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this is what I have been going on about:

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  1. Scorpio

    Scorpio Скорпион Founding Member Board Elder Site Mgr Site Supporter ++

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    SOG,

    I have no problem with that as that is why it was stated the genius of the system.

    I am only pointing out what it is. JK has verified it.

    The vast majority feel as shootist does about it. That same determination shows up in loss of food stamps, unemployment, kenyan care, welfare, etc. Sure you can argue that they haven't paid that in, but there really is no difference is the point. What has been taken out of the paycheck is a tax and it has been spent, compliments of everyone around you.

    The flip side of this is that all of us have been set up for extraction our whole lives. .Gov, corporations, local and state .govs, etc. Each of us is a walking talking liability from the moment we are born. The need to eat, housing, water, travel, etc all has a cost associated with it. Some balance the ledger to the positive, while others do not.

    The very moment the thing was set up, it was a sham. They started paying benefits immediately to people who hadn't paid any into the system, stealing from those who were yet working to accomplish it. In other words, spending it before it was even collected.

    The best thing current retirees could hope for is a somewhat stable economy so the younger keep the system flush, along with the continued issuance of fiat digits in vast sums.

    Just to give an idea of the magnitude of the problem, if we emptied the accounts of the corps listed above, it would only amount to wiping out the fed budget deficit for 1 year. Not the budget, only the deficit portion of the budget.
     
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    I'm not triggered, I'm insulted...there's a difference. I certainly don't need an apology from you. I've worked for a living and don't let stupid statements from others ruin my day. You're entitled to your opinion and I'm entitled to mine.

    Getting lumped into one bucket is insulting when we're also being told that us old white people are also racist! We can't help it....white privilege you know. Certainly you would have some grasp of how being stereotyped might feel, right?
     
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    One thing I see when I look at other countries is governments that don't spend their citizens tax dollars fighting never ending wars in foreign lands nor do I see them giving their citizens tax dollars away to foreign despots. Could be wrong but I believe most of these countries appear to take care of their own first. National health care, infrastructure and decent gov pension plans come to mind.

    Might be wrong but spending untold billions on never ending wars, propping up foreign despots and moving embassies to lend credence to another countries claim as to what city is their capital (while shitting on your own citizenry) seems uniquely American to me.
     
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    It speaks for itself.
     
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    This!
     
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    the_shootist The war is here on our doorstep! Midas Member Site Supporter ++

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    Keep in mind those pensions are GOVERNMENT pensions. Those people didn't work for a living. They were government workers who weren't required to pay into SS so they didn't.
     
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    Scorpio Скорпион Founding Member Board Elder Site Mgr Site Supporter ++

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    not accurate,

    the pension number includes ss and fed, the link gives the breakdown
     
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    Maybe I'm oversimplifying but repatriation would help the jobs picture

    Stuff has to be made somewhere and capital flows where it's least punished. How much of the trillion offshore would rather be in the US if it was free or at least cheap to come home

    Of course this won't help with our spending and dependence problems. We'd have to have the stones to follow through, kill welfare and put the leaches to work
     
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    You're right: .01% is what I found


    Pensions: Start chart 1,061.8 0.0 268.2 55.6 1,385.6 S14) 0.0 0.0 9.7 0.0 9.7 [​IMG]
    [–] Old age 907.3 0.0 258.5 55.6 1,221.4 [​IMG] [​IMG]
    [–] Federal employee retirement and disability (602) 139.7 0.0 0.0 0.0 139.7 [​IMG]
    — Special Benefits 0.3 0.3
    — Foreign Service Retirement and Disability Fund 1.0 1.0
    — Armed Forces Retirement Home Trust Fund 0.1 0.1
    — Military Retirement Fund 54.4 54.4
    — Civil Service Retirement and Disability Fund 0.1 0.1
    — Civil Service Retirement and Disability Fund 85.1 85.1
    — Employees Life Insurance Fund -1.4 -1.4
    — Judicial Officers' Retirement Fund 0.1 0.1
    — Reimbursement for Program Expenses, Federal Retirement Thrift Investment Board -0.3 -0.3
    — Program Expenses 0.3 0.3
    S11) 0.0 0.0 258.5 55.6 314.1 [​IMG]
    [+] OASI Benefits (652) 856.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 856.0 [​IMG]
    [+] OASI Administration (653) 2.7 0.0 0.0 0.0 2.7 [​IMG]
    [–] Social Security Other (656) -0.1 0.0 0.0 0.0 -0.1 [​IMG]
     
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    that part of ss is the people that get paid that are not old enough, like disabilities etc.

    the number above is the actual for old farts like you............
     
