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VW Caught in Diesel Issue

Discussion in 'Coffee Shack (Daily News/Energy/Economy)' started by Krag, Sep 22, 2015.



  1. Krag

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    Yeh, they were/are on my short list for next car. Their stock is screaming down as well, do you think this will really hurt them or is it a good time to buy?
     
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    Yeah. The irony is that some of the VW diesels are super-efficient, but still illegal due to poorly written laws. The laws regulate emissions per gallon of fuel, rather than emissions per mile.
     
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    I thought I heard Cramer call it a buy so Id run the other way. Personally I think the car pump had run its course and earnings will be going south.
     
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    Wow....I might need to get one. LOL.
     
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    [h=1]How West Virginia engineer exposed Volkswagen's catastrophic environmental fraud and wiped BILLIONS off company's shares[/h]
    • Daniel Carder, 45, from West Virginia University produced a study that proved Volkswagen AG was cheating on U.S. vehicle emissions tests
    • Volkswagen Chief Executive Martin Winterkorn has paid the price for the scandal and resigned Wednesday, September 23
    • The scandal has rocked Germany's business and political establishment
    • So pronounced and shocking were the study's findings that Carder's team thought they had a problem with their research
    • The cheat helped saved fuel or improve the car’s torque and acceleration


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    I'm sure that the lefties will be demanding blood out of VW. Diesel engines last longer.
     
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    I think it's a good time to buy their stock. For perspective the recall will cost around 12 billion and they make 18 billon in profit

    That's not enough loss to justify a 40% loss in stock market cap
     
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    …..and there you have it, cryptoProtectionism at its finest. We've just out fasc'd zeee Germans. I guess we ain't seen nuthin' yet, just wait for The Trumpenführer to get into the White House.

    scuse me while I go piss on my Vette, pinch off a steamer on the driver's seat, and set the thing on fire.

    My next car? A Dub!
     
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    This is going to get interesting to me because three months ago, I bought a 2014 Jetta TDI.

    It's the premium version with all the bells and whistles, and was an ex-VW USA exec car.

    Nice car! Drives great and with four people and their bags, I can get 50 MPG with one hand tied behind my back.

    When the inevitible ORDER to bring it in for a "free software update" comes along, it ain't gonna be pretty.

    It already has the urea system so I'm pretty sure that when they "adjust" the software to comply with emission standards, my MPG is going to drop by 20%.

    At that point, I'm going to feel officially scammed and will likely join one of the class action lawsuits if VW is not stepping up to the plate with a REAL compensation package...
     
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    At that stage, you could probably just re-chip it, and be back to 50 MPG with a hand tied behind your back in a jiffy. For others in the market for a TDI, the trick might be to wait until the market gets flooded by disgruntled owners, then buy and re-chip.
     
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    Both Audi and VW are strict about ECU flashing. Just plugging into their obd2 port initiates a background scan. Have the wrong tune, or unaccounted for flash count and you are flagged TD1.

    All this means though is that you lose the warranty as it relates to broken component affected by performance enhancements.

    There are some great tuning companies there (goapr.com for Audi for example) that have software that even rewrites the flash counter.

    If it's me, I'm running the original tune, refusing the warranty replacement and taking my chances with emissions. If I fail emmisions, I'm going to a tuning house so I have the all year long tune, and the emmisions test tune.
     
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    Why the hell would you ever take it in to be reprogrammed? I suppose states with emission laws might be hard to skirt but I can assure you I would never let VW see the car again.
     
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    Any chance that VDub gives a list of everyone refusing to get their car "fixed" over to the gov who then declines you when you try to renew your registration?
    No new sticker means you stand out like a sore thumb to every cop on the road. Especially so if you pass one with a license plate reader. Automatic ticket. Maybe towed, too. Depending on the state. Then it'll get fixed for sure!

    Seeing as it's gov emission standards that were (supposedly) violated, I can't hardly imagine the gov is gonna let people just keep driving 'em. I could be wrong, but if they'll come in with "guns drawn" over raw milk, what's the odds they'll let all these cars just keep violating their emission standards?

    Totally refuse and the EPA might show up at 3AM with a tow truck....and a heavily armed escort. lol
    Maybe not, but I wouldn't put it past 'em.
    Remember, in their eyes, they're saving polar bears. Don't you wanna save the polar bears? Do the right thing and save a polar bear. Take your car in for re-chipping, today! lol
     
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    Take em north and sell em to Canadians if it comes to that
     
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    I wonder how it would stack up in a honest per mile pollution comparison, if prices fall enough I'd be tempted to get a used vw.
     
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    A "properly tuned" vehicle will consume much more fuel than one tuned to actually run, breathe and perform properly. Diesels are especially prone to this problem (and are much more expensive).

    I am not an engineer, but this defies logic and makes no sense to me. Wouldn't more fuel burned equal more smoke? Are the folks at the EPA packing our asses?
     
