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Rand Paul is dead on the money with this:

https://www.newsweek.com/rand-paul-...H0MErO15pcsYTqVnIdAssizxJij0-KUNun7ap_TBdYArM

Quote:"I'll give you an example," Paul continued. "Last year, I tried to attach to a spending bill a prohibition to have any money spent by Planned Parenthood. You know what happened? [GOP leadership] sat me down and one of the senior Republican senators said, 'We cannot have the vote today.' I said 'why?' He said 'we might win.'"

Shocked audience members could be heard gasping in disbelief at Paul's anecdote, before he added that the senior Republican senator in the room simply smiled at him when asked if getting Democrat support was more important than unborn children's lives.



If the GOP is afraid of winning the vote for a conservative position, then we have truly lost the war already.
 

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Both parties have selected issues to pretend fight about, abortion and gun rights are two of the main ones. The Rethuglicans help you keep your guns while the DemonRats fight for abortion and the wrasslin event has been going on a long time. Meanwhile Repukes pay for their girlfriends abortion and the DemonRats keep their guns out of sight.
 

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Those of us here have been aware of this for sometime! It's not 'us' who need convincing! No one here believes that any politician gives a rat's ass about anybody but himself!! It's the fucking drones who think Jeb or Joe or Hillary or any politician is going to be the answer to what ails us! Politicians are the root of all that is evil in this world. Political parties are just big olds
clubs comprised of like minded people with the same goals (enriching themselves) who collect millions of dollars for doing nothing but spending it all up! Only lawyers and pedophile priests are close to that level.
 
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Politicians are the root of all that is evil in this world.
"Professional" needs to be added to that. Political duty needs to become a sojourn from a respectable career in the private sphere to which you need to return after a relatively short period of time. These buggers need to live under the regime they create. They should also be paid well for service and hung if they recieve money from any external source while in office or connected to any official service, before, during or after.
 

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It needs to be a well paid form of community service, a civic duty that the best and brightest perform because it is a great adjunct to their CV. Lets get some respectability back into this equation.
 

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Really?

There were quite a few saps who insisted Trump Almighty was going to be the saviour who imprisoned the Clintons, cleaned up Wall Street and deported all the illegals.
Including the person you quoted.
 

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"Professional" needs to be added to that. Political duty needs to become a sojourn from a respectable career in the private sphere to which you need to return after a relatively short period of time. These buggers need to live under the regime they create. They should also be paid well for service and hung if they recieve money from any external source while in office or connected to any official service, before, during or after.
Feckin Amen to that, Zed. Debatable about the pay but they should be held accountable.
 

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It's still possible President Trump can run the insane leftists, both R & D, back into hiding. I continue to think they are only the 20% they have always been they are just louder now because they own the media.
Trump has gotten them out in the open and speaking freely about what they really stand for. That was a hell of an accomplishment on it's own.
Now if we can clean up the election process we may shut these communist loons up for another 40 years or so.

If not then we'll have to play Cowboys and commies. The commies won't do too well if that happens.


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Really?

There were quite a few saps who insisted Trump Almighty was going to be the saviour who imprisoned the Clintons, cleaned up Wall Street and deported all the illegals.
Including the person you quoted.
Trump isn't a DC politician...he's a businessman and a clean up specialist! His job is not to be presidential (this is where the nevertrumpster fags have it wrong). His base isn't looking for presidential. We're patiently waiting as the noose gets tighter and tighter around the swamp creatures. (we have no choice now but to wait) You nevertrumpsters are really getting nervous huh? Too bad you didn't get Hillary for your prez! That would have been perfect karma for you!
 
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It's still possible President Trump can run the insane leftists, both R & D, back into hiding. I continue to think they are only the 20% they have always been they are just louder now because they own the media.
Trump has gotten them out in the open and speaking freely about what they really stand for. That was a hell of an accomplishment on it's own.
Now if we can clean up the election process we may shut these communist loons up for another 40 years or so.

If not then we'll have to play Cowboys and commies. The commies won't do too well if that happens.


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I admire your loyalty...but ? your expectations.
 

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"Professional" needs to be added to that. Political duty needs to become a sojourn from a respectable career in the private sphere to which you need to return after a relatively short period of time. These buggers need to live under the regime they create. They should also be paid well for service and hung if they recieve money from any external source while in office or connected to any official service, before, during or after.
Name 3 DC politicians who actually built a meaningful and successful career outside of politics. I suspect one would need to do some research to find that many. Hell, I'll even give you Mittens, as he was a big whig in a venture capital company which was wildly successful at buying and destroying other small and medium private companies. I view Mittens as the antithesis of Trump! Smart but selfish!
 

