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Venetian Bankers and the Dark Ages

Discussion in 'Coffee Shack (Daily News/Economy)' started by AMforPM, Apr 1, 2010.



  1. AMforPM

    AMforPM Gold Member Gold Chaser

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    This is an old great GIM post from years back, posted by koyaanisqatsi that I rescued and brought over.

     
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    (continued because it was too long for the board to accept)

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    and more from that great thread

    The Simpleton posted
    more from K

    and another k post

     
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    (continued again, same reason)
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    Rather than sharing the peace of mutual greed and free enterprise with their ``allies''-- the bankers of Florence -- the merchants of Venice bankrupted them, and the economies of Europe and the Mediterranean along with them. Florence was the fourteenth century ``New York,'' the apparent center of banking with the world's biggest banks. But Venice was ``London,'' manipulating Florentine bankers, kings, and emperors alike, by tight knit financial conspiracy and complete dominance of the markets by which money was minted and credit created.

    ``The fall of gold, to which the Venetians had contributed so much by their vigorous export of silver and import of gold, and in which they found profits, hurt the Florentines. In spite of their being the leaders of international finance ... the Florentines were not in a position, as were the Venetians, to take advantage of the changes that took place between 1325 and 1345.''

    In 1346, Mongol cavalry spread the Black Death to towns in the Crimea, on the Black Sea, and from there it was carried by ship to Sicily and Italy in 1347, and spread throughout Europe. The European population had stagnated for 40 years while becoming more concentrated into cities, where water and sanitation infrastructure had decayed. In Florence, for example, all the city's bridges had been built in the 13th century, none in the fourteenth.

    ``It was assumed, on account of the lack of people, that there would be an abundance of everything the law produces. But on the contrary, because of man's ingratitude, everything was in unusually short supply ... and in some countries there were terrible famines. It was thought there would be a profusion of clothing and of everything the human body needs besides life itself, and just the opposite occurred. Most things cost twice as much or more than they did before the plague and wages increased disjointedly to double.''

    The marked price rises in the aftermath of the Black Death and subsequent epidemics, lasted more than a generation. This then led to a sharp deflation and collapse of wages from about 1380.

    Thus, emerging ``private enterprise capitalism'' was set back by the disaster of the fourteenth century. Also in passing that 30 million people died in Europe in the ensuing Black Death, famine, and war.



    Who was it meant to SAVE?

    No one, only the wealth and power of Venice Bankers.

    And it curtailed the rise of Islam
    The mid 7th century to the mid 10th century CE saw the gradual expansion of Islam. Half of the Christian world was conquered by Arab armies; this included countries in which Christianity had been established for centuries, such as Egypt, southern France, southern Italy, Sicily, Spain, Syria, Turkey, etc. So the Crusades saved these lands for the Church of Rome.


    Where were the Jewish people, the Muslims during this time frame?

    King Phillip's mintmaster estimated that 100 tons of silver had been exported ``to the land of the Saracens'' (the Islamic Middle East).

    On the way to the Middle East, they decided that only one of their goals was to wrest control of Jerusalem from the Muslims. A secondary task was to rid the world of as many non-Christians as possible - both Muslims and Jews.

    The Crusaders gave the Jews two choices in their slogan: "Christ-killers, embrace the Cross or die!" 12,000 Jews in the Rhine Valley alone were killed as the first Crusade passed through. Some Jewish writers refer to these events as the "first holocaust." Once the army reached Jerusalem and broke through the city walls, they slaughtered all the inhabitants that they could find (men, women, children, newborns). After locating about 6,000 Jews holed up in the synagogue, they set the building on fire; the Jews were burned alive. The Crusaders found that about 30,000 Muslims had fled to the al Aqsa Mosque. The latter were also slaughtered without mercy. During the Crusades, the entire Jewish population of Cologne was destroyed.

