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Tempers flare as millions in California endure power outages from PG&E

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California is screwed up. I cannot imagine being at home without electricity.


https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2019-10-10/millions-without-power-pge-blackouts-california

PLACERVILLE, Calif. —
Classes were canceled. Frozen foods melted. Hospitals switched to emergency generators. Blooms withered in florists’ coolers. Unused food was jettisoned at shuttered restaurants. Lines formed at gas stations. Cellphones faded out.
That’s what happened Wednesday when the state’s largest utility shut off power to millions of Californians in a drastic attempt to avoid the killer wildfires that have charred hundreds of thousands of acres, caused billions of dollars in damage and spurred cries for widespread change in how electricity is delivered over the state’s aging grid.
 

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Clyde Lewis spent his entire show talking about this PG&E bs scheme. You can find him on SoundCloud w/ a informative guest if you are interested:
10/9/19: PG & NO E W/ DEBORAH TAVARES

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"MONOLOGUE WRITTEN BY CLYDE LEWIS

For years now, I have been warning everyone that rogue states could turn our country into a living hell by exploding a nuclear bomb in the atmosphere over America creating an EMP. The electromagnetic pulse from such a blast would fry our electrical circuits and transistors and put much of our grid out of operation.
But imagine if a power failure was not created by some hacker or some rogue state but the electric utility company in your state that is fledgling and worried that it could go bankrupt if some of their high tension wires spark a wildfire during a wind storm?
Scores of Northern California residents have now lost power for an extended period because the company that provides their electricity chose to shut down its infrastructure so it doesn’t start yet another catastrophic wildfire during high winds and low humidity.
PG&E, whose equipment sparked last year’s Camp Fire, which killed 86 people and destroyed the town of Paradise is on the verge of bankruptcy and in order to avoid any further fires that they could be responsible for they have cut power to thousands of customers. ...

