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Agreed.
 

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Yeah, my argument might not be so nuanced but it doesn't take a 2-1/2 minute video either:

I figure I can vote for a billionaire known for banging porn stars and supermodels or vote for a senile old codger known for sniffing and groping little girls. It's really not any more complicated than that.
 

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One guy stole his money honestly working with gangsters in the traditional American way, the other guy stole his money using the power and influence he gained by being elected to public office that he swore an oath to the Constitution to be able to occupy.

One guy is a real American, he is human, he has a personal moral code that is not given to him by a church, but what he thinks is right and wrong. A lot like me.
The other guy wouldn't know a moral code if it slapped him in the face. He is sexually attracted to little children, and we have no idea how far he has gone, if he thinks it is okay to fondle them on teeeveee.

I guess I should vote Libertarian..... wait.... Matt Bevin was a Libertarian but turned Republican.... He would have won if he had the Libertarian vote.

Maybe a bad idea. I guess I'll vote for Mr. Trump even if he is a deep state plant. At least he provides entertainment and some good belly laughs.

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The best reason to vote for Trump is not who he is but who he isn't: He wasn't Chelsea Clinton's Momma in 2016, and he's not Crazy Creepy Sleepy Touchy-Feely Uncly Joey in 2020.

But I'm voting for Jo Jorgensen: https://jo20.com/

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They (MSM) will be telling us constantly about her if they think she can get even .1% of the vote.
 

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The best reason to vote for Trump is not who he is but who he isn't: He wasn't Chelsea Clinton's Momma in 2016, and he's not Crazy Creepy Sleepy Touchy-Feely Uncly Joey in 2020.

But I'm voting for Jo Jorgensen: https://jo20.com/

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Ever sine the DEM and GOP ganged up and took over the debates from The League of Women Voters the debates have been a sham. JMPO
 

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One guy stole his money honestly working with gangsters in the traditional American way, the other guy stole his money using the power and influence he gained by being elected to public office that he swore an oath to the Constitution to be able to occupy.

One guy is a real American, he is human, he has a personal moral code that is not given to him by a church, but what he thinks is right and wrong. A lot like me.
The other guy wouldn't know a moral code if it slapped him in the face. He is sexually attracted to little children, and we have no idea how far he has gone, if he thinks it is okay to fondle them on teeeveee.

I guess I should vote Libertarian..... wait.... Matt Bevin was a Libertarian but turned Republican.... He would have won if he had the Libertarian vote.

Maybe a bad idea. I guess I'll vote for Mr. Trump even if he is a deep state plant. At least he provides entertainment and some good belly laughs.

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He might have won if he'd had challenge the Vote Count. Supposedly over 5500 voters were found to no longer be living in Kentucky yet voted.
Went unchallenged.
 

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Mysteriously my daughter who is a lib hasn't lived in this state since over a decade ago but just got a card in the mail about voting. Nice huh.
 

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They basically ignored Gary Johnson, who ended up with 3.3% of the vote.
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Keep ignoring that chart I posted brother, and ignoring the results of your actions. You are only one vote and I already canceled it with my vote.
No disrespect intended or implied. Just the facts.
 

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Keep ignoring that chart I posted brother, and ignoring the results of your actions. You are only one vote and I already canceled it with my vote.
No disrespect intended or implied. Just the facts.
Yep. Most L votes will come from the Right, thereby reducing Trump's chances of winning and increasing Biden's chances of winning.

Imho, what we need is for Jill to run again in order siphon off some of Bidens leftists voters.
 

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Keep ignoring that chart I posted brother, and ignoring the results of your actions. You are only one vote and I already canceled it with my vote.
No disrespect intended or implied. Just the facts.
All your chart proves is that the Republicans in that specific area would have won if everyone who voted Libertarian, voted Republican instead.
Your chart does not prove that those who voted Libertarian would have otherwise voted Republican. But aside from that, the Republicans need to start being more pro-liberty, and more small government. That's exactly why people vote Libertarian instead.
 

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Trump or Biden it doesn’t matter, nothing changes. All this time and energy wasted on who’s going to be the next sock puppet meanwhile the apparatus continues to move forward as scheduled. If you didn’t have Fox News and social media telling you different you’d realize your pathetic little lives were the same under Clinton & Obama as they were under Bush & Trump.
 

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Yep. Most L votes will come from the Right, thereby reducing Trump's chances of winning and increasing Biden's chances of winning.