    The Roman Catholic church taught that going to war against the "Infidels" was an act of Christian penance. If a believer was killed during a crusade, he would bypass purgatory, and be taken directly to heaven. By eliminating what might be many millennia of torture in Purgatory, many Christians were strongly motivated to volunteer for the crusades. "After pronouncing a solemn vow, each warrior received a cross from the hands of the pope or his legates, and was thenceforth considered a soldier of the Church." 3

    These mass killings were repeated during each of the 8 additional crusades until the final, 9th, crusade in 1272 CE. Both Christians and Muslims believed that they were fighting on God's side against Satan; they believed that if they died on the battlefield they would be given preferential treatment in Heaven. Battles were fought with a terrible fierceness and a massive loss of life. The Muslim warrior Salah a-Din subsequently recaptured Jerusalem from the Christians.

    By the end of the crusades, most European Christians believed the unfounded blood-libel myths -- the rumor that Jews engaged in human sacrifice of Christian children. A long series of Christian persecutions of the Jews continued in Europe and Russia into the 20th century. They laid the foundation for the Nazi Holocaust.

    The result of centuries of conflict among followers of the three Abramic religions (Judaism, Christianity and Islam) was a "deep mutual hatred" and mistrust among the three faiths. Memories of these genocides still influence relationships among Jews, Christians and Muslims to the present time.


    Where were the Christian Italian bankers, and the Knights Templar?

    They were refining their arts, preparing to go underground, change names and appearances, continue to pursue the ‘plan’ maybe again and yet again? It seems to me that the remnants of the ancient Greek and Roman bankers had gone to Italy and Germany. They understood well things such as fractional reserve lending and currency devaluation, cash flows and money supply. Most financial terms in the English lexicon came from Rome, not Judea or Hebrew.

    The Knights Templar had apparently learned many of their ways from the Sufis. Consumer credit, credit cards, trade associations and multinational corporations were perhaps their contribution to the future world banker’s and credit merchant skills.

    Who knows, with a slight adjustment, maybe these old initial Templar divisions have just evolved into today….

    Before.................... Today

    the knights........... = military and police forces
    the sergeants....... = resource harvest/mining and manufacturing corporations
    farmers................ = agribusiness and food distribution
    the chaplains........ = mass media, education, science/medicine and orthodox religion
    Lending.....................= finance, insurance, leasing, mortgages(L. meaning: 'dead-stake')

    But some say that the Knights Templars were closely related ideologically to the Cathars. It is then a bit ironic that the Templars were tortured and persecuted, forced to go underground about 100 years after the destruction of the related Cathars.


    Who won?

    The chief ‘Powers That Be’ of the Financial Industry and Orthodox Christian Churches circa the 14th century -- they ‘won’ perhaps.

    So among many Jews and Muslims, the term 'crusade' evokes visions of genocide, mass murder, and mass extermination of innocent people. However, among many Christians it has become a positive term, frequently used to refer to mass rallies and campaigns to win converts - as in the Billy Graham Crusades.


    Where are those winning/losing --
    parties/religions/countries today perhaps?
    Who is IN CHARGE today
    and might also gain from another great crusade?

    Me, I don’t know, ask the IMF, multinational corporations, arms dealers, any of the New World Order advocates maybe?

    Perhaps today, a parallel to Florence is New York and the USA Banking centers, old Venice is perhaps today like the European Commonwealth. Maybe both the USA and Nato are like old Venice. I can only speculate on how it will end up. China is likely now as the Mongols were, complicit to go along with it all again in a new role perhaps. The Middle East is now much like it was then, resource rich and desirable for world power's utility. Saudi Arabia is perhaps now like the old Sultans, still always willing trading partners with the world bankers, just as long as they get their 'fair' cut.

    Our own leaders warn us that ‘this war will not end in our lifetimes’. And that sort of warning is unheard of -- except in -- the old CRUSADES.

    In some ways the Crusades were perhaps the first of the WORLD WARS. It was a serial religious war as well, so it’s adherence was based upon FAITH and the levels of hatred and genocide exceeded those of any rational understanding. The strife was less about nation states and nationality -- than personal belief structures and the control of promised land ‘sacred sites’.

    The financial collapse to follow the Crusades resulted largely from currency exchange valuation and commodity speculation, along with control of territory for a monetary empire. It is during that period of financial collapse that most of the loss of life occurred in Europe, due to the combined effects of famine and plague. Some feel that this 'die off' was part of the intended 'final solution’ and a way back to eventual prosperity.

