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Trump offers help for critically ill British child

Discussion in 'Politics Forum (Local/National/World)' started by Goldhedge, Jul 4, 2017.



  1. Goldhedge

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    Trump offers help for critically ill British child
    BY JONATHAN EASLEY - 07/03/17 11:18 AM EDT

    President Trump on Monday offered to help a critically ill British child who has become a flashpoint in the United Kingdom debate over whether the government should have a say in individual matters pertaining to life and death.

    Trump tweeted his support for Charlie Gard, a 10-month-old infant on life support due to complications from a mitochondrial disease. The controversy around Gard has engulfed the Vatican, which infuriated some on the right by not immediately siding entirely with the parents, who want to seek experimental medication in the U.S. or bring their child home to die.

    “If we can help little #CharlieGard, as per our friends in the U.K. and the Pope, we would be delighted to do so,” Trump tweeted.

    Gard’s case has created an international uproar and sparked debate over whether the government should be able to mandate “death with dignity” over a family’s wishes to seek out experimental medication for their sick child.

    Gard was born with a rare genetic condition and cannot move or breathe on his own.

    His parents want to bring him to the U.S. to seek experimental medication or take him home so they can spend their final hours together.

    The Great Ormond Street Hospital where he is staying has argued the child would suffer harm because there is no prospect he will recover. The British Supreme Court is backing the hospital, opening the door for doctors there to withdraw life support for the child.

    Gard’s parents will also not be allowed to take him home to die.
    White House director of media affairs Helen Ferre said members of the administration had spoken to the Gard family in calls set up by the British government.

    “The president is just trying to be helpful if at all possible,” Ferre said, adding that Trump had not spoken directly with the family and does not want to pressure them in any way.

    Citing legal issues, the White House declined to say whether a U.S. hospital or doctor had become involved in the discussions to provide care for the child.

    The Vatican has weighed in, saying “we must do what advances the health of the patient, but we must also accept the limits of medicine” and “avoid aggressive medical procedures that are disproportionate to any expected results or excessively burdensome to the patient or the family.”

    “Likewise, the wishes of parents must be heard and respected, but they too must be helped to understand the unique difficulty of their situation and not be left to face their painful decisions alone,” Archbishop Vincenzo Paglia wrote.

    “If the relationship between doctor and patient (or parents as in Charlie’s case) is interfered with, everything becomes more difficult and legal action becomes a last resort, with the accompanying risk of ideological or political manipulation, which is always to be avoided, or of media sensationalism, which can be sadly superficial.”

    That statement infuriated conservatives, who are questioning why the Vatican did not prioritize the life of the child over the decision of the state.

    Pope Francis on Sunday weighed in, saying the parents should be allowed to "accompany and treat their child until the end."

    "The Holy Father is following with affection and emotion the situation of little Charlie Gard and expresses his closeness to his parents," a spokesman for the pope said. "He is praying for them, in the hope that their desire to accompany and care for their own child until the end will be respected."



     
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    Watch for Signs from the East.
    TRUMP and the POPE are on the same page. ( As posted in the other related thread- I'm on this side TOO).
    Great Britain .Gov holding people as its cattle.
     
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    Pay attention America ... this is what socialized medicine gets you.
     
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    Unfunny thing is, American kids will die with the repeal of Obamacare while a foreigner will be rushed to the head of the line doomed to live a long life as a veggie...on the American Taxpayers dime.
     
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    Yer swallowing the propaganda whole, LM. The American kids will die schtick is typical leftist BS propaganda. On the taxpayers dime? I'm willing to bet DT will do this out of his own pocket. Something a Clinton, an Obama, a Schumer, Pelosi, Reid or Ginsburg would never do. Buncha tight asses. All progressivists preach compassion and charity, but they would be the first ones to pull the plug on you, if they thought it was going to cost them a cent.
     
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    Death panels.
     
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    So the poor little bugger got born with a transcription error that resulted quite by chance from his parents coupling being lottery winner odds ?

    Shame, but there it is, sh1t happens, and he wont be the last.

    As for there being a chance in the USA, I doubt it ! What there will be is some money grubber selling hopium.

    So maybe the British Quacks have it right ? I mean transporting the kid seems as though it could involve a deal of effort, and a stack of cash ? Are we going to do that for every kid thats the victim of the genetic reverse lottery ?
     
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    More like fraudulent American Quacks. There always seems to be a treatment in the USA that will cost a shed load of money, but somehow, never seems to have the desired effect once that cash has been parted with :)
     
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    Trump's point is at least the USA can do something like prolong the kid's life for a little bit for the sake of the parents. However, all the liberals here and there are disagreeing with Trump that nothing can be done just to disagree and make Trump look incompetent.