Imho, what we need is for Jill to run again in order siphon off some of Bidens leftists voters.
If there was no "L" on the ballot. the vast majority of philosophical Libertarians would not vote for EITHER of the two evils.

The fact is there has been a Libertarian presidential candidate on all 50 state ballots or nearly so for the last 48 years. We ain't going away, despite the oppressive and unconstitutional ballot access laws passed hand in hand by the Repukes and Demoncraps.

Donkey and Elephant candidates are NOT entitled to anybody's vote. If they can't convince Libertarians to vote for them, that's their problem, not the Libertarians problem.

Jill isn't running this time, but some lunatic stooge named Howie (not Howard) Hawkins is the Greenie candidate this year.
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Trump or Biden it doesn’t matter, nothing changes. All this time and energy wasted on who’s going to be the next sock puppet meanwhile the apparatus continues to move forward as scheduled. If you didn’t have Fox News and social media telling you different you’d realize your pathetic little lives were the same under Clinton & Obama as they were under Bush & Trump.
You think CNN, MSNBC, ABC,. CBS, ABC, NPR ETC aren't dishing out the same propaganda from the other side?
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You think CNN, MSNBC, ABC,. CBS, ABC, NPR ETC aren't dishing out the same propaganda from the other side?
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Not at all, it’s all propaganda or programming whatever you want to call it. I just reference Fox due to the fact that this forum unfortunately still has a lot of Hannity & Levin worshippers.
 

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Donkey and Elephant candidates are NOT entitled to anybody's vote.
I'm not saying they are. Just that the "L's" tend to draw more votes from the Right than they do from the Left. A higher percentage voting for the L this time means it's more likely to help Biden to win. Kinda like how Perot helped Clinton to win by splitting the conservative vote in '92.
 

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Libertarians will never get a majority vote because they have too many nut cases always running, and they get all the press.
Right or Wrong the stigma is strong.
 

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Yep. Most L votes will come from the Right, thereby reducing Trump's chances of winning and increasing Biden's chances of winning.

Imho, what we need is for Jill to run again in order siphon off some of Bidens leftists voters.
Bingo. Did I mention I am a registered democrat?
 

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If there was no "L" on the ballot. the vast majority of philosophical Libertarians would not vote for EITHER of the two evils.

The fact is there has been a Libertarian presidential candidate on all 50 state ballots or nearly so for the last 48 years. We ain't going away, despite the oppressive and unconstitutional ballot access laws passed hand in hand by the Repukes and Demoncraps.

Donkey and Elephant candidates are NOT entitled to anybody's vote. If they can't convince Libertarians to vote for them, that's their problem, not the Libertarians problem.

Jill isn't running this time, but some lunatic stooge named Howie (not Howard) Hawkins is the Greenie candidate this year.
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I agree with everything you wrote and still do. Except the first sentence. It does not compute with my personal acquaintance with big L libertarians and certainly not with little l. But that's me, and that's what they tell me.
I was a busy man in 2010 but I drove to a couple of gun shows and manned a booth for hours explaining who Rand Paul was, what he wanted to do, and to beg for support. I sat in a basement with total strangers, using my personal cell as was everybody else, at a stranger's house, calling Eastern Kentucky voters and explaining in great detail who Rand Paul was and answering every single question in detail. On a beautiful Sunday afternoon that I could have spent with my son, and I am sure the other people had the same things to do. Oddly, we were a mixed bunch from every local type of person. Real communication problem northern guy by birth trying desperately to understand a thick accent [to me]. Great people I met on that phone, patient with me, decent, honest Americans. WE WON. I am still in shock to this day. Arguably the best Senator we have in Congress, period. I mean the whole county, the best out of 50. All you other states, show me what you got better.
 

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Best argument for Trump 2020? No matter what you think of Trump and his strange personality, it comes down to this, it’s either four more years of DJT, his strange tweeting habits and the hope he can do more good, or it’s Creepy Joe Biden and his demented mind, plus every crazy mad idea every Marxist ever hoped to implement in this country. Because Joe won’t be in charge! It will be all the authoritarian slave-state SOB’s that you and I and everybody with a functioning brain hates, for their anti-American, anti-constitutional, anti-freedom, anti-family, anti-God, anti-common sense ideas. It seems pretty simple to me.
 

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It seems pretty simple to me also. That is all. I'm leafing.
 

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I agree with everything you wrote and still do. Except the first sentence. It does not compute with my personal acquaintance with big L libertarians and certainly not with little l. But that's me, and that's what they tell me.
Well, all I can tell you is that my first-hand experience with recruiting new people to the Libertarian Party in two states is that more come from the Left than the Right.

