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Watched a news show over the weekend and the question was posed, If you stop all Mexican immigration who's going to pick the crops? One answer I really liked was: Over 1 million Minimum security prisoners who are currently sitting on their asses watching TV. I like that idea!
 

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Currently the labor is cheaper than robots.
 

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Robots



FFRobotics is developing a machine that has three-fingered grips to grab fruit and twist or clip it from a branch. The machine would have between four and 12 robotic arms, and can pick up to 10,000 apples an hour (stock image)

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How will they "handle" VINE RIPE tomatoes ??? hahaha

Seriously, as a kid, I picked corn in the fields of Orange County, Ca., 1957/1959, before the industries moved in.
One of the big problems today, is the children ages 14 to 18 are not required to get off their dead asses & work.
They are entitled to play with their electronic whatever's.
The Mexican workers were brought in because we started a program of diluting our work ethic.
I doubt that we can reverse the trend.
 

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We have some friends who own a blueberry farm. Their business involves customers picking their own berries- a 'you-pick' type arrangement for $3 per pound. In season they advertise the berries along with the price. And the place is generally packed with customers. Most leave with blue stained teeth and lips and buckets of berries.

One day a car load of a half dozen Mexicans showed up to pick berries. After about 5 hours in the field they showed up at the checkout with about a hundred pounds of berries- about half of them ripe. Their buckets also contained branch pieces and all kinds of leaves and stems. Thinking that it was a bit strange, the cashier dutifully weighed their buckets and quoted the price. Then they all just stood there awkwardly not saying a word. It finally occurred to the cashier-and you guessed it- they wanted $3 per pound for picking them. One of the Mexicans could sort of communicate but could not understand- or at least pretended to not understand- that it was them that needed to pay. It started to get ugly so our friends threatened to call the cops. They understood that very well. They bolted, leaving their buckets on the counter. Our friends felt bad, took pity on them, chased them down and handed them a hundred bucks for their troubles, knowing that they needed the money.

They figured they could recoup their $100 by just sorting the berries from the rubbish and sell them at the counter pre-picked for a premium. It ended up taking as long to clean and sort those berries as it would have taken to just go pick more themselves.
 

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We have some friends who own a blueberry farm. Their business involves customers picking their own berries- a 'you-pick' type arrangement for $3 per pound. In season they advertise the berries along with the price. And the place is generally packed with customers. Most leave with blue stained teeth and lips and buckets of berries.

One day a car load of a half dozen Mexicans showed up to pick berries. After about 5 hours in the field they showed up at the checkout with about a hundred pounds of berries- about half of them ripe. Their buckets also contained branch pieces and all kinds of leaves and stems. Thinking that it was a bit strange, the cashier dutifully weighed their buckets and quoted the price. Then they all just stood there awkwardly not saying a word. It finally occurred to the cashier-and you guessed it- they wanted $3 per pound for picking them. One of the Mexicans could sort of communicate but could not understand- or at least pretended to not understand- that it was them that needed to pay. It started to get ugly so our friends threatened to call the cops. They understood that very well. They bolted, leaving their buckets on the counter. Our friends felt bad, took pity on them, chased them down and handed them a hundred bucks for their troubles, knowing that they needed the money.

They figured they could recoup their $100 by just sorting the berries from the rubbish and sell them at the counter pre-picked for a premium. It ended up taking as long to clean and sort those berries as it would have taken to just go pick more themselves.
What's a Mexican and a Cue Ball have in common? The harder you hit them the more English you get.
 

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The Mexican workers were brought in because we started a program of diluting our work ethic.
I doubt that we can reverse the trend.
Hunger usually is a good motivator....
 

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Who picked the crops before the Mexicans invaded? Don't we have cool machines that do that now on the farms? This argument has always been useless but there are still people who try to use it to scare us. I'm not ascared one bit!
 

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I remember very well traveling on the Interstates on vacations in the summer, 1960's, it was common to see an old clunker pulled over on the side of the road with the hood propped up, and a Mexican family or two picnicking on the grass by the road. I forgot what my dad called that, something like Mexican picnic.

They were migrant pickers. Several of my classmates during grade school and high school were children of migrant Mexican families that settled in the area.
 
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Don't much care who pics them, Id be happy to pay more for food picked by americans, just get rid of these fkin leeching illegals, money saved in taxes from supporting them and not having to support tens of thousands in prison would probably be a break even,.
 

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Sheriffs could rent out county prison labor back in the good old days.
 