Those customers are not happy, and for good reason: Losing power is a hassle for anyone, but it’s potentially deadly for those who rely on electrical medical devices. Businesses lose business, food spoils in warming fridges, and critical infrastructure goes offline. But this is no shot in the dark—meteorologists can predict where and when those winds will grow dire, so PG&E can target their shutoffs.
But no – they are shutting the whole thing down.
The power could be out for days some say nearly a week.
Of course, the Climate Change cultists are saying “told you so” but seriously using climate change as an excuse takes California off the hook.
You can blame this on the fact that California’s building habits and lack of planning for a place that that always seems to be burning. California has been born to burn with the conditions that have flared up every year – this has been consistent long before Al Gore drowned his first polar bear.
California’s wildfire problem grows from a clash of contrasts. In the atmosphere at this time of year, pressure builds up in air masses over the Great Basin, east of the state. At the same time, a low-pressure region takes shape near the coast. Because air tends to move from high- to low-pressure areas, winds start accelerating from the northeast toward the coast. The greater this pressure gradient, the stronger the winds.
As the winds move over the Sierra Nevada in eastern California, they flow like water over rocks in a stream, compressing and warming. Slicing through valleys, the winds gather more speed, desiccating the air.
At ground level, the warm air moving through the mountains sucks away whatever moisture might be left in the vegetation.
What’s left is a parched landscape that’s primed to burn, and winds of 60 or 70 miles per hour can speedily turn a spark into a fast-moving wildfire. Such was the case in last year’s campfire. Winds picked up embers and blew them perhaps a mile ahead of the main conflagration, setting a multitude of small fires throughout the town of Paradise, overwhelming firefighters.
Because meteorologists know why and when and where these winds form, they can use models to give perhaps a week’s warning of a major wind event, so claiming that this is because of Climate Change is silly as it is a tradition to prepare for this weather condition in California.
So PG&E is cutting off power in the particularly dangerous zones it has identified in Northern California, where high winds might rustle power lines and shower sparks onto the wind-parched vegetation below.
These are called tortured decisions but are they necessary? They are claiming that it will prevent a wildfire but the area could burn regardless and then what?
Power lines aside, the state plays host to a cabal of conspiring factors that make it a tinderbox. One is forest mismanagement — California simply hasn’t been clearing enough brush, which builds up year after year until it burns spectacularly. In recent decades, cities have been encroaching more onto the wilderness, putting them literally in the line of fire. This is particularly true in corridors where autumn winds accumulate, fanning flames.
It is sort of unprecedented for such a large utility doing this preemptively, and while PG& Now No E says that in the long run it will prevent major fires – preemptively cutting power to nearly 800,000 customers’ poses a great risk.
A utility like PG&E is mandated to provide power because doing so isn’t just a matter of modern conveniences—it can be a matter of life and death.
The elderly may rely more heavily on medical appliances and be more vulnerable to heatstroke without air conditioning. By preemptively cutting off power, you’re also potentially cutting off communication—if the power goes out and a wildfire starts and TVs and internet routers don’t work, people could be at risk. Electric water pumps too would go offline, potentially hampering firefighting efforts.
One thing people may not understand is if you turn off the power during an extreme weather event, even after the wind dies down you can’t just turn the power back on right away.
I have stated in the past that it is time to prepare and always be prepared by stalking up on food and water and I even offer an inexpensive way of doing it, however, I can acknowledge that there are elderly people on fixed incomes that may not be able to afford to stock up.
You’ve got to think of the little things, too, like opening your garage before a blackout in case a wildfire does come and you need to flee but your opener won’t work. If you have a generator, great but fire officials are saying that more generators humming along outdoors means more ways to spark the fires PG&E is trying to prevent.
Plunging millions of residents into darkness on purpose isn’t a good long term solution. But the serious question is “why?”
While the plan may potentially solve one problem for PG&E, it obviously creates another with residents, businesses, hospitals, and government facing blackouts. The last California Governor who authorized rolling blackouts was recalled by the voters.
After he signed off on $42 billion in vastly overvalued energy contracts in 2001, Gov. Gray Davis instituted random, rolling blackouts that created chaos and severe economic damage in many parts of the state.
It’s called the Public Safety Power Shutoff program, developed in cooperation with state utility regulators at the Public Utilities Commission. The utility shuts electricity on transmission and distribution lines in fire-prone areas during high fire-risk moments.
Those who are experiencing the outage are saying that this feels like a psychological operation to trigger something similar to what was seen in the movie “The Purge.” Ironically, the TV series of The Purge in its second season debuts on October the 15th.
Of course, something like a power outage could be horrible enough to warrant an abrupt changing of policies and how to establish order in an area that relies on its power grid for comfort. When comfort leaves, so does the sanity of the area where the blackouts occur.
It is important for the American people to realize that sixteen sectors of the U.S. economy deemed to make up the nation’s critical infrastructure rely on electricity.
Disabling or otherwise interfering with the power grid is unprecedented in California and there are at least 34 counties that are being affected.
There have been many times on my radio program where I have warned that our over-dependence on technology may be the very thing that can put us at a disadvantage. However, there are times when I speak about this subject, I get told that what I am doing is putting out pure hyperbole and that much of what I say regarding the failure of technology is nothing more than a headline grabber for ratings.
Well, the secret is out – I guess I am here to get you to listen to my show and so yes ratings do help. It is true I need to find a grabbing headline or story that gets you to think about what is going on outside of the political claptrap that somehow works to frame the network narrative.
But it is not exaggeration or overstatement to inform you that we are certainly over-dependent on technology and that even life-saving technologies that run on the power grid can be affected, I worry about the elderly and those with health problems that rely on the grid to live – things like dialysis machines, CPAPs, and heart monitors are medical devices that are essential. I am sure people will have to go where the power is flowing or else they face health complications.
In today’s modern society, we’ve come to rely almost implicitly on having a dependable source of power. When power fails, it causes utter and complete chaos for those not fortunate enough to have had the foresight to prepare.
Of all the threats your disaster plan should consider, power failure is one of the more realistic and among the most likely to occur. When a power grid fails, a substantial geographic area can be without power for hours, days, or sometimes longer.
However, when the power failure is intentional you have to stop and wonder why this is happening, especially in an area that is a tinder box no matter what happens.
These areas in California are now vulnerable and any number of things can go terribly wrong. This is a nightmare scenario and one that can trigger outrage with higher temperatures and high stress.
At a minimum, with an admitted potential for two weeks with the lights out, you should have a one month supply of food for your family, as well as basic emergency supplies (including candles, flashlights, batteries, and other light sources.)
It is important that in any power failure that lasts for days it is important to have ways to prepare food off the grid, perhaps a Hibachi or a grill.
Keep your car tank at least half full because gas stations rely on electricity to power their pumps.
Be aware that most medication that requires refrigeration can be kept in a closed refrigerator for several hours without a problem. If unsure, check with your physician or pharmacist.
Keep a key to your house with you if you regularly use the garage as the primary means of entering your home, in case the garage door will not open.
Have money on hand in case stores are not processing credit cards.
Just a few tips that may or may not help now that most people will be in the dark – and then will come the looting and the crime so maybe it would be wise to have a gun or some other form of protection.
The deeper question here is whether or not PG&E shutting down power has gone too far. This is something they do in a third world country and we have seen what has happened in third world countries that have had to live through long-term blackouts.
This is also a liability issue. Nearly all of California’s biggest and most deadly wildfires have occurred in the last 20 years, with many of them being sparked by electrical problems or even grid failures.
It’s that liability that pushed PG&E into bankruptcy this year and has raised concerns that utilities may become more eager to shut off power to avoid potential catastrophe.
Scores of lawsuits have been filed on behalf of people whose loved ones were killed, whose pets disappeared into the blazing wilderness and who lost everything they owned. They accuse the utility of failing to properly maintain its equipment.
Even before this week, the power shutoffs generated debate, with some residents saying they create a whole new set of dangers for them as they try to watch for news about potential fires. There is also heightened concern for those with health issues who rely on electronic medical equipment for survival.
Critics worry that communications and evacuations will be hampered if the power is out, especially if traffic signals don’t work and cell phone service is affected.
As we watch California endure power cut-offs, there are some observers who are thinking that this is just the beginning and that public utilities in other areas can and will shut down power for alleged safety concerns or for some other unknown reason.
Think about it – this happening in one of the wealthiest jurisdictions in the world and it is naive to think that your area may not suffer the same power failures as California.
Until the entire country updates their power infrastructure we may see power blackouts happen with increased demand for power to heat homes in what is predicted to be one of the coldest winters on record.
This of course takes time and no one is going to have a quick fix during some of the most treacherous weather conditions. It is best that people take heed and prepare in case it happens to them.
The fact is these power blackouts are inconvenient and admittedly dangerous but they are being carried out which of course indicates that some of this feels like a well thought out psychological operation, just to test the resolve and nerve of the people.
PG&E should have been maintaining and updating its infrastructure before the crisis reached this point and equally we can say the same thing for the entire country."