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    OH yeah, I see lots of programs for government employees. Can anyone walk me through the 'old fart who didn't work for the government' parts? I don't see as well as I used to you know. I know I'm there, I'd just like to know how much is directly attributed to 'me'

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    damn straight,

    I am tired of the smoke and mirrors of .gov

    The games, the pitting one group against another,

    The never ending control of the conversation, using magic money to do so.

    I am not only insulted, I am flat PO'd anymore.

    It is true that I get on the snowflakes all of the time, but the reality is, they are programmed to be what they currently are.

    The way these libtards feel about their gay friends and no kick ball on the playground, is the same way I feel about the moral degradation of society, or the general manner in which humans treat each other.
     
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    here you go deadbeat..........

    fyi, OASI is old age and survivors insurance benefits, or the smoke and mirrors name for it


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    before anyone gets all worked up about being labeled a deadbeat,
    the system labels you a liability

    be a deplorable, wear it, and never forget it,

    don't let anyone take it from you............

    this system of extraction wears me down,

    My FIL pays over 7 grand a month to house his wife in a Alzheimer clinic as she can no longer function. If it wasn't for his union pension and his SS, he too would be in the poor house and she would be under .gov care. He is doing the honorable thing and paying his/her way out of his earned retirement stipends and his savings from years and years of work.

    So the system is going to bleed the life right out of a good man, completely ruining the later years of his life after being a good christian and family man all of his life.
     
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    which goes back to that original chart,

    they are extracting the shit out of you,

    every day, every heartbeat,
     
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    I've seen and heard of this my entire life. Some people don't have a union pension they can count on, some have no pension at all. A lot of people simply have SS which hasn't had a decent raise in years. A lot of people in this boat have to rely on food stamps (if they qualify) to help with their food bills. If they don't qualify some rely on food banks. Really said when you consider what our elected representatives do with tax payer bucks they should be spending here at home.

    BTW - the people who I'm talking about are not dead beats, bad or stupid. They're simply fellow Americans who may have never caught a break. There are a number of things our government could be doing to help these people but they seem more concerned with stuff happening in other countries than they do with the problems in their own back yards. Why that is I don't know. One thing is for sure - it's not cool.

    When you hear someone talking about socialized medicine or criticizing politicians it doesn't make them a socialist or a bad person. Maybe they are just sick and tired of money grubbing, lying 2 faced politicians taking their tax dollars and spending it in a foreign land. We need to take care of our own citizens. Unfortunately I really don't think that's going to happen anytime soon.
     
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    No, this system must be brought down...and the best way to do that peacefully imo is by withdrawing consent.
     
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    I care. Born in 1955. Been fighting against this system since adulthood. Little or no result.

    We are much alike. Stopped working at 58, started collecting SS this year at 62. Been learning about Medicare. They [FedGov] says I must sign up at 65 to keep my current Tricare health coverage. Yet I have found a loophole! Not sure yet if I will exploit it, it depends on what we decide to do when my wife stops working [not sure if we will stay here full time or at all].

    Excellent points. The current owners of FedGov will never put citizens first. A real Revolution will be required.
     
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    just a question, but do you not recognize what you are saying?

    I don't grant anyone the right to steal my dough and spend it however they feel is necessary or right. They are socialists, and they are bad when they actually believe that stealing from me and others is the way to make things right.

    to try to state that it is all due to overseas spending is flat false. Plenty of dough is wasted right here in the us of a. The Dept of Ed, The war on poverty, The so declared emergency funds to dumbasses building in flood zones, etc etc. The list is endless, so it seems as though what some are really stating is they just want their share, share defined by them at our expense?

    fwiw, I do agree with the constant war footing, but alas, the burdens of Rome.

    solarion and gringott speak to the reality, not the fantasy. My reality is, I will never see a improvement in my lifetime.
     
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    The day I was able to grab my pension I did and never looked back.

    Volunteering at a food bank gave me a chance to see how things really are and how hard it is to qualify for gov programs. It's not what some people think.
     
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    Neither will I.
     
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    Yeah.............I do.

    This made me smile.

    The gov is going to take your dough...........no matter what you (or I) think or say. They only thing I'm saying is that I would like to see it spent here rather than anywhere else.

    And the only say that anyone really has is in who you vote for. You can also contact your representatives and tell them how you feel about certain issues but a lot of times that'll fall on death ears.

