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Kurdish betrayal...how many pieces of silver did we get?

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Wow, I wonder what we sold them for?
 

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It’s not our (American taxpayers) job to protect them.
 

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some here have trumpeted for years how the US should be outta everywhere...

here we are, it's happening and some are sad

Others, especially those who ascribe to the idea of 'we're abanding the world', they state we shouldn't be anywhere, yet they poke the belly of those who cry...talk about confused...

Where's the sympathy???> you get what you wanted...are you confused?

You were given what you asked for...


where's the Respect???!

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Every resistance movement should understand that all outside support will come with hooks.

Added: I think it should be obvious that any group getting support SHOULD EXPECT that their sponsor will change their mind and "betray" them. But it is NOT "betrayal", it is just a slight change of priorities. "Sorry about that, but thanks for your prior service."
 
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My question is " What was the trade"? I know we got something.
 

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https://www.foxnews.com/world/turkey-syria-invasion-special-forces-soldier-kurds
Kurdish forces in northeastern Syria are guarding thousands of captured Islamic State (ISIS) fighters, now without the help of the U.S. in the area.

TRUMP 'WENT OFF SCRIPT' DURING CALL WITH ERDOGAN, SENIOR MILITARY SOURCE REVEALS

The Special Forces member said the Kurds have not left their positions guarding detainees. In fact, “they prevented a prison break last night without us," the military source on the front line said. “They are not abandoning our side [yet]."

"The Turks are hitting outside the security mechanism," according to the source, who said the Kurds are "pleading for our support."

The American troops are doing “nothing," the source lamented. "Just sitting by and watching it unfold.”
 

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1000 troops coming home.....hmmmm , I wonder if they will just be shuffled around to one of the other areas in the ME...

15,000 troops in Kuwait
14,000 Afghanistan
10,000 Qatar
7,000 Bahrain
5,200 Iraq
5,000 United Arab Emirates

Me thinks this Turkey deal is just a move to pacify the voters and won’t really change much in the ME...



There are about 1,000 U.S. troops in northern Syria, and a senior U.S. official said they will pull back from the area — and potentially depart the country entirely, should widespread fighting break out between Turkish and Kurdish forces.

The White House statement on Sunday also said Turkey will take custody of foreign fighters captured in the U.S.-led campaign against IS who have been held by the Kurdish forces.

The Kurds have custody of thousands of captured Islamic State militants. They include about 2,500 highly dangerous foreign fighters from Europe and elsewhere — their native countries have been reluctant to take them back — and about 10,000 captured fighters from Syria and Iraq.

Kurdish officials have expressed concerns of a possible breakout by IS prisoners in case of fighting in the area.
 

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bullshit!
we wasn't given what we asked for
this is just a little pissy-assed conflict
let's skate on all the money eaters.
(No disrespect intended, buck)
BF
Look i'm there too...i've been told it's patience i need...

I always look like i'm eating my own, i'm not, but if we're going to 'achieve' anything, let's get as many back home as we can...

I'm kinda pissed we seem to be leaving the Kurds by themselves, but, i'm kinda feeling assured, they ain't alone, no one in the ME can sustain much without US weapons involvement...no one has ever seemed to be able to sustain any prolonged anything w/o Russian or American involvement...

Russia ain't interested and again, I'm aboard - let them have Turkey too...Turkey has played 'big boy' for so long, let them eat cake...little bitches don't know what's going to hit them as they aren't a 'stand alone' player and the Ruskies don't have the long term funds to babysit them...

Kurds will do just fine, US chem labs outta Syria, basically, the US is partially de-coupled and it appears to be decoupling more by the day...

One / Two / Three little soldiers coming home, Four / Five / Six little soldiers coming home...each one saves a life and save me, the taxper, what, about a million dollars or so??? idk

I'm kinda grinding on those who say it ain't enough...maybe not, but it's something...no time to bitch other than to say: It needs to be more...not that anyone was 'abandoned'...let's get them all home unless someone wants to pay and they should pay biggley and we should supply them righteously...and make a profit...

and in fact, it was an aimed response, by me, you weren't my target. trust me
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im not libertarian, i'm more conservative, i hate to pay for something i already have
 

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The United States is NOT the police force for the world.

We have gone broke trying to do so and have probably caused as much bad as good doing so...

The other countries in the world need to step up and handle their own business. The citizens of the world need to step up and demand governance that encourages their individual freedom and an environment conducive to positive growth. The corruption, and mindless pursuits of power and domination over others needs to stop.

The people of the world need to take charge of their leaders to ensure ethical, moral and competent governance...
 

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Wow, I wonder what we sold them for?
We cut off the bleeding. Financing that nonsense is what Trump said he would end.

It's not our problem anymore...
 