FYI, The SOUNDCLOUD audio has Deborah Travares report and commentary throughout the show.
She was even more informative.
 

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California simply hasn’t been clearing enough brush, which builds up year after year until it burns spectacularly. In recent decades, cities have been encroaching more onto the wilderness, putting them literally in the line of fire. This is particularly true in corridors where autumn winds accumulate, fanning flames.
It is sort of unprecedented for such a large utility doing this preemptively, and while PG& Now No E says that in the long run it will prevent major fires – preemptively cutting power to nearly 800,000 customers’ poses a great risk.
A utility like PG&E is mandated to provide power because doing so isn’t just a matter of modern conveniences—it can be a matter of life and death.
Our power co, owned by T. Boone Pickens, comes around all year long clearing trees, slash & limbs to prevent both fires & power outages.

These companies collect hundreds of millions a month, they can certainly control their product.
 

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Naw, it's really not good. How would you like it ? I get it several times a year, sometimes for 5 to 6 days, & it is a PITA !!!
Nothing personal. I've developed a deep seeded hate for our leftist brethren on the southern left coast!
My apologies if I offended you my northern left coast brother!
 
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I hope Californians get pissed

We need to get really pissed off...we paid for this service, build out of it has been paid for, now it's just the maintenance and we find out they haven't maintained it...

Class Action their asses for ALL OF YOUR LOSSES

this IS a preventable disaster, it is completely man-made at this point in time

They have misued their customers money for years and they need to out the owners and bring in an ownership that wants to run a utility the proper way

but, we can thank the communists and lawyers...it is part of the Fundamental Transformation and it's still in play here in California...

Don't Pray For Us, don't, just prepare for when it gets to your State

It's Not Over, It's Still Happening
 

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I would suggest reading Stoli's post,

They are only minimizing liability due to the states laws regarding reverse suing the power company for being the monopoly the state created.

