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What's your intended purpose? It's not really a safe it's really just a small fire resistant box with a dial.
 

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http://prephappy.com/organizing-your-preps/6-ways-hide-valuables-plain-sight/

6 Ways to Hide Valuables in Plain Sight
Featured, Organizing Your Preps DANGER, Diversion Safes, DIY, Jack Daniels, Photo Credits Heating, PVC, Special Mention, Special Mention Bonus



Hide Valuables in Plain Sight
You’ve got some good stuff in your house. Stuff you don’t want the washer repairman to see, stuff you don’t want the housekeeping service to take note of. It might be ammo, coins, guns, bottles of Jack Daniels. Important stuff.
You’ve considered a safe. But they’re expensive and well, they’re also a target. Any invader knows that’s where the really good stuff is.
You’ve considered a home security system. But it’s useless when the power is out.
What about a dog? We all love our dogs, but most are more of a warning system than a way to hide gold coins.
What about just finding a way to hide valuables in plain sight?

Absolutely.

Here’s 6 ideas on how to hide your valuables using ordinary items you may already have hanging around. Just remember to create a dummy safe – buy a used one and put some bricks in it. This will keep a burglar busy.

1. Install false ductwork
False ductwork can conceal a lot of things – especially long, skinny things. And they can be placed anywhere – just run them horizontally so you can reach your stuff when you need it.

2. Create a false electrical panel
Create a false electrical panel in your garage and use it for hiding valuables. Many panels are lockable and the average thief wouldn’t take the time and energy to pry a lock off an electrical panel. Add a “DANGER” sticker on it to add further dissuasion (here’s some fun “danger” stickers you could use for this and other dissuasive purposes).
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3. Re-purpose an old vacuum cleaner
Remove as many of the innards as makes sense. Store it next to your daily vacuum, with a note attached that says “Donation – Thrift Store”. Easily accessible and a burglar wouldn’t think twice about a dusty old vacuum slated for the thrift store.

4. Make a false candle
Melt candle wax in a double boiler. Pour some of the wax into a heatproof glass. Embed your valuables (wrap them up in some plastic first) into the center, and pour wax around and on top of your stash. Don’t make the candle fancy or with a lovely scent – burglars come in all forms, and you don’t want to tempt a woman. Here’s a pre-made candle safe if you don’t have the patience to DIY it (would make a good gift for a non-prepper as well).
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5. Hollow out a pool table
How much guns and ammo do you suppose a pool table would hold easily? It would be a ton. And commercial pool tables often have a locking door on one side, making it easy to stash small things too. This could also be done with an old video game machine that was no longer working.
A Rubik’s cube safe is a small, portable way to hide your stash in a game as well.

6. Install a PVC drain in the floor
Take a length of PVC pipe, and plug one side. Cut a hole in your concrete floor and insert the pipe. Seal and cap it with a plumber’s test plug. It will look like an access point to your sewer line. Just make sure you can get down to the bottom of it – so don’t make it too long. You can buy all sorts of PVC pipe and accessories online
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Special Mention Bonus
When I was doing my research, I found this cool way to hide a SD Card— this little safe looks exactly like a coin. And it comes different countries’ currencies as well. It deserves a peek if you have an extra moment – you’ll want to see it!

Diversion Safes
I also ran across a couple of diversion safes that have very high ratings. Ratings on diversion safes are important – you want something that really works! My personal favorite is a can of Ajax (you know, the stuff you clean your sink with). Sprinkle a bit of the real stuff on the top to make it look real.
My other favorite is this set of hollowed out books. The company uses all sorts of different dull titles for it’s book safes. Very smart and they have great ratings (4/5 stars from 44 people at the time of this writing).
Photo Credits: Heating duct, Electrical panel, Vaccum cleaners, Pool table, Candle, Drain in floor
More ways to hide valuables in plain sight:
A great little book for those of you who can DIY things.
The classic diversion safe. Sprinkle some Ajax on top for authenticity.
This company is smart enough to put safes in different books with dull titles.
 

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You might want to bolt it down because a thief will just carry it away if he cant open it right there.
 

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It's within my budget and has a underwriters laboratory 1 hour label. I also recognize the name as high end security gardall. Reminds me of armored money trucks lol. First alert,brinks, sentry are some others I've heard of but have lower quality safes as the retail stores.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Gardall-MS...080194?hash=item2a6ab82802:g:qj0AAOSwjVVV3GdM
safes are cool, there are plenty of ways to hide a safe also and if loaded to the gills, and hidden properly, it will take too long to handle and first they'll have to find it

Besides, I've got my safes under nearly 24 hour armed protection, there's usually always someone around
who's armed, or one will be near-by and as far as tearing your house apart to create safe spaces, your comes with that all spelled out

what I've found, some of the models I've played with are not as water proof as I had expected. water spilled on top of one, one day, and I noticed not as much water ended up on the floor, at least as much as I expected, so I opened up the door to find some pooled on the floor of the safe

there are so many methods to protect one's booty, don't let anyone tell you any one way is better than any other way

in fact, i suggest using a few methods, plain sight, common sense outta-sight, safe, safe-deposit-box, buried, etc

you'll eventually figure out something that will work and you'll have put it all together, over time
 

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Geeze buck you make it sound like fort knox.

