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About those Yankees & Slavery

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“…but the inescapable fact that stuck in my craw was: my people had sold me…..My own people had exterminated whole nations and torn families apart for a profit before the strangers got their chance for a cut. It was a sobering thought.” Zora Neale Hurston

The strangers who got their chance for a cut” were the Yankee slavers who were making enormous profits off of the slave trade even as late as the 1860s and had been for over 200 years prior. There never was any such animal as a Southern Slave ship...and when all that wealth from slavery, the cotton trade, their textile mills and sweat shops was safely in Northern Banks the Yankees would have us believe the war was all about freeing the slaves (all the while barring free blacks from moving into many of their Northern states).

“The effects of the New England slave trade were momentous. It was one of the foundations of New England's economic structure; it created a wealthy class of slave-trading merchants, while the profits derived from this commerce stimulated cultural development and philanthropy.” --Lorenzo Johnston Greene, “The Negro in Colonial New England, 1620-1776,”p.319.

New England was by far the leading slave merchant of the American colonial times and beyond. It wasn’t their concern for the slaves but concern for profits that kept them from allowing Southern states to leave the Union peacefully.

The government was just as adept at lying to the citizenry 150 years ago as it is today.

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The strangers who got their chance for a cut” were the Yankee slavers who were making enormous profits off of the slave trade even as late as the 1860s and had been for over 200 years prior.
1860s? Hard to believe.

The 1794 Act ended the legality of American ships participating in the trade. The 1807 law did not change that—it made all importation from abroad, even on foreign ships, a federal crime.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Act_Prohibiting_Importation_of_Slaves

It would not have made any sense at all to import slaves to the north from a logistical point of view after 1808.
 

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States Rights.

The Southern States got fed up with the overbearing control the Northern States had over them. Wanted to do their own thing, right or wrong.

Slavery was only used as a rallying cry of sorts to further the Northern agenda.

I'm certain things were much more complicated, but I think this is a very simple way of looking at it.
 
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Slavery in the South continued as long as it did because it was the ONLY economic besides cotton that the south held against the North. Few in the north understand that numerous slaveholders in the South really wanted to abandon their "peculiar institution". What the north DID understand was that their then continuous and increasingly louder and uglier rhetoric against ALL of the South meaning it had moved beyond being merely anti-slavery, was now bringing MUCH congressional interference, court interference and a HUGE economic losses as well insulting the masses of the WHOLE South well beyond the levels of being called a white racist, or a deplorable these days. This ultimately led to the caning of northern abolitionist, Charles Sumner by South Carolina Democrat, Preston Brooks in 1856.

Beyond states rights as mentioned by WillA2 in the post above, more important was the federal government's obligation to protect, guard and defend property rights. Like it or not, slaves were indeed the property of their owners and nearly all plans to end slavery merely stripped slaveholders of their slaves WITHOUT COMPENSATION. This injury was to be piled on top of all the verbal, social, legal and commercial insults already heaped on the South by abolitionist North, the central government and commercial interests of the North..

Is it any wonder why the South wanted to secede? All that land and ALL that cotton lost would have broken northern exporters and mills. Lincoln had absolutely NO constitutional authority against a secession of the southern states which is why he either conjured or bought into the LIE of "saving the UNION" then PROVOKED a war by sailing a yankee ship into the harbor where heavily armed and manned Fort Sumter was. The monster Lincoln got his wish.

The aftermath of the war of Northern aggression festered in the South until 1980 when the south had turned from democrat to "Kmart Republicans" That's 115 years of festering hatred against the US government, a hatred I dare say is by NO means yet dead.
That spirit of REBELLION, thar spirit of REVOLUTION, that spirit of LIBERTY AND FREEDOM has been kept alive, it has been refined and it has spread far and wide among the the generations and people of this country and the embers of that have fanned to again bright flames today and you see it at those Trump rallies. Even Lincoln's wish embodied in the deceitful Emancipation Proclamation is being realized in #WalkAway and even moreso in #BLEXIT as African-Americans boldly and intrepidly exit the Democrat party leaving the modern plantation and daring to openly be themselves. And the Democrats tremble in pain of loss, uncertainty and FEAR. The America and it's government that we up to 2016 was only for the lying, corrupt elites, the masters of the modern plantation oppressing ALL Americans regardless of race or gender or ethnicity. And that America is being shaken to it's foundations and burning as I type. And IT WILL burn...all the way to the ground and like the mythical Phoenix will arise renewed and refreshed. Tree of Liberty refreshed with blood? Screw that! We are refreshing a whole forest of Liberty trees found in EVERY state of this country.
 

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the oldest synagogue in the united states is in the town that was the hub of slave shipping

just a coincidence, i'm sure
 

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1860s? Hard to believe.

The 1794 Act ended the legality of American ships participating in the trade. The 1807 law did not change that—it made all importation from abroad, even on foreign ships, a federal crime.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Act_Prohibiting_Importation_of_Slaves

It would not have made any sense at all to import slaves to the north from a logistical point of view after 1808.
american flagged ships were not necessary to continue the trade by the same shippers. maritime law is deep and wide

off topic -- the new slavery is MUCH more effective -- their magic money has enslaved all of us. and they dont even have to feed/house/care for us
 

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american flagged ships were not necessary to continue the trade by the same shippers.
With shipping being outlawed by sea in 1808, why smuggle to the north when the plantations were in the south and southerners were more accepting of the practice than Yankees?
 

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as a product of the south -- with deep family roots on one side of my family in tx, la......let me shed some light on the relationship re black/whtie

my ancestors grew up side by side with slaves and their offspring. there was no animosity - it was just life. blacks and whites got along with few issues

the migration of blacks to the north has never reached the level of mutual respect that the south has.

that's why all of the riots/etc between black/white are NEVER in the south.

think about the locations of the riots/crap --- houston? new orleans? atlanta? mississippi? alabama? no, no, no, no, no
 
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With shipping being outlawed by sea in 1808, why smuggle to the north when the plantations were in the south and southerners were more accepting of the practice than Yankees?
1808? were there 'free' states then?

it is well established that the slave shipping was run out of the north - no matter where they were unloading the cargo
 

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My point was there wasn’t much slave trading after the 1800s in the north... other than Maryland.
 

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When I was a kid, I had the inherent racism of the time explained to me this way:

In the South, those in power did not mind how close the African slaves got to them so long as they didn't get too "big".
In the North, those in power didn't mind how "big" the former African slaves got, so long as they didn't get too close.

Now, one of the conveniently, forgotten facts of the old South is there were black slave owners. Some of them, very wealthy. Not politically correct, but true none-the-less. Also, there were many white slaves as well in the old South. Also, conveniently forgotten.

People like to forget that Africans sold Africans into slavery. Britain and other countries placed/sold whites into slavery. No one race or skin color has cornered the market on the evil of slavery. It never a "racial issue" until the united States of America became prosperous enough for communists to fear it. Racism, is a communist issue. IT IS NOT AN ISSUE FOR A FREE PEOPLE. Heck, you may even consider it a continuation of the North/South divide that continues to this day. Socialism/communism has deep roots in the New England region of our country.

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