How much of that money paid went to cali taxes on electricity?

How much of the costs of operation are due to insane procedures and costs due to cali poli's?

etc.

They can absolutely upgrade the infrastructure, but that comes at a cost that they aren't allowed to charge per state law.
 

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I would suggest reading Stoli's post,

They are only minimizing their liability due to the states laws regarding reverse suing the power company for being the monopoly the state created.

How much of that money paid went to cali taxes on electricity?

How much of the costs of operation are due to insane procedures and costs due to cali poli's?

etc.

They can absolutely upgrade the infrastructure, but that comes at a cost that they aren't allowed to charge per state law.
Scorp, that's just it, that 'cost' has already been paid for multiple times over and a failure to fulfill a contract is what's hanging over their heads, pg&e, regardless of their call out for 'safety', and even that arguement has failed as based on their own wording, they are simply mitigating their own loss as compared to fulfilling their duty to maintain an adequate supply of electricity in spite of there being no act of God or any other malady...they failied their end of contractual law


I'm no lawyer, they are a Utility. They have been allowed to run the Utility because they agreed to supply a societal necessity and they failed, as an institution, as a service, as a Utility, they have failed


I hope to god they get their asses sued so bad a bus load of lawyers walks out of this State with Billions, no, Trillions

I certainly do...there will be no direction change in the State without pain, let it happen...let it begin


oh, wait, is has

:dduck::dduck: cry:


I live South of all of this and in LA, they are already cycling power around the county, weekly, San Diego has been threatened with power outages over the weekend, if necessary...

I'm ultra pissed but all this patience has nearly made me give-a-shit...and for that, I want to Thank You

and the party continues and my head is down and my earthquake kit in place and intact...

:popcorn:
 

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that 'cost' has already been paid multiple times over and a failure to fulfill a contract is what's hanging over their heads,
yer a funny guy

you haven't paid squat of the monopolies needs,

you completely miss the point that they are a .gov sanctioned monopoly, meaning it has nothing to do with pg e, it is about your poli's

sure a little makes it downstream to the slaves, but that is only on a depreciated needed basis for taxes

they haven't failed at all, and even the original fire is a bunch of bullshit anyway,

to burn down the whole state due to one stupid transformer blow..............seriously man, you can't dump that on them.

that is pure cali crap
 

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Complete mismanagement from the government to the utility. The chickens have gone home to roost. How do the residents square up with closing businesses and not having any power?
 

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Scorp

i'm on the side, the 'outlying areas' are having the populace being forced out of them...my ideologies go deep, such as what's in those mountains that someone wants???

Power / Control will be the ultimate motive, but, is there something much larger at play, beyond what's known??

even that sounds ridiculous, but, i'm not biased by anything i'm supposed to be biased about
 

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Nothing personal. I've developed a deep seeded hate for our leftist brethren on the southern left coast!
My apologies if I offended you my northern left coast brother!
No, not at all, we cannot see eye to eye all the time. All is fine !
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You’ve got to think of the little things, too, like opening your garage before a blackout in case a wildfire does come and you need to flee but your opener won’t work.
No. Just pull the handle on the rope that disconnects the chain.
If you have a generator, great but fire officials are saying that more generators humming along outdoors means more ways to spark the fires PG&E is trying to prevent.
No. People with generators in California are not in the boonies where dry fuel will catch. They are in developed areas where the risk is minimal.
 

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poor commies.
 

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If you have a generator, great but fire officials are saying that more generators humming along outdoors means more ways to spark the fires PG&E is trying to prevent.
Having dealt with fire officials and their edicts over the years in many situations in many places I am here to say that their "wisdom", knowledge and concerns are quite heavily over-rated making their risk assessments and ensuing edicts highly questionable.
 

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I would suggest reading Stoli's post,

They are only minimizing liability due to the states laws regarding reverse suing the power company for being the monopoly the state created.

How much of that money paid went to cali taxes on electricity?

How much of the costs of operation are due to insane procedures and costs due to cali poli's?

etc.

They can absolutely upgrade the infrastructure, but that comes at a cost that they aren't allowed to charge per state law.
PG and E is not the model utility Company, it used to me charge 1000 $ electric utility bill for months on end and gouged Californians in cahoots with the politicians. I went solar At that time and soon my whole neighborhood followed. Don’t worry, battery technology is getting better every day and we can do without these companies.
 