    Typical baby killing liberals looking to abort even after the baby is born. Hurry up and get dibs on spare body parts.
     
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    The difference being that in the US, you have a choice. In the UK, that money is gone before you even get sick
     
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    NOTHING, as in absolutely NOTHING in the way of "benefits" should be gleaned from income taxes.

    IRS is a private collection agency under the control of the Royal Bankster Cabal.

    Just my 1 cent after 50% taxation.
     
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    Ok, I added the bit in red

    I'd like to see Trump send Air Force one to go get the kid, with parental consent, and taxpayer reimbursement

    Up yours socialists

    No you can't do it for everyone but that's no excuse for not doing it when you can
     
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    I'd like to see Trump send his personal plane to collect them, and have one of his companies foot the bill for a tax writeoff.
     
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    Exactly my point.

    When the money runs out, the death panel makes a "decision."
     
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    Now if we could do the same for American people, allow other people to do tax write offs for poor, you'd have a great idea. Some Texas Oilman could bail out a ton of people....
     
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    I agree

    Any plane the President is on gets the designation Air Force one, as I understand it

    He can use the plane for personal reasons as long as he reimburses the treasury (this is why Obozo always scheduled a brief stop for gov business whenever he went on vacation)
     
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    IF Trump used his personal plane the left would say he was anti-American and push a bunch of almost dead Americans saying why not help them instead?
     
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    Living on planet earth is just plain weird.
     
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    May be we can send the American doctor to England with his medicine? If you need quick fame you have to be able to stand up to extra scrutiny
     
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    I have seen comment this from the left. I wonder why they didn't die BEFORE Obamacare?

    There must have been thousands...?!

    It's a lot like "babies were tossed out of incubators" in my mind.
     
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    They did die before Obamacare and there were thousands of people dying...Obamacare as crappy as it is saves lives. If you trust the politicians numbers, 43,000 lives saved by early cancer detection.
     
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    The parents AND generous PEOPLE raised the money for the PARENTS to use for THEIR child as THEY see fit. What concern is it for a .gov, or hospital to get in the way and prevent this life saving attempt.
    Most .govs WASTE more money than that in an hour.

    AGAIN:
    My life experiences tell me the biggest regret a person has in life are the "WOULDAS, COULDAS, & SHOULDAS of life decisions.
    Let these parents rest comfortably that THEY did EVERYTHING they possibly could for THEIR CHILD. IF it fails it fails, but a 100% guaranteed failure is NOT TRYING at all.
    Because some asshat bureaucrats and pious hospital executives try to interfere.
     
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    I see from the papers today that the 'Public' have raised £1.3 million. Thats a stack, and I guarantee it'll attract hucksters in the same way ice cream attracts wasps.

    I also see some of the guys here fall for it when the 'Children' button is pressed. And for the record its a tragedy when ANY child dies, but I'll wager the number of kids shooting through today in the whole world will run into thousands ? Needless to say 99.9% of those kids wont have the benefit of a press campaign that probably has more to do with increasing circulation, than bringing on what would be a Miracle ? I say Miracle because its for sure and certain that medico's here in the UK are likely every bit a good as in the US, or the Vatican. This kid wont die through lack of money, he'll die through lack of progress in the field of genetics, and likely the folk who are shouting hardest about this case, will be the same folk who have impeded the field of genetic medicine by worrying about Hitler being cloned, or other well known issues surrounding the topic ?

    As a bonus, the campaign for involuntary organ donation has been using this case from the get go, and with the latest publicity has shifted up a gear or two. The whole case has become a magnet for anybody with an angle to push, and that includes President Trump.
     
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    The button that got pushed here was the "gov will make the life and death decision and the parents be damned"

    There's an experimental treatment and the money has been raised

    All that's "left" is for the gov to get the F out of the way
     
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    The Doctor's decision has been through the courts, and lets remember that the decision to declare that nothing can be done, will not have been made by a solitary rogue doctor, There will have been more senior medical guys involved with this case than you or I could shake a stick at.

    I'd have to think that as the kid is relying on machines to keep him functioning, moving him to the USA may involve potential distress, as well as logistic difficulties ?

    However, I'd also have to think that there'd be nothing stopping this American 'Wonder Team' from hopping on a plane, and coming over here. We aint exactly a third world country you know.
     
