shot Pistol
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    Published on Nov 12, 2017
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    J.P. Lindsay was a former Springfield Armory employee when he designed and patented an idea for a two-shot, single-barrel pistol. The apocryphal story is that Lindsay's brother was killed in a firefight against two Indians, while reloading his single-shot rifle - so Lindsay was moved to design a weapon which would have saved his brother.

    The idea is a simple one, and Lindsay is not the first to have made such a gun. The single barrel has two flash holes, situated such that two stacked charges of powder and ball may be loaded and then fired one after the other. The pistol has two hammers and uses two percussion caps. Unlike the Walch revolver, Lindsay used a single trigger, which would fire first the right hammer if both were cocked, and the left hammer is only it was cocked.

    The "Young American" (Lindsay's trade name for the pistol) was made in pocket, belt, and martial sizes, with this one being a martial type in .45 caliber and with an 8 inch barrel. Only about 100 of these were made, as the concept has substantial practical problems - namely the many ways that one could wind up firing the rear charge first.
     
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    Weirdest Shotgun Ever (PW-87)
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    Published on Nov 12, 2017
    The PW87 is a lever action 12 gauge. Shotgun, it is a Chinese copy of the terminator shotgun and has some qirks that make it the weirdest shotgun I have ever shot. However, it does seem to really like the Fiocchi birdshot and nickle plated buckshot.
     
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    Hungarian FEG AP63 32 ACP Pistol
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    Published on Nov 13, 2017
    The guys at Classic Firearms are always unearthing cool mil-surp stuff. The Hungarian FEG AP63, sometimes called the PA63 in its 9x18 offering, is a pistol designed in 1963 for Hungarian police. It's still in use today and is available in several calibers including 32 ACP (7.65 Browning), 9x18 and .380. This is another cool "here today, gone tomorrow" mil-surp import item.
     
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    The Good Idea Fairy Strikes: American Trowel Bayonets
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    Published on Nov 13, 2017
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    The United States first experimented with a combination trowel and bayonet in 1868, producing 200 experimental examples made from standard socket bayonets. This was immediately followed by an additional 500 Model 1869 trowel bayonets made new. These were distributed to a few companies of the infantry to test in the field. Remarkably, the trials reports were overwhelmingly positive.

    The US infantryman at that time did not carry any sort of entrenching tool, and so even an awkward combination tool was an improvement over a canteen cup or other ad hoc tool for digging. The bayonet was seen by some officers as becoming obsolete with the introduction of breechloading rifles, so the reduced effectiveness of the new item as a bayonet was not a substantial concern. The intended use of these tools was not to dig elaborate trenches, but rather to hastily construct a shallow ditch and embankment which would provide just enough cover to shelter a prone soldier.

    With the trials reports in, the government purchased 10,000 of the improved 1873 pattern trowel bayonet, which featured a stronger blade and a much more comfortable handle for digging. These were issued and used in the field (and in several combat engagements), but the developmental direction turned towards combination knife trowels instead of bayonets, and there would be no further development or issue of these tools after the 1870s.

    See the full trials report here: https://books.google.com/books?id=qUE...
     
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    Japan's Type 90 3-Barreled Naval Flare Pistol
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    Published on Nov 14, 2017
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    The Japanese Navy used several different types of flare pistols during World War Two (and in the decades before), but the most impressive looking of the bunch was the three-barreled Type 90 (not to be confused with the two-barreled model also designated Type 90). The three barrels were not simply there to look intimidating, of course, but rather so that a flare of each of the three different colors in use could be kept ready at all times. The barrels were marked with colored decals to note the flare colors - one green, one white, and one red and yellow. In another unusual design decision, the entire upper assembly of the Type 90 is on a sliding spring-loaded track to absorb recoil.

    For more information on Japanese flare pistols, see Teri's page at Nambu World: http://www.nambuworld.com/fgflareguns...
     
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    Rifles Of The World: Soviet M44 Mosin Nagant Carbine
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    Published on Nov 15, 2017
     
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    John Martz Custom P38s: Babies, .45s, and .38 Supers
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    Published on Nov 15, 2017
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    John Martz was a WWII US Navy veteran who spent a career in metalworking before turning his gunsmithing hobby into a full time occupation in the 1960s. He is best known for his custom Luger pistols, but also worked extensively with the P38. Today we are looking at an assortment of his custom P38s - a baby model with a shortened barrel and grip, a standard pattern gun converted to .38 Super, and a long barreled model converted to .45 ACP.
     
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    America's First Metallic Cartridge: The Burnside Carbine
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    Published on Nov 16, 2017
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    The Burnside carbine was originally invented by Ambrose Burnside - the man who would later command the Army of the Potomac and after whom sideburns would be named. Burnside came up with the idea while stationed in Mexico as a young officer, and resigned his commission in 1853. A substantial amount of money had been allocated by Congress to replace the Hall carbines, and Burnside hoped that his gun would be adopted. Despite his efforts, the attempt was unsuccessful, and Burnside sold his interest in the patents and company to one Charles Jackson in 1858.

    Jackson continued to promote the gun, and his big break came with the outbreak of the Civil War. Under Jackson's ownership, the company would manufacture 53,000 Burnside carbines by the end of the war, in 5 progressively improved variants.

    The innovation of the Burnside was its use of a metallic cartridge to seal the breech of the weapon against escaping gas. However, the cartridge did not incorporate an ignition source. Each round had a small hole in the base, and a standard percussion cap was fitted to the outside of the breechblock to fire. This cartridge was innovative and effective, but would become obsolete by the end of the war, and no serious effort was made to continue making Burnside carbines after the fighting ended.
     