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No. People with generators in California are not in the boonies where dry fuel will catch. They are in developed areas where the risk is minimal.
It's recommended that a 100' barrier be cleared around your house but in some valleys, the tree's are so thick, it actually blocks out the sun, it's only shade, those type places have ranches and barns and animals and generators...most generators have spark arresters and most people don't want to burn themselves out of their home, but, it happens

Lots of 'suburban' dwellers live in HOA's and there are "no generator" rules for those folks and there are lots who live in tarps, their Bic lighters will work just fine for them and there are lots of seniors who live in facilities...

and then there are those like us here...and in some parts of California, even where it appears it's all 'developed', believe you/me, corporations have bought up thousands of acres that, according to them and their conservancies, these parcels will never be built on, and no one ever clears them except for the arsonists and their fires...and they are certainly efficient


most of the state is 'coastal desert', it never really dies completely, but it sure dry's out over the summer, only to come back to life when it rains...and part of me wonders how many arsonists have been involved with many of the fires here?

Nothing better for a Fundamental Change than to have a complete burn out...
 

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I'm just surprised that anyone with a couple functioning brain cells still lives in CA. I got the F out of there 28 years ago. Haven't visited in over 5 years, but the last time I was there, it was just depressing. I mean, the air had a depressed feeling about it. Poor dumb bastards...
 

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California is accelerating it's status into a third-world country-state.
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Oh, it's been pushed along for decades...there aren't pink haired people running around everywhere, there are some, mostly from the mid-west, transplants, seriously, but, they exist, they just don't get away with much because they don't create much of an issue...it's the upper-level politicians and asshole activists who come in, fuck everything up, take from us what they can, and leave...us broken, then some of our locals leaders think this is wise and they follow suit...like the stupid train but people don't take shit for long, not when they can fight back, at least state their peace...

Others do listen...anyway...and people here aren't yet afraid to stand up, they don't like to stand-out, but, it happens...

Poor dumb bastards...
Dude, i got you...LOL, sometimes, yep!

but, not all of us...no sir, someone has to witness the destruction as the place burns to the ground...

LOL, and besides, there's literally nowhere that can grow the outdoor pot this place can, it's magnificent!'
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I'm just surprised that anyone with a couple functioning brain cells still lives in CA. I got the F out of there 28 years ago. Haven't visited in over 5 years, but the last time I was there, it was just depressing. I mean, the air had a depressed feeling about it. Poor dumb bastards...
Yeah, I must be mildly retarded for staying.

In my defense:

I was born here (5th generation native)

My parents are still here, and they are not leaving

Although the socialist, legislative build-up was gradual, the bulk of the idiocy emerged in the last 15 years; mostly due to uncivilized immigrants and pseudo-civilized globalist climate changers of varying genders.

But this applies primarily to the urban centers; LA, SF Bay Area and Sacramento.

The rural areas are still quite nice...although lacking power for a few days.

I intend to go fully rural or bail the state after my parents pass.

Or more likely, I will die here in the great conflagration, tidal wave or whatever else results from the impending BIG QUAKE.

Like Buck said: somebody has to stick around and witness the destruction.

As to the planned outages:

People are behaving and preparing as though an epic disaster is heading our way, and yes, the tensions are running high.

I'll just keep on truckin' and flash my winning smile!
 

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but, has anyone noticed, there hasn't been a single report of looting...i'm telling ya all, it's the pot


seriously, people need to be pissed at the power company, keep a log of your losses and submit a request for reimbursement to them for you actual losses...

Be ready to jump aboard a class-action suit, it's one of the few things these corporations understand...the lawyers are going to have a field day...
 

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I'll further Scorpio's thoughts. The power industry is so heavily regulated by ridiculous demands that they can not compete. Despite having some of the highest prices in the CONUS, PG&E still can't afford to maintain their lines. Sorry for you Buck but the rest of them can rot in their socialist hellhole.
https://www.electricchoice.com/electricity-prices-by-state/
 

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seriously, people need to be pissed at the power company, keep a log of your losses and submit a request for reimbursement to them for you actual losses...