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    That's the whole issue, right there. My opinion is the poor kid has a snowball's chance in hell of surviving, but it isn't, or should not be the government's decision to actually demand the boy be just left to die, leaving the parent's hopes out of the decision making loop.
     
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    Lets just hope the kid aint in pain, or too much distress.
     
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    Well, YOUR, Doctors, hospital and YOUR Courts ( .GOV) are certainly acting like one on this issue.

    What are they afraid of being "showed up" by an American Procedure ? The Brits do not have a clue about it ( and can not by a vowel to figure it out) .

    Just to be fair there are therapies, and procedures allowed in Europe, Russia, and India that the AMA refuse to allow here in the states or are a hell of alot cheaper over there.
    Germany had a therapy for Crohn's Disease decades before one was allowed in the US for example.
     
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    The hospital the kid is in is one of the worlds leading centres when it comes to Mitochondrial problems.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-40503842

    I'd be willing to put money on the spot that says any American medico who can offer a 'Realistic' chance of cure is a bullsh1tter.
     
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    Not every gene therapy works for everybody, I know this.
    Currently there is a boy on America's Got Talent ( a TV Show)who was blind due to an genetic issue. His family TOOK the CHANCE and did a gene therapy treatment. HE got enough of his eyesight back to see his mother for the first time. He wears heavy prescription glasses but does not need a cane. He sings like a songbird.
    The therapy that work for him has not worked on every patient, but IT WORKED for HIM.

    What British Tax Money is lost ?
    Only AUTHORITY is lost over three British TAX Cattle, and the ability to TAX the funds the parents and good people who donated put together.

    IF this was your child and YOU were in this exact same situation, would YOU GIVE UP so EASILY ?

    "NOTHING VENTURED NOTHING GAINED"
    WOULDAS, COULDAS, AND SHOULDAS ALL EQUAL REGRET
     
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    Obviously I'm no medical expert, but the coverage does seem to suggest that it would indeed be a miracle if survival was achieved.

    Clearly the parents will be devastated, but I wonder if offering even the slightest chance could not be categorised as cruelty to them as well as the child ?

    Certain things in life are inevitable, death being one of them, and at some point when dealing with a loved one who is obviously going to pass on, it becomes a matter of self preservation to accept there are limits to what medicine can achieve, and concentrate on getting through what is inevitable in the best way for all concerned.

    I reiterate, the parents have my sympathy, but the media carnival that has descended on this case will likely end up causing them more grief that would otherwise have been the case ?
     
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    But the "carnival" has been created by the -Establishment- in CONTROL.
    IF the Establishment had stepped aside or maybe the unique position of assisting the parents once financial ability and liability issues released the Establishment the "Carnival" would have been minimal at most.

    This all about CONTROL and the potential for embarrassment the Establishment has brought upon themselves.

    Still YOU dodged the question: IF this was your child and YOU were in this exact same situation, would YOU GIVE UP so EASILY ?

    I've got kids. I would be doing EXACTLY what these parents are attempting to do.
    God help those who would stand in the way and this child dies while in their control. Let them die a slow painful death, and rot in hell.

    I guess this is one of the differences between European and American mentality. Those that give up easily ( Europeans) and those willing to fight for life or cause ( Americans).

    Bravo to those who financially helped this family.
     
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    The New American Counter Culture - Patriotism - considers the later "The Nanny State".
     
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    Yeah, the whole idea of defeat is inevitable, don't bother fighting, just give up and lay down and die mentality is abhorant to me. Couple that with the abominable idea of government bureaucrats deciding your child's fate and forcing defeat on you is completely unacceptable. As I posted earlier in the thread, the boy has a snowball's chance of survival, but I will take the snowball's chance rather than just give up. Imagine telling your child, face to face, we're just giving up on you. Assuming he could understand. Who would do that?
     
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    I'd hope someone, a friend, would be about to tip me off that it was time to let go.
     
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    Trump needs to concentrate on what he was elected to do regarding this country.
    Should he desire to help an individual that has failed health issues from another country with socialized medicine that is fine fror him to do out of his own pocket.
    While my post may seem harsh unfortunately that is the way it is. The United States can not be the free health insurer of the world
     
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    Eds. The other thread tells that the family and supporters have collected over $1.3 MILLION usd for the treatment here in the US.
    NO welfare or Free healthcare involved.

    Its a Cash transaction.
    Just butt hurt British bureaucrats, doctors and Hospital Execs. preventing the family to come to America for the treatment.
     
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    With that amount of funds the doctors can be transported to the patient.
    Seriously the USA needs to keep its nose in its own business and not that of others
     

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