I'm having flashbacks to the "metals in the storage facility" larp!
 

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Geeze buck you make it sound like fort knox.

I'm having flashbacks to the "metals in the storage facility" larp!
Options, that's all, I sorta congealed what I gathered from reading here and elsewhere
I like to check things out so, I've tried a few, use a few, discarded a few ways, eh, like always, i have trouble choosing the winning horse

and my boat sank so, one night, i tossed all my boxes and safes and tubes in with it



i had to bring the tubes ashore, they floated
:secret:
 

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Don't lose the map!
 

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It's within my budget and has a underwriters laboratory 1 hour label. I also recognize the name as high end security gardall. Reminds me of armored money trucks lol. First alert,brinks, sentry are some others I've heard of but have lower quality safes as the retail stores.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Gardall-MS...080194?hash=item2a6ab82802:g:qj0AAOSwjVVV3GdM
You are on the right track, but you should save a little bit longer and go for the Gardall FB series.
And be sure to bolt it down like a sumbitch. Either through a wood floor and into a chunk of 4x4 or best right into concrete.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Gardall-FB...930596?hash=item3fa9a26024:g:kfcAAOSwuTxbg9f7
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Gardall-FB...811173&hash=item41eb9ffd82:g:EIgAAOSwHn9bg9rL

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I was a shoppin for a special tool one afternoon, found a fridge disguised as a snap on tool box

It might not blow up, but, you might die from the smell!
 

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Another solid option is a Gardall B Rated Moneychest series if you don't want the added fireproof insulation of the Gardall FB. I like that the FB will keep paper from burning for an hour or more.
Either way as long as nobody can put it on a blanket and slide it up/down stairs and out the door, they ain't getting into it.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Gardall-B2...m=271275750946&_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851

Gardall B rated Money Chest



Gardall FB Series Burglary-Rated 1 Hour Fire Safe

 

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They didn't bolt the safe down. I'm on a concrete slab. And the one he broke into was from local retail stores, a cheapo. No real ratings or warranty.

Something that is underwriters laboratory rated will lock your own self out and you'll be needing a specialist locksmith to collaborate with the safes warranty department.
 

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Congrats, that is a safe. Most things that are called safes nowadays are little more than a lunch box with a flimsy lock.
The glass break relocker and drill proof plates makes it a good choice too.
262 pounds nobody is going to go jogging out the door with it but it still needs to be bolted down.

From what I read if I needed a safe that would be a good solid choice. But I'm poor fecker on food stamps so I don't.


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I did a LOT of DYODD on this subject.

My 10-cent summary: Liberty safes are the best for the least. There are better safes, no error, but there is a quantum jump in price.

Check out this head-to-head test:

 

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One has to have a college degree to be that fucking stupid. They should have installed little wheels under the safe so the burglers could just skateboard out the door with it.
Insurance is going to laugh at them too, or figure it was an inside job to scam them out of a settlement.


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I did a LOT of DYODD on this subject.

My 10-cent summary: Liberty safes are the best for the least. There are better safes, no error, but there is a quantum jump in price.

Check out this head-to-head test:

Notice on all of these break into a safe videos the safe breakers have plenty of room? 1/2 of a safe's security is putting it someplace that is cramped and hard to get to.


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Congrats, that is a safe. Most things that are called safes nowadays are little more than a lunch box with a flimsy lock.
The glass break relocker and drill proof plates makes it a good choice too.
262 pounds nobody is going to go jogging out the door with it but it still needs to be bolted down.

From what I read if I needed a safe that would be a good solid choice. But I'm poor fecker on food stamps so I don't.


.:2 thumbs up:
And besides, you don't need a safe when you lost all of your PMs in a boating accident, for the umpteenth time.
 

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Follow newmisty's post #3, if you truly want to keep valuables safe !!!

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A SAFE "SAFE" , THIS IS WHAT YOUR FEDERAL GOVERNMENT CAN & WILL DO WITHOUT A VALID SEARCH WARRANT !!!!!!
AS MANY OF OUR MEMBERS KNOW, I HAVE POSTED THESE FEDERAL PHOTOS BEFORE & I WILL POST THEM EVERY TIME THIS SUBJECT COMES UP !!
:totally steamed:

THEY EVEN BROKE OFF ONE HANDLE, TRYING TO MOVE IT.

fed photo of my safe #1.jpg


FAT FUCKING FED AGENT. THEY THREW THE COUCH AROUND LIKE TRASH, IN A ROOM BIG ENOUGH TO SIMPLY SLIDE IT OUT OF THE WAY, NOTE PART OF COUCH IN LOWER RIGHT CORNER OF PHOTO. THEY ARE ARROGANT FUCKERS !!!
fed photo of my safe #2 with fucking fed agents gut  !!!.png
 

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I know....give me your money, I will keep it safe!
 