Be ready to jump aboard a class-action suit, it's one of the few things these corporations understand...the lawyers are going to have a field day...
The reason they are shutting down the power is because of past lawsuits. What is it that you expect them to do?

And tell me again how a bunch of lawyers getting rich is going to keep the lights on. PG&E is almost toast already. Maybe next time the lights will go off and not come back on. Then what?
 

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The reason they are shutting down the power is because of past lawsuits. What is it that you expect them to do?

And tell me again how a bunch of lawyers getting rich is going to keep the lights on. PG&E is almost toast already. Maybe next time the lights will go off and not come back on. Then what?

the reason i don't drive my car anymore, I didn't maintain it so it stopped running

How about I pay you $20 a month to keep my car running and you take my money but you don't maintain my car, so you tell me one day, i'll have to pay you more because you just can't keep it maintained...then I find out several years into this scenario, you have done nothing to maintain my car, so, it stops running...Your advice, just wait, you'll fix it, in the mean time, be patient...I can walk, or simply stay home, either way, I'll be just fine

so, you took my money for years and did nothing and now you want more money to perform what you didn't do, and in the mean time, i have no transportation

FIX THE GOD DAMN THING

there, that's outta the way for picture drawing...


and honestly, I hope the lights don't come back on...people need to continue suing them until they are outta business


(you think i'm kidding? That's as plausible of an outcome as yours is, where it's not really their problem, it's the lawyers problem...no it ain't)


Why is this acceptable, 'the lawyers did it' and the costs? we the taxpayers take this up the poop shoot 'for our safety', when all along we've been robbed


when will people wake up, this isn't some oopsie moment, this is pure negligence and theft and now the sheep pay the ultimate price, again, of having to Do Without


bs
 

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Can’t charge those Teslas...
 

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yer a funny guy you haven't paid squat of the monopolies needs, you completely miss the point that they are a .gov sanctioned monopoly, meaning it has nothing to do with pg e, it is about your poli's sure a little makes it downstream to the slaves, but that is only on a depreciated needed basis for taxes they haven't failed at all, and even the original fire is a bunch of bullshit anyway, to burn down the whole state due to one stupid transformer blow..............seriously man, you can't dump that on them.
that is pure cali crap
The radio show and SoundCloud audio cast has much more information the guest provides.
She blames PG&E for bad infrastructure management, cheap wiring, some uninsulated, and the high wind conditions through the mountains. The winds get high enough to push lines into contact with one another and that throws off sparks even if it does not burnout the line. The locals in the effected area have complained for years that powerlines in their high winds zones should be laid underground.
Other parts of the state are being blacked out and are not even in the problem zones. Ms Travares gives far more detail than Clyde's monologue does.
She states PG&E faces Multi- Billions of dollars in lawsuits and is on the brink of filing bankruptcy.

She alludes to California being the Socialist version of all America if the Socialists get in charge. California is already the Venezuela of the U.S. in her view, and getting worse.

It is a good listen if you got the time.
 

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The radio show and SoundCloud audio cast has much more information the guest provides.
She blames PG&E for bad infrastructure management, cheap wiring, some uninsulated, and the high wind conditions through the mountains. The winds get high enough to push lines into contact with one another and that throws off sparks even if it does not burnout the line. The locals in the effected area have complained for years that powerlines in their high winds zones should be laid underground.
Other parts of the state are being blacked out and are not even in the problem zones. Ms Travares gives far more detail than Clyde's monologue does.
She states PG&E faces Multi- Billions of dollars in lawsuits and is on the brink of filing bankruptcy.

She alludes to California being the Socialist version of all America if the Socialists get in charge. California is already the Venezuela of the U.S. in her view, and getting worse.

It is a good listen if you got the time.
just reading what you put here:
She's Right except we're not even close to Venezuela, that's kinda of an ignorant comparison...probably won't hit that point until another governor gets the chance, our current one doesn't appear to have the same desire to hit bottom at top speed, he probably doesn't have the same 'courage' the rest of our governors had...
 

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I am not arguing against it.

The locals in the effected area have complained for years that powerlines in their high winds zones should be laid underground.
But the expense would be astronomical, let alone the planned/rolling outages due the decades long construction process.

New homes already have underground electrical access, but the transmission lines are primarily above ground.

I just don't see it getting done.
 