    So I guess the next best thing is to vent some where. I'm feeling much better now.
     
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    :belly laugh: Thank you for the clarification big bear!
     
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    wear it with honor and tell the rest to bump off!
     
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    Here is the fun part, you guys were never meant to collect a dime.........

    The avg life expectancy of males in 1935 was 58, and the mandated age for benefits was set at 65. Far above that.

    You are supposed to be dead, but here you went and screwed up their plans by living.

    The rest of the article by the SSA is only trying to justify the numbers. That isn't what they meant, etc.



    Life Expectancy for Social Security
    If we look at life expectancy statistics from the 1930s we might come to the conclusion that the Social Security program was designed in such a way that people would work for many years paying in taxes, but would not live long enough to collect benefits. Life expectancy at birth in 1930 was indeed only 58 for men and 62 for women, and the retirement age was 65. But life expectancy at birth in the early decades of the 20th century was low due mainly to high infant mortality, and someone who died as a child would never have worked and paid into Social Security. A more appropriate measure is probably life expectancy after attainment of adulthood.

    https://www.ssa.gov/history/lifeexpect.html
     
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    Women with children don't seem to have a problem, and I read all the time about illegal aliens raking in the cash from FedGov. Don't know if it is all true except for the IRS illegal alien scams. Plenty of documentation of that.
    Be a broke single man citizen and find out what your "safety net" is. You will be shocked.
     
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    By the looks of it, the single man safety net seems to be a cardboard sign at a major intersection.
     
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    Broke single man citizens are despised by society and told to go and get a fucking job. Circumstances do not matter.
    You are right, begging is the main support. One exception is the veteran, if they are willing to quit alcoholism or drug dependency if so hampered, the VA will help them.
    That is why I never give to the street corner cardboard sign holder that claims to be a veteran. Most are lying. Just talk to them, I have.

    Meanwhile single moms and illegal aliens are held up as heroes and morally upright people of real value.

    Amazing.

    Who knew back in the day the end result of the "Murphy Brown" controversy?
    If you are too young to know, look it up.
     
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    People are usually pretty quick to point fingers and blame their fellow peasants, but that's not going to be the case when the social security fund runs dry.

    Everyone will blame the government 100%.

    Look at the attitudes in this thread - - "that's my money they took from me for years!"

    Seriously, WTF are they going to do - - blame the unemployeds for not going to work at the shuttered factory that's been vacant for decades since the jobs were offshore to third world shitholes?
     
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    I've personally watched the illegals show up at the grocery, load 3 carts, at te checkout present a 3500 check from the local catholic collective expecting the grocery to cash the check and give them the balance in cash.

    Then cry when they get sent away empty handed
     
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    You are 100% correct, my friend. Collapse is a mathematical certainty.

    Personal BKs will be the catalyst because the government can always print money to keep itself afloat for a bit longer.

    But EVERYONE is maxed out - - the peasants and all levels of government. The only ones with any reserves are the corporations sitting on piles of cash. Hopefully that's the first place the bail ins start confiscating.
     
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    Yeah. At the grocery store...

    I was in my local asian grocery store looking the boneless chicken thighs when I noticed the lady next to me loading up on chicken legs. She must have picked up ten or fifteen packages or so to put in her cart. Her cart was practically full of meat, nothing else. Curious, I asked her what she was buying so much meat for and she answered, “Oh we have a little BBQ place down on Rainier Avenue and this is the cheapest place to buy meat.”
    Oh, I thought, that’s smart. But I wondered why she didn’t buy it wholesale.
    I just happened to get in line behind her at the checkout and I watched her pay for that meat with an EBT card.
    My tax dollars at work.
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    I remember being the one who had to put all that back in the shelves....

    Yup, I’ve seen A-Rabs and Indian people do this.

    I’ve seen them buy cart loads of soda just to resale it.
     
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    Just curious what that 'hole' is? I just signed up for MC and it's not cheap.
     
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    I wonder if some of this (SS going broke, etc) could lead into a cashless society? Be a good time to do it. People may even welcome it if it would enable them to keep on keeping on.
     
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    That still doesn't solve the problem of where the money is going to come from.

    If the government is just going to create virtual blips on a computer screen and calling that "money" why not just keep printing the colourful scraps of paper currently referred to as "money".
     
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    Because digital FRNs can be tracked and taxed.
    The paper FRNs can move fairly freely in small amounts without being tracked by FedGov.
     
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