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Yeah, well any of those that depend on the USofA for support didn't learn a damn thing from that Vietnam debacle now did they? We need to stay out of all that shit in the first place, not just pour blood and money into some shit hole only to cut and run.

If they wouldn't have assassinated Patton, and let him kick the russian's ass while we we still in practice, we'd be a lot better off. Truman never should have fired McArther and let him nuke the shit outta the norks and we probably wouldn't need troops in shithole countries now — they'd know better than to mess with the bull.

BF
 

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https://www.foxnews.com/world/turkey-syria-invasion-special-forces-soldier-kurds
Kurdish forces in northeastern Syria are guarding thousands of captured Islamic State (ISIS) fighters, now without the help of the U.S. in the area.

TRUMP 'WENT OFF SCRIPT' DURING CALL WITH ERDOGAN, SENIOR MILITARY SOURCE REVEALS

The Special Forces member said the Kurds have not left their positions guarding detainees. In fact, “they prevented a prison break last night without us," the military source on the front line said. “They are not abandoning our side [yet]."

"The Turks are hitting outside the security mechanism," according to the source, who said the Kurds are "pleading for our support."

The American troops are doing “nothing," the source lamented. "Just sitting by and watching it unfold.”
My bet is when the Kurds are close to extinction the US will be pressed back into service and we'll have another Afghanistan type situation. A tar baby we can not get away from.
We screwed up leaving Afghanistan when the Russians did and Al Qaeda grew and took control to this very day and we are stuck there.
If DJT wants to leave somewhere leave Afghanistan.
At least the Kurds have been a friendly ally who wants some support where Afghanistan we are only tolerated as we prevent their gov. from being over ran .
So, leave 1000 troops to assist the kurds and bring 14,000 home from Afghanistan.
14 Xs the Savings.
 
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At least the Kurds have been a friendly ally
what became al qaeda was also a friendly ally. truth is we have none in the Middle East, period.
 

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You can't say that it's a betrayal, name one conference that took place where it was ever agreed that the Kurds were gonna get their own kingdom.
 

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Use them and dump them, will allies never learn?
 

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You do know that the Kurds in that area are ardent Maoists? This is a case of the enemy of my enemy is my friend. The Kurds were useful, now they're not.
 

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Just another Hmong(us) joke I guess, use them and dump them.
Incoming !!!! The USSA is the Empire, FR - always has been, always will be. Was the Empire long before T got here.

But I get it, you and some others here suffer greatly from TDS. Can't wait to spin some domestic or international turmoil that's been going on forever to make it T's fault.

Your derangement causes you to miss a very important point - Trump (you know, the guy who is as corrupt as every POTUS before him ?) just got us out of a foreign entanglement that every POTUS before him refused to do. The end result of this move will be fewer young American men and women dying on foreign soil, or coming back broken only to get $hit on by the VA till they die on our streets. I think this is what you should be crying about when you say "I guess we use them and dump them"

The ME has been in turmoil and war since recorded time. They've been killing each other for centuries. And when we're out of Turkey they will continue to kill each other. There's no easy, graceful or clean way to do this - someone's gonna get the short end of the stick, and for once it won't be American soldiers.

FWIW:

War Is a Racket - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Is_a_Racket
War Is a Racket is a speech and a 1935 short book, by Smedley D. Butler, a retired United States Marine Corps Major General and two-time Medal of Honor recipient. Based on his career military experience, Butler discusses how business interests commercially benefit, such as war profiteering from warfare.


EDIT: your meme sucks
 

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The nevertrumpsters here are really out in force in this thread. Interesting to watch them squirm, huh?

Fuck the Kurds! We have our own problems and its time we stop hemorrhaging 'foreign aid' and start addressing them!

If you don't like it, go to Washington and protest outside Trump's window!!
 

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You do know that the Kurds in that area are ardent Maoists? This is a case of the enemy of my enemy is my friend. The Kurds were useful, now they're not.


The PKK's ideology was originally a fusion of revolutionary socialism and Kurdish nationalism, seeking the foundation of an independent Communist state in the region, which was to be known as Kurdistan.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurdistan_Workers'_Party

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The United States is NOT the police force for the world.

We have gone broke trying to do so and have probably caused as much bad as good doing so...

The other countries in the world need to step up and handle their own business. The citizens of the world need to step up and demand governance that encourages their individual freedom and an environment conducive to positive growth. The corruption, and mindless pursuits of power and domination over others needs to stop.

The people of the world need to take charge of their leaders to ensure ethical, moral and competent governance...
Sounds like what the 'Belt and Road' aims to do....I remember reading a piece recently that they intend to abandon the western imperial/colonial conquest model of doing things...