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I am not arguing against it.



But the expense would be astronomical, let alone the planned/rolling outages due the decades long construction process.

New homes already have underground electrical access, but the transmission lines are primarily above ground.

I just don't see it getting done.

honestly, i don't either but, this is a country that pipes natural gas, oil and whatever else, hundreds of miles from the source to the region that needs it...

this is a world that has irrigated desert regions and have produced enough food to feed the world

this is a country that landed a man on the moon (just pretend for discussion sake, please)...

and we can't bury some electrical cables???

San Diego wouldn't have water if it wasn't for the pipe that go underground from North Riverside County all the way down the State...

It Can Be Done, It Should Have Been Don...years ago

and the power lines in San Diego Back Country that fizzle out and start fires are bringing in electricity from a new power plant Sempra built in Mexico, not here but in Mexico and they send the power back here...

o.k., we can criminalize our actions inside a utility but we can't actually perform a job to our utmost abilities???



i'm amazed at what they have us actually believing
 

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i'm on the side, the 'outlying areas' are having the populace being forced out of them...my ideologies go deep, such as what's in those mountains that someone wants???

Power / Control will be the ultimate motive, but, is there something much larger at play, beyond what's known??

even that sounds ridiculous, but, i'm not biased by anything i'm supposed to be biased about
Buck, thanks for the "wake-up call" !
This is an agenda 21 move, to start removing people from the remote area's, into the city. Cramped apartments buildings have been being built for 10 years or so, all over the cities in commiefornia.

RED highlights by TAEZZAR.

source: https://americanpolicy.org/agenda21/

AGENDA 21
IN ONE EASY LESSON

Awareness of Agenda 21 and Sustainable Development is racing across the nation as citizens in community after community are learning what their city planners are actually up to. As awareness grows, I am receiving more and more calls for tools to help activists fight back. Many complain that elected officials just won’t read detailed reports or watch long videos. “Can you give us something that is quick, and easy to read that we can hand out,” I’m asked.

So here it is. A one page, quick description of Agenda 21 that fits on one page. I’ve also included for the back side of your hand out a list of quotes for the perpetrators of Agenda 21 that should back up my brief descriptions.

A word of caution, use this as a starter kit, but do not allow it to be your only knowledge of this very complex subject. To kill it you have to know the facts. Research, know your details; discover the NGO players in your community; identify who is victimized by the policies and recruit them to your fight; and then kill Agenda 21. That’s how it must be done. The information below is only your first step. Happy hunting.

What is Sustainable Development?
According to its authors, the objective of sustainable development is to integrate economic, social and environmental policies in order to achieve reduced consumption, social equity, and the preservation and restoration of biodiversity. Sustainablists insist that every societal decision be based on environmental impact, focusing on three components; global land use, global education, and global population control and reduction.

Social Equity (Social injustice)
Social justice is described as the right and opportunity of all people “to benefit equally from the resources afforded us by society and the environment.” Redistribution of wealth. Private property is a social injustice since not everyone can build wealth from it. National sovereignty is a social injustice. Lack of universal health care is a social injustice. All part of Agenda 21 policy.

Economic Prosperity
Public Private Partnerships (PPP). Special dealings between government and certain, chosen corporations which get tax breaks, grants and the government’s power of Eminent Domain to implement sustainable policy. Government-sanctioned monopolies.

Local Sustainable Development policies
Smart Growth, Wildlands Project, Resilient Cities, Regional Visioning Projects, STAR Sustainable Communities, Green jobs, Green Building Codes, “Going Green,” Alternative Energy, Local Visioning, facilitators, regional planning, historic preservation, conservation easements, development rights, sustainable farming, comprehensive planning, growth management, consensus.

Who is behind it?
ICLEI – Local Governments for Sustainability (formally, International Council for Local Environmental Initiatives). Communities pay ICLEI dues to provide “local” community plans, software, training, etc. Addition groups include American Planning Association, The Renaissance Planning Group, International City/ County Management Group, aided by US Mayors Conference, National Governors Association, National League of Cities, National Association of County Administrators and many more private organizations and official government agencies. Foundation and government grants drive the process.