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Follow newmisty's post #3, if you truly want to keep valuables safe !!!

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A SAFE "SAFE" , THIS IS WHAT YOUR FEDERAL GOVERNMENT CAN & WILL DO WITHOUT A VALID SEARCH WARRANT !!!!!!
AS MANY OF OUR MEMBERS KNOW, I HAVE POSTED THESE FEDERAL PHOTOS BEFORE & I WILL POST THEM EVERY TIME THIS SUBJECT COMES UP !!
:totally steamed:

THEY EVEN BROKE OFF ONE HANDLE, TRYING TO MOVE IT.

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FAT FUCKING FED AGENT. THEY THREW THE COUCH AROUND LIKE TRASH, IN A ROOM BIG ENOUGH TO SIMPLY SLIDE IT OUT OF THE WAY, NOTE PART OF COUCH IN LOWER RIGHT CORNER OF PHOTO. THEY ARE ARROGANT FUCKERS !!!
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The lesson that I learned from reading your posts is to have a decoy safe in an obvious spot, maybe keep a few hundred bucks in $20s or whatever to make it look legit, and hide the real stash much more creatively.
 

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Muj, that is a great plan ! Just make it a cheap safe ! :holding hands:
 

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Sorry DD, I see this safe as junk & far easier to bust open. They brag about 1.00 diameter bolts & show 4 per side WTF !!
My safe, a Liberty, supposed top quality, has 7 bolts per side & they are 1.5 inches in diameter !!!!
And the fucking fed's got into mine, it would take much less effort to get into a johnsonsafe !!

Safes, for us lowly citizens, are a joke - no matter who makes them !

I again refer everyone back to newmisty's post #3 !!!!


Photos from their website, except for my safe.



safe.jpg


They look alike on the outside BUT inside, they are totally different, AND none are "safe" !!!


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TAZ --

I remember those pix of your ex-safe.

I wanted to ask at the time: Howcum they din' just ask you to open the safe so's it wouldn't get ruined?

Regarding how "safe" a safe is... Well, it's a term like "waterproof".

I have watched steel being cut using only water. So in the end, nothing is "safe" or "waterproof" or "crushproof", etc. But a good quality safe (while not able to withstand car-crushers, acetylene torches, and thug Feds) will hold up a bazillion times better than a locked footlocker.

The guys in the video I posted opened a cheap safe with a hammer, screwdriver, and a jimmy bar in twenty-one (21) seconds. YIKES. But after five full minutes, they were still unable to budge the Liberty. Oh, they'd get it after a long enough time, but give ME enough time and I can get into Fort Knox right through the door...

If there is a fire... and yer place burns down... that safe will likely outlast the flames, keeping stuff inside protected.
 

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Unca, it was my safe, but it was in my son's home, the arrogant fed's arrested my son 1 block from his home & took him to jail, the warrant was invalid, as it was missing the court seal & signature of the court clerk, absolutely required to validate the warrant. They choose to call the fire dept. who opened it.
BTW, the invalid warrant did not list a safe NOR any mention of PM's, by any verbiage. If needed I can redact names & send a copy of the warrant.
Here is the federal law that was violated. It made no matter to the fed court, the judge ignored it. BTW, the flag had a gold fringe - maritime law !!!!
28 U.S. Code § 1691 - Seal and teste of process
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All writs and process issuing from a court of the United States shall be under the seal of the court and signed by the clerk thereof.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 646, 62 Stat. 945.)
 

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Taz -- You are a much nicer guy than I am.
 

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You know what they say about locks. they keep out honest people! Nobody said that "the feds" are honest people. I can open any safe by destroying it.

There is no safe that can't be destroyed!

The Fire Dept destroyed your safe. That means they are a competent fire dept. not that you had a bad safe!
 

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FED's breaking into safes sound very disturbing. Thanks for the wake-up......... I'm not going to sleep well tonight. I'll check my safe on it's construction.
 

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The real question is why did they have a search warrant and besides breaking the safe did they actually illegally seize any goods?

I find it hard to believe feds target wealthy people with safes just to rob. I mean I understand there is corruptness in all professions and all walks of life but this is one of those more to the story then being said.

I would worry more about a gold confiscation again. Where it could give the feds a legal right to rob you.
 

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2 minutes is too long. I can get in any safe inside of 30 seconds without explosives
 

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There is a viral video on youtube of one using a powerful neodymium magnet to manipulate the mechanism. But again this is on cheap safes from wal-mart and home depot and the like. Not ones rated by underwriters laboratory where it's scientifically tested. It's how commercial business's operate and how insurance gives quotes and claims. Kind of like how a auto insurer will discount polices when the owner has a garage.
 

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It takes them longer than I thought it would but that's how I would do it.

The point is that now you have to defeat hydraulics.