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A wall ain't gonna stop Mexicans
 

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Who picked the crops before the Mexicans invaded? Don't we have cool machines that do that now on the farms? This argument has always been useless but there are still people who try to use it to scare us. I'm not ascared one bit!
The coons used to pick the tomatoes and beans, but keep them away from the watermelons. Crackers picked them.
 

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Who picked the crops before the Mexicans invaded? Don't we have cool machines that do that now on the farms? This argument has always been useless but there are still people who try to use it to scare us. I'm not ascared one bit!
In Florida the blacks and college students picked oranges, tomatoes and strawberries. There were a few "Migrant workers" too, they were Mexicans with green cards. This was 40+ years ago.
 

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In Florida the blacks and college students picked oranges, tomatoes and strawberries. There were a few "Migrant workers" too, they were Mexicans with green cards. This was 40+ years ago.
Precisely! Illegals work for peanuts...much less than minimum wage, that's why the business owners secretly support and fund the leftists. Cheap illegals push out the Amwericans who want to work but want to work for a fair wage like 40 years or so ago
 

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Hell I'll do it! Fresh air and exercise will beat the feck out of working with office people.
These folks are dumb as posts and never get anything done. Yak yak yak lets have a meeting and Debbie will do a power point presentation!
Fecking idiots, man. I need to start doing actual work again before I lose the last fragments of my mind.

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It troubles me that there often tends to be more emphasis on blaming certain groups of people than on real solutions, like reducing entitlements and eliminating minimum wage.

-Eliminate all taxpayer subsidization of all industries
-Deregulate healthcare (doctors can refuse or accept anyone of their own choosing)
-Make work/holiday/retirement visas extremely easy to get, but only proven integrated get citizenship (voting)
-Eliminate food stamps
-Eliminate the minimum wage
-Legalize all drugs
-No tax greater than 3% on anything
 

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I agree. It would be a complete waste of money to build a wall when armed citizen volunteers would gladly do the job for free.
There are way too many Mexicans on the US side of the border to stop this by force.

I'm not saying a wall isn't needed, but, if there were a real crackdown on employers we migh see some significant changes.
 

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The robots are coming, they will not only pick crops they will be taking all of the trucking jobs, stocking warehouses, and a lot of heavy lifting for society.



What do you think will happen to the labor participation rate and what will be the effect on society?
 

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I was stuck in Phoenix AZ once upon a time, needed short term work. Tried to get a picking job at the state employment office. Sorry, those jobs are for Mexicans only. Weird thing is, I picked various crops in Israel and ran a picking crew of Druze for grapefruit. Experience did not count. Needed a brown skin.
 

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The robots are coming, they will not only pick crops they will be taking all of the trucking jobs, stocking warehouses, and a lot of heavy lifting for society.



What do you think will happen to the labor participation rate and what will be the effect on society?
Have you eaten strawberries in the last few years? Not locally grown, but brought in from the west? They look great, big and sweet looking. Taste like wood or cardboard. Back in the 1970's I was in perishable commodities, many times I had to inspect strawberries flown in from the west due to damage from temperatures and or rough handling. Think about that - they paid air freight to ship strawberries. Yet even then they had problems, with a trip of hours instead of days. There is a reason. Strawberries are very delicate and can't take rough handling nor do they hold up for long transportation times. Or should I say they didn't. Today's strawberries are not the same, they have obviously have been modified or bred to look good and transport well. Just like the tasteless wooden tomatoes from the west. Transport well and look good. Taste like crap. The reason I bring it up is that the NEW strawberries can most likely be picked mechanically as they are much less susceptible to bruising and other damage. Effect on labor and society? Less demand for unskilled manual labor, more people on the breadline [food stamps]. Closer to the breaking point.

The problem is of course that we get a great looking product at good prices that is in all other aspects an inferior product.
 

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A wall ain't gonna stop Mexicans
Ohhh so true ! They will just dig more tunnels !!!

There are way too many Mexicans on the US side of the border to stop this by force.

I'm not saying a wall isn't needed, but, if there were a real crackdown on employers we migh see some significant changes.
Deen, they already crack down on employers - the problem is the government (isn't it always) with their welfare programs & protectionism of the illegals.
 

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The robots are coming, they will not only pick crops they will be taking all of the trucking jobs, stocking warehouses, and a lot of heavy lifting for society.



What do you think will happen to the labor participation rate and what will be the effect on society?
Factory farms (where that film was shot) don't produce enough to feed the world.
 

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There are way too many Mexicans on the US side of the border to stop this by force.

I'm not saying a wall isn't needed, but, if there were a real crackdown on employers we migh see some significant changes.
It's kinda draconian but there's a way to rid them. When Coyotes become a problem in certain areas a bounty is offered. Usually the hunter is required to bring the ears to collect the bounty. This works for all problem species.
 