There are three main hot button issues for Disaffected Democrats that draws them to the LP:
drug legalization, (not just weed)
ending the undeclared wars around the world.
ending the ban on same-sex marriage.

Those who come to the LP from the right do so on two main issues:
gun rights
limited government/fiscal responsibility.

I don't disagree that the numbers of defectors to the LP from the right or left varies across the country.

The overriding point is that every other democratic republics around the world has 3-4-5-6 different "major" political parties to choose from. This lack of choice in the US is the overriding reason why the US has the lowest voter turnout rate of any country. The BIG TWO ate both losers.
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Best argument for Trump 2020? No matter what you think of Trump and his strange personality, it comes down to this, it’s either four more years of DJT, his strange tweeting habits and the hope he can do more good, or it’s Creepy Joe Biden and his demented mind, plus every crazy mad idea every Marxist ever hoped to implement in this country. Because Joe won’t be in charge! It will be all the authoritarian slave-state SOB’s that you and I and everybody with a functioning brain hates, for their anti-American, anti-constitutional, anti-freedom, anti-family, anti-God, anti-common sense ideas. It seems pretty simple to me.
Yep, because that sure did happen under 8 years of Obama and Clinton.

Please stop watching the Mark Levin show.
 

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I have no idea what Disaffected Democrats have as hot button issues, I don't waste time on them and I never met one while working with the Libertarians in Kentucky or with the Kentucky members of the Campaign for Liberty. Period. I disagree with most everything you posted sir. I would like to address those points you made however, at least one, the last one, is critical.

There are three main hot button issues for Disaffected Democrats that draws them to the LP:
drug legalization, (not just weed)
ending the undeclared wars around the world.
ending the ban on same-sex marriage.

Point one: Drug legalization not just weed. Sounds right, sounds libertarian, and I personally agree.

Point two: They seem to be fine with undeclared wars as a party, as long as a Democrat is sitting in the White House. Don't buy your argument, I believe they say that (if they do) because a non-Democrat is in the White House. It disappears as an issue for Democrats the day after an election if they win. There could of course be individual exceptions, but they prove the rule. I never heard a peep from a Democrat of any stripe against endless war while ObaMao was in office. Period. While he was murdering Americans abroad with impunity with Drones, because of God knows what reason, including a minor child that never committed a single crime, solely because of the old "Blood Corruption" bullshite. None were sitting under Capital crime charges, he personally bragged about the murders in public and NPR also did the same, pushing ObaMao as a hero.

Point three the big one: ending the ban on same-sex marriage. Bullshit. A REAL libertarian, big or small L, wants government marriage completely removed from the hands of government at all levels. as far as marriage is concerned. For every human being. It is not the business of government at any level, it is a individual personal choice, for whatever reason people do it. A REAL libertarian, big or small L, understands that standard contract law can handle any and all legal issues that people may have with a partnership.

If you agree with what you say they tell you in point two or three, rather than being just a conduit for what you have heard directly from the horse's mouth, right or wrong, I personally have the opinion that you, sir, are no libertarian, big L or small l. If you don't agree and are merely a reporter, I retract my comment and apologize to you for saying it.

As for this everything would be peachy if we just had a dozen political parties, in fact we have hundreds. However, we have one party that runs the entire show: The Statist Party. It has many wings, the big two the D team and the R team, the smaller teams have letters like the L team, the DS team, the CPA team, etc.
 
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Yep, because that sure did happen under 8 years of Obama and Clinton.

Please stop watching the Mark Levin show.
Obama and Biden did their damage.
And I don’t watch Levin.
 

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Altough my experience is from the opposite direction, I agree with you.

Well, all I can tell you is that my first-hand experience with recruiting new people to the Libertarian Party in two states is that more come from the Left than the Right.
I was very involved with Ron Paul's 2008 and 2012 election runs, and I spent a great deal of working locally with the RP campaign volunteers.

When Bernie showed up for the 2016 run, just about every one of the youngsters (35 and younger) I knew who supported RP literally ran for Bernie.

The oldsters like me went for Trump or Gary Johnson.
 

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I have no idea what Disaffected Democrats have as hot button issues, I don't waste time on them and I never met one while working with the Libertarians in Kentucky or with the Kentucky members of the Campaign for Liberty. Period. I disagree with most everything you posted sir. I would like to address those points you made however, at least one, the last one, is critical.