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    Summary

    Our original USA ‘Founding Fathers’ well warned us:

    *Separate Church and State.
    *Use only sound money, not fiat currency.
    *Avoid foreign entanglements.
    *Do not allow party factions to control politics.
    *Keep a FREE press to maintain an informed and involved populace.

    We are perhaps in pending deep trouble today, because the situation now seems a whole lot like it was back in 1340 AD.

    Now we blame Jews and Muslims for our problems. Funny thing, they sure seemed like victims the last time around. The Jews were not world bankers in 1300 AD. -- Just victims of the crusades.

    We see videotaped beheadings and 9-11 drama to inspire national, cultural and religious contempt. The other side, they see us at our worst as well, to be sure. China and Russia loom in the side aisles, ready to jump into the mess whenever they decide it to be of advantage. The world is a kindling pile. And the attack on the NYC Twin Towers, what a symbol of defiance they must be to the Muslims who study this Crusade history perhaps involving world banking...

    Is it a coincidence that the Muslim extremists become so enflamed NOW, just when the Arab world possesses not silver, as in 1300, but OIL as in 2001? Seems it took all these 600 years to find this opportunity of peak oil's intense demand to get the world over a BARREL.

    Once again now, the burgeoning World population seems to be ‘in the way of future progress’ in a world of diminishing common resources. And in some ways America seems like Florence Italy, while the EU seems more like Venice, that is to me at least..

    Like I say, it seems a D’eja Vu of 660-700 years. And I just wonder how we USA and World Citizens got here, yet again. Our founding father’s in the of the Age of Enlightenment, they gave us a chance, a WARNING -- and likely we blew it.

    Maybe the 'World Empire’ bunch of ancient Rome just never went away. They just regrouped and morphed and waited… or maybe we are them now. Perhaps they are equal opportunity employers today as well... who knows?

    I hope this wrap up post was a worthwhile read -- or I wouldn't bother to write it. We Americans seem to have such a limited understanding of really relevant history -- its all by design I feel.

    Meanwhile, thanks for reading my imaginings and realted personal research here. I feel better now just to get my concerns out somewhere -- right here with 'regular folks', the GIM people.[/QUOTE]

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    That thread really educated me that even PM money could be devastatingly abused.
     
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    FoundingFathers Founder Founding Member Site Mgr Site Supporter

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    yes - great post. "Koy" was a great contributor to GIM - wish he would come back.


    Looks like another "Dark Ages" is in our future.
     
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    I also saw this on Keiser's site.

    Is Max a member here?
     
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    Summary

    "Our original USA ‘Founding Fathers’ well warned us:

    *Separate Church and State.
    *Use only sound money, not fiat currency.
    *Avoid foreign entanglements.
    *Do not allow party factions to control politics.
    *Keep a FREE press to maintain an informed and involved populace." koyaanisqatsi

    Thats the "Kiss Principle Formula" right there folks. If only we could get back to that. It's easy to do complicated,much more difficult to do simple.Because doing it in complcated way allows
    TPTB to distract and dis inform etc...while doing simply and clearly,well they would not be able to achieve thier ultimate agenda; control the money,control the people.
     
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    Here's the original, makes for a little easier reading:

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    Link ---> How Venice Rigged The First, and Worst, Global Financial Collapse

    by Paul B. Gallagher

    This article is reprinted from the Winter 1995 issue of FIDELIO Magazine.

    A former political prisoner in Virginia, Paul Gallagher is the author of “Aeschylus' Republican Tragedies” (Fidelio, Vol. II, No. 2, Summer 1993) and “Population Growth Is Caused by Renaissances” (Fidelio, Vol. II, No. 4, Winter 1993.
     
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    ... and to show it wasn't only "in the dark ages" that a "tiny minority" controlled the purse-strings of "all the rest"...




    Oh, and there are 2 threads over at Kitco forums on this topic:

    U.S wealth distribution- Actual and the perceived

    Top 1 Percent Control 42 Percent of Financial Wealth in the U.S.
     
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