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The problem is of course that we get a great looking product at good prices that is in all other aspects an inferior product.
gringott, are you saying that "beauty is only skin deep ??" LOL
As a teenager, I worked produce in a market. My job was to sort thru the various fruits & pick out the inferior pieces.
I have unloaded watermelons, every hour or so we would "accidentally" drop one & have to stop & eat it ! LOL
ALL produce today tastes nothing like the vine ripe of yesteryear, and that's why we grow a lot of our own veggies, especially tomato's.
 

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Inspecting produce at the rail or air or truck head in Chicago gave me access to the finest produce available there. I agree the stuff is not the same now.
Once I had to inspect about thirty piggback loads of bing cherries that were in on Wednesday for a weekend special in July at a major Chicago chain store.
They were perfect and I was eating a handful from every load. It was about 100 degrees out. After the first ten I had to puke my guts out. Looked like I lost a lung or had stomach cancer lol.
 

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Inspecting produce at the rail or air or truck head in Chicago gave me access to the finest produce available there. I agree the stuff is not the same now.
Once I had to inspect about thirty piggback loads of bing cherries that were in on Wednesday for a weekend special in July at a major Chicago chain store.
They were perfect and I was eating a handful from every load. It was about 100 degrees out. After the first ten I had to puke my guts out. Looked like I lost a lung or had stomach cancer lol.
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I used to go thru boxes of cherries & would fine large clumps of mold, we called them rats nests.

If I ate that many cherries I would crap like a GOOSE !!!
 

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What made it bad was climbing into and out of 38 to 40 degree piggybacks with a belly full of cold cherries into the beating sun being reflected off the concrete pads, like I said near 100 degrees. Projectile vomiting without alcohol, a first for me.
 

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Have you eaten strawberries in the last few years? Not locally grown, but brought in from the west? They look great, big and sweet looking. Taste like wood or cardboard. Back in the 1970's I was in perishable commodities, many times I had to inspect strawberries flown in from the west due to damage from temperatures and or rough handling. Think about that - they paid air freight to ship strawberries. Yet even then they had problems, with a trip of hours instead of days. There is a reason. Strawberries are very delicate and can't take rough handling nor do they hold up for long transportation times. Or should I say they didn't. Today's strawberries are not the same, they have obviously have been modified or bred to look good and transport well. Just like the tasteless wooden tomatoes from the west. Transport well and look good. Taste like crap. The reason I bring it up is that the NEW strawberries can most likely be picked mechanically as they are much less susceptible to bruising and other damage. Effect on labor and society? Less demand for unskilled manual labor, more people on the breadline [food stamps]. Closer to the breaking point.

The problem is of course that we get a great looking product at good prices that is in all other aspects an inferior product.
Plant City, FL strawberries are the best on the east coast and famous in the state. You can get good tomatoes at Sam's Club.
 

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When I was a teenager, my best friend would go to visit her cousins in Iowa to "de-tassle corn" every year for a number of weeks. She made more than I did at the fast food place I worked and came home with a great tan and a bunch of money. In our little town, you could start a farm job at age 14 and get paid a decent amount so lots of kids did it. My husband's high school would put up sign up sheets for kids who wanted summer work in the corn and soybean fields and there was a scramble to get signed up for those jobs...transportation included. It was considered a "starter job" for young people in the community. Show me a 14 year old who needs their own money these days.
 

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You call that a joke?

You're sense of humor is effed.
If all humor was the same, nothing would be funny. Toughen up, PC's dead.
 

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When I was a teenager, my best friend would go to visit her cousins in Iowa to "de-tassle corn" every year for a number of weeks. She made more than I did at the fast food place I worked and came home with a great tan and a bunch of money. In our little town, you could start a farm job at age 14 and get paid a decent amount so lots of kids did it. My husband's high school would put up sign up sheets for kids who wanted summer work in the corn and soybean fields and there was a scramble to get signed up for those jobs...transportation included. It was considered a "starter job" for young people in the community. Show me a 14 year old who needs their own money these days.
I worked at a dairy farm for 3 years of high school. Once I found farm work I was done washing dishes and delivering papers! Milking cows, mowing greenchop, haying and filling silo's was real work and we got paid pretty well.

The benefits of farm work are with me to this day. You get in fantastic physical condition and you learn how to drive ANYTHING with wheels. I still drive manual transmission cars and trucks whenever I can buy them that way.

Even back in the 80's farm work was too hard for many/most kids. They figured us farm worker kids were crazy.
They had already gone soft back then.

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