There are three main hot button issues for Disaffected Democrats that draws them to the LP:
drug legalization, (not just weed)
ending the undeclared wars around the world.
ending the ban on same-sex marriage.

Point one: Drug legalization not just weed. Sounds right, sounds libertarian, and I personally agree.

Point two: They seem to be fine with undeclared wars as a party, as long as a Democrat is sitting in the White House. Don't buy your argument, I believe they say that (if they do) because a non-Democrat is in the White House. It disappears as an issue for Democrats the day after an election if they win. There could of course be individual exceptions, but they prove the rule. I never heard a peep from a Democrat of any stripe against endless war while ObaMao was in office. Period. While he was murdering Americans abroad with impunity with Drones, because of God knows what reason, including a minor child that never committed a single crime, solely because of the old "Blood Corruption" bullshite. None were sitting under Capital crime charges, he personally bragged about the murders in public and NPR also did the same, pushing ObaMao as a hero.

Point three the big one: ending the ban on same-sex marriage. Bullshit. A REAL libertarian, big or small L, wants government marriage completely removed from the hands of government at all levels. as far as marriage is concerned. For every human being. It is not the business of government at any level, it is a individual personal choice, for whatever reason people do it. A REAL libertarian, big or small L, understands that standard contract law can handle any and all legal issues that people may have with a partnership.

If you agree with what you say they tell you in point two or three, rather than being just a conduit for what you have heard directly from the horse's mouth, right or wrong, I personally have the opinion that you, sir, are no libertarian, big L or small l. If you don't agree and are merely a reporter, I retract my comment and apologize to you for saying it.

As for this everything would be peachy if we just had a dozen political parties, in fact we have hundreds. However, we have one party that runs the entire show: The Statist Party. It has many wings, the big two the D team and the R team, the smaller teams have letters like the L team, the DS team, the CPA team, etc.
Well, we are free to disagree. Libertarians agree on that.:D

Point 3. I agree, there is no role whatsoever for politicians in defining what "marriage" is. But most people who want "equality" for gays, their thinking doesn't take them that far. That is the selling point for libertarianism, that marriage, and ten thousand other things, are none of the politicians' and bureaucrats' business..

I never said anything about hundreds of political parties, and I never said that would make things Peachy. All I want (for a start) is more than a binary choice of the lesser of two evils.
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The overriding point is that every other democratic republics around the world has 3-4-5-6 different "major" political parties to choose from. This lack of choice in the US is the overriding reason why the US has the lowest voter turnout rate of any country. The BIG TWO ate both losers.
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The peachy thing and hundreds (you used the example of 3-4-5-6) was from me that is true, I was trying to use an example of what is actually true in the United States not exactly addressing the numbers you used, I tried to express that yes, we do not have 3-4-5-6 parties, we have hundreds (maybe a huge exaggeration), I did not know honesty how many parties there are when I wrote that, so I looked it up and Ballotpedia says: "As of September 2019, there were 224 state-level ballot-qualified political party affiliates in the United States - For example, both the Democratic Party and the Republican Party are recognized in all 50 states and Washington, D.C. These two parties account for 102 of the 224 total state-level parties. Three minor parties were recognized in more than 10 states as of September 2019:
  1. Libertarian Party: 37 states
  2. Green Party: 26 states
  3. Constitution Party: 14 states
Although there are dozens of political parties in the United States, only certain parties qualify to have the names of their candidates for office printed on election ballots."

So depending on how you define it, there are at least multiple dozens of political parties in the United States today. The list on the page for 2018 showed 229 political parties that had ballot-qualified state-level political parties in the United States. Of course, this total includes the 102 state level parties affiliated with the R Team and the D Team. I guess this addresses the issue, and yes, you didn't say hundreds, you said:

every other democratic republics around the world has 3-4-5-6 different "major" political parties to choose from.

Most have populations from smaller to much smaller than the United States and if you have 6 different parties on the ballot in a country of 20 million for example, how would it even possible for all of them to be "major parties" My tiny experience of this type of thing in Europe is that two or three parties attach themselves to one major party or the other side major party, they agree on most things except a single major issue. So you have fractional voting blocs that align together or not depending on election results and what they are trying to stop or start. That is why we hear all the time of gridlock in governing countries over there. I know that there was a period of time in Belgium where nobody was "in charge" for years, that does not mean there was anarchy or nothing at all got done. This is certainly not the American way (right or wrong) and the Constitution was not set up for that, in fact, correct me if I am wrong, Political Parties are not addressed AT ALL in the Constitution and at least some founders despised political parties. Also many of those "democratic republics" (many are not republics at all) don't have a powerful executive branch - the guy we would think of as the equivalent of our President does not have anywhere near the power and many are ceremonial figureheads that only have influence over the legislative branch and little to no power to directly change a thing. That is as far as I know how it goes. Maybe I am wrong in some minor detail, but you should be able to understand what I am saying. Some executives are not directly elected at all, they are voted on or selected by agreement of some kind by the controlling party blocs.