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    "Fat Mac" - SSK Industries' .950 JDJ Rifle
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    Published on Nov 17, 2017
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    JD Jones’ .950 JDJ cartridge is a generally described as the largest sporting rifle cartridge ever produced, producing more energy than even the 4-bore cartridges that match it in bore diameter. Only three of these rifles were made, and the original loading was a 2600 grain (168g) cast bullet moving at 2200 fps (670m/s), for a whopping 28,000 foot-pounds of muzzle energy (38kJ). There are some antitank rifles that produce more, but nothing comparable in both energy and bore diameter in the sporting realm.

    The rifle is built on a McMillan stock and action, and was originally produced on special order for a customer who wanted a really (really) big rifle that could use cast bullets. The cartridge cases were originally made from 20mm Vulcan cases trimmer down to a (mere) 70mm case length, with custom made lathe-turned cases replacing them when brass Vulcan cases became too difficult to source. The gun itself weighs a bit over 60 pounds, with nearly a third of that in the muzzle brake alone. This example is being sold with a whole bunch of ammunition components, which is a good thing since Jones/SSK stopped making the ammunition several years ago…
     
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    Action Arms Semiauto Uzi Carbines (Model A and Model B)
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    Published on Nov 18, 2017
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    Although it was adopted by the Israeli military in the 1950s, the Uzi submachine gun did not generate much interest in the United States until the 1980s. The guns were used in limited numbers by the CIA covertly in Vietnam (and elsewhere), and also by various security elements of the US government - like the Secret Service. The events that would change this began in the 1970s when Uzi Gal left the Israeli military and moved to the United States, where he was hired by a company called Action Manufacturing.

    The owner of the company, Harry Stern, got the idea to market a semiautomatic variant of the weapon, and Uzi himself designed the modifications to make it semiautomatic only. The resulting gun was then produced by IMI in Israel and imported by Action Arms, a new branch of Action Manufacturing. The gun was introduced at the 1980 SHOT Show, and proved to be very popular. By the time the 1989 import ban ended importation, Action Arms sold about 72,000 of the guns.

    There were two main variations of the semauto Uzis made by IMI for Action Arms, the Model A and Model B (which replaced the A in 1983). The Model B added a firing pin safety that eliminated the possibility of the gun firing out of battery, which had been possible on the Model A. The B also incorporated some minor changes to the sights and sling swivels.

    For more detailed history of the Uzi, both in military and civilian forms, I highly recommend David Gaboury's new book "The Uzi SMG Examined": https://gunandswordcollector.com/prod...
     
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    J&G is giving them away for $180 + S&H. .32 acp is more expensive than 9mm and .380acp. Then you need to figure that surplus guns would work best with all next springs and a complete work over. I just like my stuff to always work when I pick it up. I have gone through brand new out of the box pistols and reworked them, but that's different.

    http://www.jgsales.com/feg-ap-mbp-7...2acp,-blued,-needs-repair,-used.-p-99045.html
     
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    Japanese Army 35mm Type 10 Flare Pistol
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    Published on Nov 19, 2017
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    The Japanese Army and Navy of the 1920s and 30s often used quite different equipment, and had a substantial interservice rivalry. Flare guns were one example of this separation, with the services using not just different flare pistols, but totally different flare cartridges. The Navy used a 28mm flare (mostly in double and triple barreled launchers like we saw last week), while the Army used a 35mm flare mostly in single barrel launchers like this Type 35.

    Perhaps the most interesting aspect of the Type 10 flare pistol is its similarity to the Type 26 revolver, with which is shares a number of distinctive features including the grips, spurless hammer, and trigger guard. These flare pistols were typically issued in leather holsters, but towards the end of the war a substitute type made of rubberized canvas was also issued - one of which is being sold with this Type 10.
     
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    German P.08 Luger! Finally got one!
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    Published on Nov 19, 2017
    FInally got my grubby little hands on one of the most infamous pistols ever. No, this isn't a complete video of the background and development of the pistol, so yes, I'm aware I probably left a bunch of info out that other channels have covered.

    Support the channel! HERE: https://www.patreon.com/mikefrigginb
     
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    Gebert Custom Mauser 71 with all the Bells and Whistles
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    Published on Nov 20, 2017
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    Made by Carl Gebert, a master gunsmith in Munich, this custom sporting rifle exhibits all the fancy options available in the 1870s or 1880s! The base action is an 1871 Mauser, which was a single shot rifle. However, this specially made one had been modified to us a fixed box magazine holding 3 or 4 cartridges - and also have a magazine cutoff to allow easy single loading while retaining the loaded magazine. It is chambered for a .50 caliber round (although I'm not sure which one exactly), and also has a pair of double set triggers and a receiver tang sight in addition to barrel-mounted express sights. Clearly a rifle for someone who wanted the best that could be had!
     
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    A Beautiful Alsop Pocket Revolver
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    Published on Nov 21, 2017
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    Charles Alsop patented the Alsop revolver design in 1861 and 1862, and produced it in two varieties - a .36 caliber Navy and a .31 caliber Pocket. The two were made in a single serial number range, with about 500 Navies and 300 Pockets. This Alsop Pocket is in excellent condition, and shops us a glimpse of what one of these revolvers would have looked like out of the factory, with a mixture of deep bluing, strawing, and case hardening.

    The Alsop design is similar to the Savage Navy revolver, which is not a surprise when one notices that several members of the Alsop family were stockholders in the Savage enterprise. The Alsop revolvers proved too expensive to be commercially sustainable, and the company additionally faced difficulty in keeping skilled workmen employed in the face of competition from other factories in the area.
     
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    WW1 German P.08 Luger Disassembly and Striker Mechanism: How it Operates.
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    Hopefully this is helpful!
     

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