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I admire your loyalty...but ? your expectations.
I for one no longer have expectations. What we're seeing with Trump and what's he's doing to American and world politics is unprecedented and unpredictable!! I'm sitting in the peanut gallery watching and waiting for the next move like the rest of us!

What are your expectations?
 

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I don't have any expectations...Tramps just another Politian to me.
 

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I don't have any expectations...Tramps just another Politian to me.
All Presidents have to be political. More than the media lets on, people were tired of career politicians. Hence, Donald John Trump became the 45th President of the United States. He has been trying to right the ship with very little help.
 

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All Presidents have to be political. More than the media lets on, people were tired of career politicians. Hence, Donald John Trump became the 45th President of the United States. He has been trying to right the ship with very little help.
nevertrumpsters are like the commies pissing and moaning about immigrants.....the commies conveniently drop the word 'illegal' when they speak their drivel about how cruel and inhuman it is to send immigrants back home and how immigrants have built this country. . Just like never trumpsters drop the word 'career' when calling Trump a politician. Yeah, he's the Prez so technically he's now a politician, but his bank account isn't built on 40 years worth of kickbacks, bribes and 'donations' he's received for passing laws favorable to central business, big oil and global tyrants (See The Clinton Foundation for an extreme example)

Trump isn't going to get any help from the nevertrumpsters so it's our job to watch his back
 
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You don't have to get nasty just because my expectations don't match yours. still a free thought world isn't it?
 

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You don't have to get nasty just because my expectations don't match yours. still a free thought world isn't it?
Sorry, I forgot I need to tread lightly when defending the POTUS these days. I wouldn't want to offend anyone
 

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This is why so many of them are called RINO's.
....and the never trumpsters will still try to say, "but he had control of Congress for two years and still didn't no nuthin'" lol
 

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Sorry, I forgot I need to tread lightly when defending the POTUS these days. I wouldn't want to offend anyone
I never said anything that needed that reaction!!! I just don't have end of the rainbow expectations.
 

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who got nasty gliddy?
I thought we saved that for the smokin room.

BF
I may be wrong, but I'm thinkin' it might have been the_shooting called 'em a British cigerette. Lol
 

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I take the blame for my candor. You need to have thick skin to challenge the folks here. Most of us have developed that in life. Some are still working on it.

That being said, I may have been a bit harsh with glidden out of the gate in this thread. He's entitled to his opinion too and my responses, while comical and quite witty in nature, may have been slightly over the top. My apologies sir! Let us move forward in a positive and constructive manner!
 

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Cool story rand. Name the senior Republican..
As far as I'm concerned he's there, he's the swamp. Drain or drown DC
Yeah. He’s part of the problem then if he won’t name them.
 

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he's a lowly peon in the system still and was almost killed already once.
he's doing his best he can to stay alive
I would like to see him run against the current top dog traitor 'n chief in 2020
I'm having a tough time following along. He would never make it out of the primaries. He has great ideas but doesn't have the gut nor the ability it takes to implement them without getting shot! I wouldn't depend on just the SS to protect him if he somehow made it to the OO. How did that work out for the last guy who tried to take on the beast...JFK???
 
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the truth would come out slowly and while surrounded by military loyalists.

Solutions to those problems you mention do exist. Today the narrative is very strong and that can be used against the current owners of it.
You just described the progression of Donald Trump's first term!
 

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Rand Paul is dead on the money with this:

https://www.newsweek.com/rand-paul-...H0MErO15pcsYTqVnIdAssizxJij0-KUNun7ap_TBdYArM

Quote:"I'll give you an example," Paul continued. "Last year, I tried to attach to a spending bill a prohibition to have any money spent by Planned Parenthood. You know what happened? [GOP leadership] sat me down and one of the senior Republican senators said, 'We cannot have the vote today.' I said 'why?' He said 'we might win.'"

Shocked audience members could be heard gasping in disbelief at Paul's anecdote, before he added that the senior Republican senator in the room simply smiled at him when asked if getting Democrat support was more important than unborn children's lives.


If the GOP is afraid of winning the vote for a conservative position, then we have truly lost the war already.
There is no solution to the world's or our nations problems in a left and right blood sucking=politics system.
 