As to "peachy", you said "This lack of choice in the US is the overriding reason why the US has the lowest voter turnout rate of any country." You did not say peachy at all, and didn't even lean that way. I have no problem withdrawing it and agree that you are right, I did not address your comment at all but my quick interpretation of your comment. My error 100%, you are correct. On the other hand, I don't think this is the overriding reason why we have a low turn out rate, and I don't agree we have the lowest voter turnout rate of any country. Prove it (lowest turnout rate of any country). Patently false.

Some countries have mandatory voting some countries use fear and intimidation to drive voters to vote some countries stop some people from voting while making others vote it's all over the map.

We have one of the lowest turnout rates of DEVELOPED COUNTRIES and of course that depends on what you call developed countries.

The most amazing thing to me about Iraq and Saddam Hussien, he held an election shortly before the invasion by the USA. I believe that voter turnout was about 100%, but he did not get 100% of the votes. He got something like 98.7%. I remarked at the time that I would love to meet that person who had the balls to vote against him, if he was still alive.

Well, we are free to disagree. Libertarians agree on that.:D

Point 3. I agree, there is no role whatsoever for politicians in defining what "marriage" is. But most people who want "equality" for gays, their thinking doesn't take them that far. That is the selling point for libertarianism, that marriage, and ten thousand other things, are none of the politicians' and bureaucrats' business..

I never said anything about hundreds of political parties, and I never said that would make things Peachy. All I want (for a start) is more than a binary choice of the lesser of two evils.
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We agree on marriage, great. They don't. They want government enforcement and approval of their partnership choices and the power of the government used to make people accept their personal choices, and that is not the libertarian way.
If you or the party encouraged those Democrats to vote Libertarian based on that, or allowed them to believe that was the party platform, you were wrong IMHO.

Nice chatting with you sir.
 

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The Best Argument for Mr. Trump 2020 is the American People first, the future of humanity second. If and or when there is a national election or it gets deeper, we will have to chose. To be brief, we will have only three results.

A. Mr. Trump wins.
B. The D Team Wins.
C. Nobody wins and somebody takes power something like what happened after Gaius Julius Caesar was assassinated on the floor of the Senate by Senators that we are told by history believed they were saving the Republic.

I want A and I think a lot of you do too, maybe for a completely reason, obviously I am speaking to those on the fence or at this time will not vote for him. I am not preaching to the choir, I do not need to convince you. If you do not know about the history of Rome than you better start reading right now, and make sure the first thing you research is what was going on in Rome during the death of the Republic. Most of us are more familiar with what happened after, the longest time which was the Roman Empire after Caesar. I will not educate you, that's up to you, I don't care about you if you are a useful idiot, I won't waste my time.

If the D Team wins, choice B, the experiment is over and a form of herd slavery will come over the United States. It will be quick and painful and bloody in the end. How bloody? I don't know. The D Team will win in the end and have their way for at least 70 years. Maybe for much longer. It will have roots in the USSR but combine elements of Mao's China and Nixon's China as in place today, esp in the tech area. Meaning we will be treated as human cattle, but way worse than China today. The mark of the beast 666 will be reality and Revelations will have been written about us, the time has come. Scary. I don't want this.

If choice C comes about, we will be something like the Roman Empire but the science fiction version. Who knows, maybe that would actually be the best thing for humanity and our best hope. I honestly don't know. I personally don't want this path but if it is this or the D Team, choice B, I want this.

If choice A comes about one battle to try to get a smaller government more tied down by following the Constitution. It will be but one battle won in a war that could go on for a 100 years or more to try to be the Republic the Founders envisioned. The Experiment, only tried once before, but more refined than Rome. I want this because it is to me the most hopeful option, slim as the chance may be.

So don't vote and let everybody else decide, vote for candidates who don't have a chance of winning no matter what happens, or vote for Mr. Trump. If you are in the other two groups you are actually voting for the D Team. Demographics and voting corruption can only be overcome by massive votes for Mr. Trump, much like when he was elected. You are a member of the D Team. Period.