The stated objectives are "to construct a unified large market and make full use of both international and domestic markets, through cultural exchange and integration, to enhance mutual understanding and trust of member nations, ending up in an innovative pattern with capital inflows, talent pool, and technology database."

The initial focus has been infrastructure investment, education, construction materials, railway and highway, automobile, real estate, power grid, and iron and steel. Already, some estimates list the Belt and Road Initiative as one of the largest infrastructure and investment projects in history, covering more than 68 countries, including 65% of the world's population and 40% of the global gross domestic product as of 2017.

The Belt and Road Initiative addresses an "infrastructure gap" and thus has potential to accelerate economic growth across the Asia Pacific area, Africa and Central and Eastern Europe
 

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THISSS!!!

The Kurds have custody of thousands of captured Islamic State militants. They include about 2,500 highly dangerous foreign fighters from Europe and elsewhere — their native countries have been reluctant to take them back — and about 10,000 captured fighters from Syria and Iraq.

Kurdish officials have expressed concerns of a possible breakout by IS prisoners in case of fighting in the area.
What do you think the Greeks and Romans did with these types. How about the crusaders (nice analogy huh?), the Huns or the Mongols. They are of no value to anyone, they have no country and no one to take them in. Seems to me there is only one legitimate answer and that is history.
 

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The stated objectives are "to construct a unified large market and make full use of both international and domestic markets, through cultural exchange and integration, to enhance mutual understanding and trust of member nations, ending up in an innovative pattern with capital inflows, talent pool, and technology database."
"Slinging it" is an art
 

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It seems that the Israelis aren't happy with Turkey for invading the Kurds and the Turks don't seem to be too concerned about it. That explains a lot!

Note: It seems Amichai is struggling with English composition (BRAKING??)

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Where do they come from? The Kurds are one of the indigenous peoples of the Mesopotamian plains and the highlands in what are now south-eastern Turkey, north-eastern Syria, northern Iraq, north-western Iran and south-western Armenia. Seriously, how many pieces of silver did we get for this betrayal?
 

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We have a treaty with Turkey and they are part of NATO, not the Kurds. Kurds need to make a deal with Syria, so they can stay in a safe zone. The Turks want to send back 3+ million Syrian refugees and the Kurds are in the way.
 

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one of the indigenous peoples
yeah, but, who isn't???

I'll suggest, just take away the weapons...our companies won't starve...let them kill each other with their own armament, just let US keep ours...


Seriously, how many pieces of silver did we get for this betrayal?
You've asked this question a few times...

How many pieces of silver is one American Soldiers life worth?

Let's make a trade...as we're only talking 'silver' here...you keep the kurds, we'll keep the american soldiers...

no silver needs to trade hands, i'll trust you on this one...Deal???
 

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Where do they come from? The Kurds are one of the indigenous peoples of the Mesopotamian plains and the highlands in what are now south-eastern Turkey, north-eastern Syria, northern Iraq, north-western Iran and south-western Armenia. Seriously, how many pieces of silver did we get for this betrayal?
Not my problem! Get on a plane and make it yours if you're that passionate about it!
 

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I would be interested to find the difference between the Kurds that want to be left alone versus those who want to impose their will on others. Politics is usually forcing others to do what you want... Or face punishment. Are these Kurdish people peaceful? Or are they tyrants (like the islams) that want to impose their laws on others?
 

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All I know about the kurds I learned from the 1985 movie "The Jewel of the Nile "

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The White House statement on Sunday also said Turkey will take custody of foreign fighters captured in the U.S.-led campaign against IS who have been held by the Kurdish forces.

The Kurds have custody of thousands of captured Islamic State militants. They include about 2,500 highly dangerous foreign fighters from Europe and elsewhere — their native countries have been reluctant to take them back — and about 10,000 captured fighters from Syria and Iraq.

Kurdish officials have expressed concerns of a possible breakout by IS prisoners in case of fighting in the area.[/QUOTE]
Thank you spinalcracker, I missed that...we just dumped 12,500 terrorists on the Turks/Kurds and if any of them cause trouble in Europe later on, well we washed our hands of them.
 

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No one else wanted them...we should just give 'em your address Fatrat...i'll donate the first tarp...

what part didn't you understand?

their native countries have been reluctant to take them back
Reluctant is an imporper word, the actual word needed is REFUSED, their native countries have refused to take them back...

Does that help any?

Seriously, where should they go???
 

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No one else wanted them...we should just give 'em your address Fatrat...i'll donate the first tarp...

what part didn't you understand?



Reluctant is an imporper word, the actual word needed is REFUSED, their native countries have refused to take them back...

Does that help any?

Seriously, where should they go???
Dirtnap, Donnie just didn't wanted a mass execution on his hands, you need to send shovels though...