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    I live in a non-emissions testing state.......be happy to take a 50mpg polluter off your hands for half price.......i can offset it by planting a few trees if it helps you live with it.....god forbid i put farm diesel in it too...
     
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    They have been packing our asses ever since the car companies added smog pumps. A smog pump pumps air into the exhaust diluting the exhaust until the emissions will pass. How much more gas has burned since the late 70's in order to do nothing more than dilute the exhaust? Idiocracy indeed.
     
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    [h=1]BREAKING NEWS: Audi says 2.1million of its diesel cars worldwide are fitted with the emissions cheat devices used by parent company Volkswagen[/h]
    • Nearly 600,000 cars affected in Germany and 13,000 in the U.S., firm admits
    • Model lines implicated in scam include A1, A3, A4, A5, A6, TT, Q3 and Q5
    • Comes after VW admitted 11million cars were fitted with cheating software


    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-like-ones-used-Volkswagen.html#ixzz3n1v3Kq9N
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    Well, there's the little matter of the maintenance inspection included in the price and the 7-year extended warranty.

    I could skip inspection and do it elsewhere but on the off chance something breaks in 7 years, will it be allowed through their facility without the mandatory mod?
     
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    Half a million US Volkswagen owners to get up to $10,000 each plus cost of car in historic $15 billion settlement over emissions
    • Owners of polluting Volkswagen will receive up to $10,000 in compensation and estimated value of the vehicle as of September 2015
    • They can also get compensation if they choose to have the vehicles repaired, assuming US regulators approve a fix at a later date
    • In September, VW disclosed that it had used sophisticated software to evade emissions requirements in nearly 11 million vehicles worldwide
    • Settlement covers buy back, fixing and compensation for almost 500,000 cars bought in US between 2009 and 2015
    • It also includes nearly $5 billion for environmental mitigation and research on zero-emissions technology
    • The settlement still requires a judge's approval before it can go into effect


    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3662966/Volkswagens-U-S-diesel-emissions-settlement-cost-15-bln-source.html#ixzz4CsVIkAoz
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    Too bad Volkswagon isn't a financial institution then they could just replace those engines with a picture of a new engine in it's place and roll the cars off the lot. Downhill (low interest rate) use only.
     
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    If this settlement is valid, then I expect to receive a check for $20K.

    I sure like my Audi A3 Dirty Diesel, but I'm ready for a new (used) truck.
     
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    Latest Update to VW TDI Buyback and Dieselgate ~ Episode 151
    HumbleMechanic



    Published on Jun 30, 2016
    This is the latest update on theVW Diesel "scandal". The news broke that VW lied about emissions on their 4 cylinder TDI cars across the world. Cars were being put in a different ECM strategy for the test.

    Proper VW info ~ https://www.vwcourtsettlement.com

    Join me today as we discuss:
    ~Possible solutions offered
    ~Time frame for buybacks
    ~Will you get money back?
    ~How long will this take?
    ~What is the proper TDI fix?
    ~and more.
     
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    Volkswagon is going to be used as a cash cow by varied government scum for a generation. They could claim bankruptcy in a few years but that would be real. These days expect Volkswagon to take on massive zero interest rate loans as ordered by government scum so they can preserve their cash cow status.
     
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    I bought a new 05 Passat TDI. After replacing two transmissions in 7 years I sold it for $2000. It constantly needed work. Very unhappy VW owner here.
     
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    They are treating VW like the tobacco companies. Watch them rewrite pollution laws after the settlement.
     
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    Que Bono?

    So the Engineer was the one behind it all and he's the one who benefited

    I understand he's a little bit up the flagpole but this feels sacrificial to me
     
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    The disturbing aspect about the whole emissions flap is that VW needed to cheat to be able to meet unrealistic government regulations while still producing a vehicle that people actually want to buy. VW just calculated that it is preferable to risk getting caught and paying a fine than to go broke engineering and building puny, useless crap that no one would buy. And VW isn't the only car company trying to finesse their numbers.

    The real scandal is that we have a bunch of bully bureaucrats in the government- the POTUS included- with no practical engineering experience pulling crazy and random target numbers right out of their asses and then expect car companies to magically fall in line. And it is just getting started. Check out the fantasy numbers for 2025 sometime.

    It's all a charade. Pretend to build cars that meet the pretend targets from a government that pretends to protect the world from a pretend climate change catastrophy.
     
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    I am conjecturing of course, since I do not have access to emissions testing equipment:

    But I am guessing that my "Dirty Diesel" isn't so dirty while I averaging 45 miles per gallon.
     
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    We, here in Tennessee, where they build that car, know exactly why there's such an uproar. Tennessee is a right to work state and when the union tried to unionize the VW plant they were voted down. That's when the trouble started. Something the news doesn't mention.
     
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