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https://medium.com/@mitchellbradley...lls-the-swamp-with-lobbyist-money-9cd1294518d

How a Committee Tax Fills Congress with Lobbyist Money

Mitchell Nemeth



Aug 13 · 5 min read







Image Source: https://www.hbomax.com/feature/urn:hbo:feature:GXvzoWQh517nDHQEAAALo
Congress is broken. This has become remarkably clear as Congress fails to agree to a new COVID-19 relief bill. Any relief bill that materializes is likely to be stuffed with special interest “pork” and unrelated provisions, as was the initial COVID-19 relief bill (the CARES Act). Republicans want to include COVID-19 related lawsuit liability shields for businesses. Democrats want bailouts of highly indebted (this is often code for Democratic-run) states and unrelated election changes such as expanded mail-in-voting. The truth is both sides want to utilize the COVID-19 pandemic as an opportunity to compile their partisan, special interest wish list.
Everyday voters do not understand the degree to which Congress is corrupted. If they did, it is likely that a supermajority of voters would seek to overturn the system. Instead, this incredibly flawed system is perpetuated by political polarization and the nonsensical belief that either political party is interested in changing the status quo. This is how Republican voters turned on the establishment and elected President Donald Trump. For all of his flaws, President Trump built a campaign message around the popular theme that Congress no longer worked for everyday Americans.
There are countless institutional problems with Congress, from campaign financing to the growth of the Administrative State. A key criticism of the institution is its transformation into a massive fundraising scheme for the national political parties and their affiliated entities. As a report by the nonpartisan advocacy group, Issue One, notes, “While the phrase ‘party dues’ may sound innocuous, the current system is anything but. This goes beyond party loyalty. The message it sends is simple: Want to chair a committee? That will cost you. Want to chair one of the most powerful committees? That will cost you even more. This is tantamount to a ‘committee tax’ imposed on members of Congress by the parties.”


Over the past few years, some Congressmen have been going public with their grievances. Recently, HBO premiered a documentary titled, “The Swamp,” which focuses on the influence of special interest money into political campaigns and re-election efforts; the documentary provides anti-establishment politicians the opportunity to explain their positions. For example, Representative Ken Buck of Colorado is featured; in the documentary he outlines how members of Congress are “charged ‘dues’ for good committee assignments, and more if they hope to become committee chairs,” according to MinnPost. These ‘dues’ come in the form of contributions to political party committees such as the National Republican Congressional Committee or the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee.
The contribution scheme works as follows: “The party leaders, who generally have relatively safe seats of their own, are quite reasonably interested in raising funds for the party committees and incentivizing the members of their caucuses to raise funds for those committees as well. One way to incentivize along those lines is to reward successful fundraisers with good committee assignments and even chairmanships. And those assignments are in the leaders’ control.”
Kentucky Representative Thomas Massie is another outspoken critic of this fundraising regime. He said, “They told us right off the bat as soon as we get here…These committees all have prices and don’t pick an expensive one if you can’t make the payments…That’s part of the orientation.” Massie’s fellow libertarian-leaning colleague, Representative Justin Amash, tweeted a similar message, “Members of Congress have to pay the Republican or Democratic parties hundreds of thousands of dollars for official committee assignments. It’s literally pay campaign money to play in Congress.”

Given that committee chairs have so much influence in the advancement of policy, voters should expect members of Congress who chair committees to be the most knowledgeable. Instead, committee chairs are expected to raise huge sums of money for their political party, which means “that chairs are forced to spend a lot of their limited time making fundraising calls,” rather than holding hearings about issues that voters sent them to Capitol Hill to address. This pressure to constantly fundraise in order to hold powerful committee assignments eventually leads to what Representative Buck refers to as “transactional giving,” which is when “special interests give money to affect legislation moving through Congress.” For example, reference Congress’s overhaul of the federal tax code in 2017. How does a bipartisan, undemocratic scheme like this continue?
Money spent on lobbying skyrocketed during tax overhaul
WASHINGTON (AP) - Money spent on lobbying by corporations, trade associations and special interest groups spiked during…
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This fundraising regime continues because of the incentives at the heart of this scheme. Members of Congress rely on political party support, campaign contributions, special interest support, and constituent support (in no particular order). President George Washington’s infamous farewell address predicted this future conflict of interests: “However [political parties] may now and then answer popular ends, they are likely in the course of time and things, to become potent engines, by which cunning, ambitious, and unprincipled men will be enabled to subvert the power of the people and to usurp for themselves the reins of government, destroying afterwards the very engines which have lifted them to unjust dominion.”

Daily political squabbles yield predictable results: legislation or confirmations passed along party lines and congressional hearings used to preach political theater. The end result of nearly every issue outside of increased government spending is stalemate. Congressional stalemate leads to Executive overreach because the President made promises to voters, even if this overreach is possibly unconstitutional. Members of Congress either cheer or scorn the President for his actions and use this as fodder for their own political coffers. Both political parties can contend that they tried to push their opponents to support their position and any opposition is framed in the most malicious terms imaginable. In the end, the American people and the Constitution are the losers; special interests reap the benefits of an unprincipled political class and an undemocratic campaign financing regime. When politicians campaign on a “return to normalcy,” ask yourself whether or not it is worth returning to a time when this behavior was swept under the rug.