Where did it originate?
The term Sustainable Development was first introduced to the world in the pages a 1987 report (Our Common Future) produced by the United Nations World Commission on Environmental and Development, authored by Gro Harlem Brundtland, VP of the World Socialist Party. The term was first offered as official UN policy in 1992, in a document called UN Sustainable Development Agenda 21, issued at the UN’s Earth Summit, today referred to simply as Agenda 21.

What gives Agenda 21 Ruling Authority?
More than 178 nations adopted Agenda 21 as official policy during a signing ceremony at the Earth Summit. US president George H.W. Bush signed the document for the US. In signing, each nation pledge to adopt the goals of Agenda 21. In 1993, President Bill Clinton, in compliance with Agenda 21, signed Executive Order #12852 to create the President’s Council on Sustainable Development in order to “harmonize” US environmental policy with UN directives as outlined in Agenda 21. The EO directed all agencies of the Federal Government to work with state and local community governments in a joint effort “reinvent” government using the guidelines outlined in Agenda 21. As a result, with the assistance of groups like ICLEI, Sustainable Development is now emerging as government policy in every town, county and state in the nation.

Revealing Quotes From the Planners
“Agenda 21 proposes an array of actions which are intended to be implemented by EVERY person on Earth…it calls for specific changes in the activities of ALL people… Effective execution of Agenda 21 will REQUIRE a profound reorientation of ALL humans, unlike anything the world has ever experienced… ” Agenda 21: The Earth Summit Strategy to Save Our Planet (Earthpress, 1993). Emphases – DR

Urgent to implement – but we don’t know what it is!

“The realities of life on our planet dictate that continued economic development as we know it cannot be sustained…Sustainable development, therefore is a program of action for local and global economic reform – a program that has yet to be fully defined.” The Local Agenda 21 Planning Guide, published by ICLEI, 1996.

“No one fully understands how or even, if, sustainable development can be achieved; however, there is growing consensus that it must be accomplished at the local level if it is ever to be achieved on a global basis.” The Local Agenda 21 Planning Guide, published by ICLEI, 1996.

Agenda 21 and Private Property
“Land…cannot be treated as an ordinary asset, controlled by individuals and subject to the pressures and inefficiencies of the market. Private land ownership is also a principal instrument of accumulation and concentration of wealth, therefore contributes to social injustice.” From the report from the 1976 UN’s Habitat I Conference.

“Private land use decisions are often driven by strong economic incentives that result in several ecological and aesthetic consequences…The key to overcoming it is through public policy…” Report from the President’s Council on Sustainable Development, page 112.

“Current lifestyles and consumption patterns of the affluent middle class – involving high meat intake, use of fossil fuels, appliances, home and work air conditioning, and suburban housing are not sustainable.” Maurice Strong, Secretary General of the UN’s Earth Summit, 1992.

Reinvention of Government
“We need a new collaborative decision process that leads to better decisions, more rapid change, and more sensible use of human, natural and financial resources in achieving our goals.” Report from the President’s Council on Sustainable Development

“Individual rights will have to take a back seat to the collective.” Harvey Ruvin, Vice Chairman, ICLEI. The Wildlands Project

“We must make this place an insecure and inhospitable place for Capitalists and their projects – we must reclaim the roads and plowed lands, halt dam construction, tear down existing dams, free shackled rivers and return to wilderness millions of tens of millions of acres or presently settled land.” Dave Foreman, Earth First.

What is not sustainable?
Ski runs, grazing of livestock, plowing of soil, building fences, industry, single family homes, paves and tarred roads, logging activities, dams and reservoirs, power line construction, and economic systems that fail to set proper value on the environment.” UN’s Biodiversity Assessment Report.

Hide Agenda 21’s UN roots from the people
“Participating in a UN advocated planning process would very likely bring out many of the conspiracy- fixated groups and individuals in our society… This segment of our society who fear ‘one-world government’ and a UN invasion of the United States through which our individual freedom would be stripped away would actively work to defeat any elected official who joined ‘the conspiracy’ by undertaking LA21. So we call our process something else, such as comprehensive planning, growth management or smart growth.” J. Gary Lawrence, advisor to President Clinton’s Council on Sustainable Development.

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I am not arguing against it.



But the expense would be astronomical, let alone the planned/rolling outages due the decades long construction process.

New homes already have underground electrical access, but the transmission lines are primarily above ground.

I just don't see it getting done.
Communism is expensive!

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